BP

I have been hoping for good news out of the Gulf Coast, but of course, there isn’t any. The British Petroleum oil spill remains uncontained and the stain seems to be reaching every level of government. State officials are distracted. The White House sends out mixed signals. It is a mess in the ocean and an equally large mess in Washington.

Not that there are easy solutions. Had Obama stepped in sooner and tried to take over, he probably would have been met with more cries of Socialism and Nationalism from the right. It is upsetting to read the accounts of abuse and neglect by the supposed oversight team at MMS who were literally in bed with the oiul industry they were supposed to regulate. The bureaucracy that is our government let us down this time.

Closer to home, you can kiss offshore oil drilling goodbye. Even Schwarzenegger has distanced himself from his earlier calls of drilling off Santa Barbara. This special State Senate race is going to be interesting in June as the Democrat John Laird tries to stick Republican Sam Blakeslee with the “Big Oil” label.

So we wait for some kind of technological breakthrough. We ring our hands and hear that hollow rhetoric about solar and wind and alternative energy, but when the noise dies down, we remain a nation of oil and coal, all run by big business who takes shortcuts on safety and oversight. A drilling platform in the Gulf Coast. A coal mine in West Virginia. It’s all the same.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration struggles just to convince the public that the White House really, truly, actually is in charge. Really. Obama just got back from New Orlean. The Attorney General is on his way down. The White Hose tries to distance itself from BP and keep the critics under control–especially critics like James Carville in the Democratic Party. The Attorney General is to decide if civil or criminal penalties are warranted against BP. You think?

This analysis by the Washington Post seems to put the situation in perspective quite nicely. read it over and let’s hear what you think. We’ll come back to the topic this week on the radio as well.

Hope everyone had a safe and restful Memorial Day.

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  1. June 1, 2010 at 7:04 am

    And this is the rub for the Obama Administration.On the one hand, yes, this is most certainly a Coal and Oil Nation… and it will remain one for the next 25 years. Talk of going to "alternative energy" and wind and solar replacing coal and oil today or even five years from now is simply not posible with existing technology. So, yes, America is dependent on going to the depths that the Deepwater Horizon went to get at the oil. On the other hand, this tragedy need not of happened. The incestuous relationship between politicians, bureaucrats and the private sector that they monitor has been going on since the founding of this nation. It is not a Bush problem or an Obama problem; it is a problem of the classic quid pro quo that has plagued our political system. No one, not liberal or conservative and not Democrat or Republican, could ever wish for anything like this to have happened. No one enjoys oily beaches or oily animals or huge slicks of oil in the water. But what is the solution? America needs oil. it has been posted here that America consumes 25% of the world's oil but has only 5% of the world's reserves… well, 4% if off-shore drilling is permanently placed off limits. Some have suggested nuclear power. That, too, is a tall order since a Vermont nuke plant recently released radioactive material. Even if it was 100% safe, they still take ten years to build and certify. Another issue plaguing America's constant search for more energy is that everything boils down in the end to NIMBY, not in my backyard. Ted Kennedy personally blocked building of a windmil farm off Nantuckett because he felt it would interfere with his boating. Nevada has persisted in preventing the building the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste site. Enviromentalists come out of the woodwork anytime a waste collection site is proposed. So all these spent fuel rods just sit and linger on the grounds of every nuclear reactor in this nation, even Diablo Canyon. So if there is no off-shore drilling, no additional nuclear power plants built, no viable alternative for at least a decade, then what? We will continue to import oil from the worst dictatorships (Venezuela, Iran, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia come to mind). Or we can continue to scrape it out of the oil sands of Canada causing enviromental issues there. Or we can continue getting it from beleaguered Mexico, who has issues with a dozen or two dead bodies turning up daily due to drug violence or pirates shaking down boaters on the Rio Grande. No quick solutions to our energy needs. I do pray for a speedy end to the oil gusher in the Gulf.

  2. June 1, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    'Political Stupidity': Democrat James Carville Slams Obama's Response to BP Oil SpillDemocratic Strategist Said Obama Should've Acted Quickly: 'We're About to Die Down Here'By JAKE TAPPER and HUMA KHANMay 26, 2010The White House is seemingly making an increased show of pressuring BP, but President Obama is facing political heat from within his own party for what some say has been a lackluster and Naive response to the oil spill in the Gulf.The "political stupidity is unbelievable," Democratic strategist James Carville said on "Good Morning America" today. "The president doesn't get down here in the middle of this. … I have no idea of why they didn't seize this thing. I have no idea of why their attitude was so hands off here." Over the weekend Obama spent 3 hours on the ground at the spill site and then spent 5 hours playing golf. It begs the question is he capable of handling this disaster?

  3. June 1, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Oil companies have been literally poisoning people to death in other countries for decades, one example you can read about in article linked below. Tremendous amounts of exceedingly toxic chemicals are pumped into the earth and waterways of the United States continually.Being one of the oldest industries in the U.S., the oil companies have built a system with the government that gives them unbelievable freedoms and lack of over sights, and laws in their favor, like no other industry, not even the tobacco industry. This spill in the Gulf, as it affects the U.S., is the BEGINNING of karmic balancing and a wake-up call about the devastating and deadly practices oil companies perpetuate through-out the world. Imagine being able to run a nuclear power plant for profit and have little or no effective oversight, as corporate executives continually try to cut up-keep and safety costs and whatever else to maximize short term profits that equal million dollar bonuses to certain employees. We now understand that some of these oil drilling operations—hundreds scattered throughout the world—have the potential to devastate Earth and its people in ways similar to massive radiation leaks and nuclear explosions. The "profits over people" corporate mentality championed in the U.S. in the past 50 years and horribly conceived concepts such as "Reaganomics" are now yielding their inevitable and long-predicted results. I don't know how to effectively post these long internet addresses without them often getting cut off or jumbled. You can just google "Amazonians sue Chevron poison"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/ecuador/6574580/Ecuadors-Amazonians-sue-Chevron-over-poison-waterways.html

  4. June 2, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Okay, we do need to keep into perspective that this is the worst oil spillage in United States history, not the world. This spill is projected to not top the worst spillage ever, which was done by that great humanitarian and all around great guy (according to liberals that thought he was contained) Saddam Hussein. Saddam, at the end of the Gulf War. Here is a link to Forbes 10 worst oil spills of all time. Notice that the Exxon Valdez didn't even make this list, which was the previous worst spill of US history. Furthermore, the Santa Barbara spill only let loose 100,000 barrels of oil. So, yes, the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe is the worst oil spillage in US history by far, and it only continues to get worse. But keep in perspective that this is not a US-only problem. It is a worldwide problem that has happened more because of Iraq and Iran than by the US. We can play the blame game all day long, but the fact remains that this was not the first massive oil spill and if the US cutoff offshore drilling and pumping altogether, it will do NOTHING to stop other nations from doing EXACTLY what we are doing. the main difference is that we will just buy it from them or they will sell every drop to the Chinese who will gladly pay it, no matter what the enviromental price.

  5. June 2, 2010 at 2:24 am

    Perhaps if we had listened to Jimmy Carter back in the 70's this would all be a non issue. Instead we got a Reagan and 30 yrs. of Reaganomics has all but destroyed our middle and working class while ignoring our energy independence to our everlasting peril."What I have to say to you now about energy is simple and vitally important. Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 — never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade — a saving of over 4-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day. Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit. Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel — from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun. I propose the creation of an energy security corporation to lead this effort to replace 2-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day by 1990. The corporation I will issue up to $5 billion in energy bonds, and I especially want them to be in small denominations so that average Americans can invest directly in America's energy security. Just as a similar synthetic rubber corporation helped us win World War II, so will we mobilize American determination and ability to win the energy war. Moreover, I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000. These efforts will cost money, a lot of money, and that is why Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay. It will be money well spent. Unlike the billions of dollars that we ship to foreign countries to pay for foreign oil, these funds will be paid by Americans to Americans. These funds will go to fight, not to increase, inflation and unemployment." Jimmy Carter

  6. June 2, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Oh, Winnie, Winnie, Winnie. You and your delusional anti-Reagan hysteria. Let's look at the points of the worst president of the 20th Century one by one.Point one: "I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 — never…" Typical liberal blather. Just because he says a thing, and this is where Obama needs learn a thing or two, doesn't make it so. there is this body, co-equal with ol' Jimma, and it is called "Congress". Ironically, the Democrat controlled congress never made any of these points the law of the land. Sure they created a toothless, pointless, mandateless Department of Energy, but to what end? There has never ever been a sustained effort to artifically control supplies or demands of commodities that has worked. Obviously, NO ONE was listening to Carter because our oil use per day has hit 20 million per day (CIA Factbook).Point 2: Again, quota just create artifical shortages and jack the prices of the artificially scarce commodity through the roof. Carter experienced his own oil shock because of this. Point 3: Carter says exactly the same things that Obama says today: we are creating an artificial shortage today ( Obama is using Carbon credits as his quota-crating vehicle of choice) and hope for a better way to develop tomorrow. Carter lists several items, I will blow them away like ducks in a barrel: coal (miner deaths, Clinton placing the Escalante Range off limits), from oil shale (even more prohibitatively expensive to get to than off-shore drilling and twice the environmental damage), from plant products for gasohol (aka ethanol… the same ethanol that is causing deforestation, artifical shortages in corn and is only 80% as efficient as gasoline), from unconventional gas (natural gas derived from the same drilling process that blew up the Deepwater Horizon), from the sun (solar is STILL a nacent unproven inefficient means of doing anything other than heating water).Bottom line is that Jimmy Carter was a fiction writer with this press conference. JRR Tolkien did only a marginally better job of writing a fantasy yarn than Carter. Liberal utopian thinking like this is what leads nowhere and tends only to make life hard today and miserable tomorrow.

  7. June 2, 2010 at 6:10 am

    Well said WiseGuy.My solar and wind provide my house and two others with an excess of energy which charges my plug in electric vehicles as well.I haven't paid a utility bill in 7 years and purchase gas once a year for my trips to the track on my bike.

  8. June 2, 2010 at 6:15 am

    If Obama had been on watch while the MMS was turned into an old boys club of insiders and dirty deeds we would sure be hearing about it."She was also asked about Joe Klein's statement that the BP oil spill is actually Bush's second Katrina and after calling Klein a "petty and partisan" and said the argument doesn't hold water since it's month fifteen of the Obama administration and the people at the MMS who are being criticized aren't political appointees but career civil servants. I can't disagree with her about Obama not having cleaned up MMS and continuing too many of Bush's policies after fifteen months, but I'm not sure why she thinks that excuses her ex-boss from putting industry hacks who don't believe in regulation in charge of regulating the oil industry. She then said that no one has proven that deregulation has anything to do with the oil spill. Lastly to add insult to injury she blamed environmentalists for this because they forced the oil industry to go so far offshore.Typical Bushie, deny, distort and deflect. There's a whole lot of blame to go around for this mess but pretending the Bush administration isn't responsible for the policies that led to the disaster is ridiculous. Trust industry to do whatever it wants, we don't need any rules of the road or to opt for safety over production and when things blow up in your face, socialize industry's losses."http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/37431

  9. June 2, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Typical Obamaphyte to wish away their responsibilities and just pblame Bush. 18 months into his presidency and you liberals are STILL trying to blame Bush for everything.newsflash: THIS IS YOUR SHOW NOW.If there was malfeasance in the MMS, then THAT IS SOLELY OBAMA'S ISSUE. Just like 9/11 was to Bush, the lack of oversight of BP, the Deepwater Horizon explosion and resultant oil catastrophy happened on Obama's watch. These are Obama's issues to deal with. Obama campaigned on hope and change to "Bush's failed policies". If this was a "failed Bush policy" then why did Obama agree a week before the explosion to allow further off-shore drilling? Why didn't Obama order Ken Salazar to fire everyone in the MMS, or at least reassign everyone out of that office? he didn't because it wasn't a problem until it becomes a problem… just like the the failure of FEMA to properly respond to Hurricane Katrina, the late, disaffected response by Bush and the catastrophy that lingered on for weeks on end. You can't unwrite the history Obama wrote when he campaigned against this same thing. There is no getting around it: the lack of oversight of BP that led to the Deepwater Horizon explosion and the oil spill is a result of a failure of the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. In that respect, this is Obama's Katrina.

  10. June 2, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Poor ObamaI really think very little of the president, but what can he do?This is not his Katrina, it is his Iranian hostage crisis.Carter could not control the hostage problem but it just kept going on and on and he got the blame, the president has the same problem with the oil spill, the news is even starting the daily broadcasts by saying "day 44 of the crisis"Remember the White House motto, never let a crisis go un-used, so what do you bet they will try to nationalise the BP U.S. assets.

  11. June 3, 2010 at 4:51 am

    When all the oil starts showing up on the pristine white beaches of Pensacola, we should expect the typical anti-Obama extremists and racists to claim that Obama let it happen because he wants to see white beaches transformed into black beaches. The BP spill is a product of failed and non-existent regulations, a corrupt system well-entrenched long before Obama had even entered politics; corruption emboldened by the right-wing doomsday mantra of "Reaganomics" and criminal malfeasance hiding behind the banner of "free market" economics. "Conservatives" are being absurd or disingenuous when they claim to expect that President Obama be like Superman and fly in, cape flapping in the wind, and miraculously cap a spill that eludes the technology of the entire oil industry. It is much wiser to expect that the government put policies in place that PREVENT disasters, rather than expect the government to have a "hands-off" approach until there is a problem and then expect the government to fix it. So typical of "conservatives" like Big Tent REPUBLICAN to promote policies that lead to disasters and then expect a black man to clean it all up for them.Environmentalists warned of the potential for a spill like this years ago but were pushed aside by conservatives who are reckless and greedy in their pursuit of profits over the well-being of people and the environment. As quickly as conservatives try to wipe blood from their hands in Iraq, they find themselves up to their necks in spilled oil, dead fish and birds. The truth is becoming all too clear: the conservative agenda is strangling America and the Republican Party is a front for corruption and criminality on an unprecedented scale.

  12. June 3, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Wrong Guy typical racist projection. Who brought up Obama's race in this case? Wrong Guy.Who said that white beaches be made into black beaches? Wrong GuyWho said that a black guy needs to fly in like superman and fix the problem? Wrong GuyThe ONLY racist on this blog is Wrong Guy aka Wise Guy.

  13. June 3, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Furthermore, no conservative anywhere expects Obama to clean the spill up, period. It is hyperbole beyond ridiculous to even suggest it. What we as AMERICANS expect is for our president TO CARE about the spill. Obama goes down to the gulf (30 minutes worth), in his typically aloof and emotionally distant manner, says some platitudes about bringing wrongdoers to justice and coldly tells everyone what they already know about the economic losses downn in the Gulf Coast. … and then he played golf for three hours. Wow! This is liberal stewardship of the nation? This is "hope and change"? This is supposedly the source of some mandate to nationalize American industries? Corpses are only slightly colder and less emotive than Obama. He makes Mr. Spock seem like a drama queen. You want to say that you like your president to be reserved and calculated; I say he just doesn't give a crap other than how it makes HIM look to the world.Obama is a first-class narcissist and is only concerned about three things: the bus, who gets thrown under it, and ensuring he is not the one getting thrown under that bus.Just ask Reverend Wright.

  14. June 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    How bout we throw some facts into this discussion.BP and the US Government has said they are trying everything possible. oh?Follow the money! The real money is in the use of dispersants.A company called NALCO makes chemical dispersants.NALCO is based in ChicagoNALCO is associated with UChicago Argonne program. UChicago Argonne received $164 million dollars in stimulus funds this past year. UChicago Argonne just added two new executives to their roster. One from NALCO. The other from the Ill. Dept of Educaution.If you dig a little deeper you will find NALCO is also associated with Warren Buffett, Maurice Strong, Al Gore, Soros, Apollo, Blackstone, Goldman Sachs, Hathaway Berkshire.Obama's buddy Warren Buffet of Hathaway Berkshire increased their holdings in NALCO just last November. (Timing is everything).The dispersant chemical is known as Corexit. It is toxic and banned in Europe.There is big money and even bigger players in this scam. While they are letting the oil blow wide open into the Gulf, the stakes and profit rise.All to create a need for their expensive and extremely profitable poison. But that's not all. Goldman-Sachs, Blackstone, and Apollo are all involved in NALCO. So is Tony Rezko in Chicago–the infamous friend of Barack Obama who was convicted for fraud. And multi-millions of dollars of taxpayer-funded 'stimulus funds' went into the coffers of many of the main players in NALCO.BP is in Obama's pocket and Obama is in BP's pocket and while they are linning their pockets with billions, Dolphins, Whales, Manatees, Sea Turtles and fish suffocate and die. The coastal regions, salt marshes, tourist attractions and the shore front properties are being destroyed, possibly permanently.The air quality is diminished. The Gulf of Mexico fishing industry is decimated.the Democratic Party and Barack Obama, who were the single largest beneficiaries of BP campaign contributions over the last 10 years.I dare anyone to factually dispute any of these facts.

  15. June 3, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Well Mr. "Facts", I say that if you don't like the idea of liberals making money from the sale and use of chemical dispersants, then work on preventing chemical spills in the first place. Problem solved. It doesn't take a brainiac to understand that because of a long-standing lack of adequate regulation and because of corruption, toxic catastrophes will be spouting up continually in the United States and beyond.Investing in toxic clean-up systems could be a wise move. Or you could invest in a company like BP instead. Where would the "wise" investor put his money?Why should anyone be surprised Warren Buffet would invest in chemical dispersants or other products used in environmental disasters? I suspect he would have a good handle on the safety conditions and potential equipment failures of drilling operations and nuclear power plants. By the way, do you have ANY idea of the amount and types of extremely toxic chemicals are pumped into the earth routinely in oil drilling operations? And for what purpose? Increasing profit..

  16. June 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    I just love how this latest oil spill catastrophe is inspiring conservatives to demand that President Obama get tougher on addressing environmental problems in the U.S.. Yes sir, environmental clean-up now has bi-partisan support. Too bad that on the conservative side it is mostly white folks demanding that a black man be responsible for cleaning up someone else's mess, wanting President Obama to take on the role of "Janitor-in-Chief" and claiming that he is arrogant or "uppity" for not dropping everything to run to the gulf with a presidential mop in hand.And, as I predicted, we already have members of the tea-party fringe and white supremacist groups claiming Obama is letting the oil continue to spill so that the gulf's white sands will be stained black..A further irony is that we now have "conservatives" unabashedly demanding that the Federal Government be the great savior and fix a problem created in the private sector through free market economics. And who do they want to pay for the clean-up? Taxpayers, naturally..

  17. June 3, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Racist Wrong Guy just can't help being our resident racist on this blog. Why is he the racist when he is talking about "conservatives"? Because NOT ONE Conservative, air quoted or not, has said anything, implied anything, infered anything, hinted at anything, dealing with Obama's race. To my knowledge, Wrong Guy is the ONLY guy on the whole freakin' planet that has even thought in such racist tones. Wrong Guy props up the "conservative" straw man to provide him the cover he needs to be the racist he is at his core. Racist Wrong Guy was also the only guy in the UNIVERSE to believe that Hitler would get 49% of the vote in America. Wrong Guy is the ONLY racist on this blog, period.

  18. June 4, 2010 at 1:59 am

    Links, racist Wrong Guy, links. Provide links to these kooks and fringe element-types that don't represent the mainstream of any American thinking. Otherwise I am calling you a lying, racist Wrong Guy until you do, lying racist Wrong Guy.

  19. June 4, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Today polls revealed that 59% are disgusted with Obama and how he is bungling the oil disaster.How do you think it will go when that oil spills until late August and beyond.If he wanted Obama couldn't have handled this any worse. Here is some advice for him even though his ego won't let him do any…so he will suffer in the polls.1) Fire Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar 2) Fire Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano3) Fire Attorney General Eric Holder4) Support Arizona's new illegal Mexican law and close the border tight.5) Clean house at the corrupt Census Bureau6) Admit to election crimes and Fire everyone involved including Rhom Emmanuel.7) Apologize to the American people for the nightmare he created in the last 16 months.8) Cut all federal spending by 50% and cut taxes.He won't, of course, do any of these but then his poll numbers have dropped every day for the past 3 months. So be it.

  20. June 4, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I'd love for us to get off of foreign oil or any oil but just look at the list of things we cannot do because of environmentalists or just common sense.Windmills – kills birds and effects wildlife natural migratory patterns. Like Big Tent said: Not in my backyard attitude Creates a low frequency sound and the fan blades create a strobe effect which effects humans and animals who lives near by. Solar – effects wildlife and ruins the view (Mohave Desert) Diane Feinstein.Ethanol – puts more pollutants into the air to make than gas does in current cars. Destroyed millions of animals by cutting down the rain forests in order to plant corn. Fires to burn the rain forest to clear the land put more pollutants into the air.Everything has a cost; to our environment, to humans and to wildlife. Seems no one wants to make that hard decision because their political future depends upon the outcome. Or the law suits to stop any potential wind farm or solar farm. This oil spill would not have been such an problem if it were in shallow water or on land. No matter if the USA stops all off shore drilling in our waters; we cannot stop other countries from drilling at mile 201 and drilling under the ocean floor toward the USA. I keep hearing from the Dems that the Republicans cannot agree amongst themselves. Well, I think it's more like the Dems cannot agree. It's "let's do solar" NO NO NO. "let's do wind" NO NO NO "let's do ???" NO NO NO

  21. June 4, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    I must admit that I have never been a big fan of Obama. That said let me also say this.Where is that positive, motivated, fired up, honest, charismatic uniter and voice of hope and change we saw in the election? Please don't tell me the far right wing nuts are right and it was "all an act to get elected". I don't want to believe that. I really don't.President Obama is angry. His brisk demeanor while giving a speech at Carnegie-Mellon University a few days ago signaled that loud and clear. No cute remarks, no comic relief—just straight-ahead knives directed at the oil companies and the Republican party. That's not what a real leader does…is it? Really? A talking head on TV news this morning said "Since the oil spill began President Obama has spent more time on the "golf course than on the "gulf coast". What bothered me, beyond the partisan snap, was that she was right. Now come on folks…we all know that's not what being president is all about.Something has to happen and fast. The oil gusher may take as along as mid to late August to fully cap. We have precious beaches and animals and a wonderful ecology and coast line to worry about. The Obama administration seems completely unqualified and they must step aside. Obama just doesn't have the experience in leadership nor in the administration of national efforts to save a coastal ecology and economy, that much is clear.Step aside Mr. President. An ego is the last thing we need now.

  22. June 4, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    How embarrassing it is to look back at Sarah Palin and the other Republican politicians who were chanting "drill,baby,drill" over and over again at the 2008 convention. I'm sure Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisisana and Gov. Haley Barber of Mississippi were in the audience at the time, stupidly chanting that mantra. I wonder what those two jackasses think about "drill,baby,drill", now that their costal areas are being covered with oil? Remember when Reagan said the 9 most feared words in the english language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"? Do you remember that statement Reagan lovers? You morons need to remember this is the attitude you subscribed to when you blindly allowed that demented, old, Hollywood actor to hijack the Republican party. Now you same morons are bad mouthing President Obama because the government isn't "doing enough". That stupid bitch, Rep. Michelle Bachman-R, even made a speech that our government "was nowhere to be found" until days after the blow out. Fact is, the U.S. Coast Guard was on scene only 3 hours after the blow out. This is the perfect example of the giant hypocracy and dishonesty of the modern Republican party. It is shameful and embarrassing how many times history and facts has confirmed Reagan and his ideas to be tragically flawed.

  23. June 4, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Here's the address of an article that lists the politicians to receive the largest donations from BP – http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/06/bp-campaign-donations-obamaThe list is heavily loaded by Republicans. This would explain why the GOP has yet to level any earnest criticism of BP.You'll notice that the list is topped by President Obama. This could explain both why he pushed for increased offshore drilling during his campaign and presidency and why he has allowed BP to try to salvage the well instead of blowing it up, although I've heard conflicting theories on whether that approach would be effective at stopping the leak. Nonetheless, the fact that he received the most money from BP of any other politician makes the fact that he's instituted a criminal investigation on them encouraging. We'll just have to keep a close eye on how he and the Republicans hold BP accountable from here on out.

  24. June 5, 2010 at 6:49 am

    How typically hypocritical of Republicans. The GOP is so bankrupt in leadership and constructive ideas, that when confronted with an industrial, private-sector, free-market rooted disaster, they have nothing productive to offer, but instead whine and cry out for big government to rush in and, at taxpayers expense, solve the problem. That wouldn't be so bad, but at the same time they cry out for Big Daddy Obama to save their butts, they turn around and bad mouth him. The corrupt Republican world is crumbling all around, the festering rot has come to the surface so clearly, and the insanity of the Republican agenda is more obvious than ever. I don't recall the Democrats truly expecting or demanding George Bush help them with anything. All they wanted was the Republican leadership to get their hands off and stay away, knowing that everything he touched turned to crap. And you know what, I bet the Bushes, or Cheney somehow had their hands in this mess with BP and that platform long before Obama took office. If this spill happened on Bush's watch, I would be demanding that Bush don't go anywhere near the Gulf and that he fire his entire administration and resign. No way would I be complaining that George Bush was "too distant" or "too uninvolved" with the clean-up operation. .

  25. June 5, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    If the Obama Admnistration is so competent and so mush better equipped to handle this emergency than the previous administration, why is this administration not assisting Bobby Jindal in building the barrier berms his state has requested to keep the oil out of the precious Lousiana marshlands?Why, liberals, why?Why, conservationists, has Obama's administration allowed BP to keep the well? Everything that has gone on has been to syphon the oil off the broken pipe, not seal it. Bill Mahrer asked why the DoD doesn't just lower a 5,000lbs bomb (they might need a Daisy Cutter calibre bomb), collapse the hole and be done with it. Well from JD it looks like we have our answer: Obama has been paid not to.

  26. June 5, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Truth be known, Obama doesn't care about fishermen or the coastline or even the worst oil disaster in US history…All he wants is to NOT waste this crisis and use it to take over the oil industry. He hasn't made an emotional connection with the American people because he doesn't care about the American people. All he wants is more power and a bigger government. He is easy to figure out now.Each day oil continues to spew into the Gulf of Mexico, investors are shaving billions of dollars off of BP's value and raising the uncomfortable prospect of the British oil giant collapsing into the arms of the U.S. government as Wall Street and the auto industry did.A grassroots campaign called Seize BP is protesting in more than 50 cities from Thursday through Saturday. And a former labor secretary has urged President Obama to take over BP, at least temporarily, until the oil spill is stopped.Watch Obama's actions and listen carefully to what he says. You'll see that he really doesn't care about anyone or thing except himself. That is why he failing. It can't be disputed any longer.

  27. June 5, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Polls show that around 14 per cent of those who voted for Obama in 2008 now disapprove of his performance and the heavy turnout of young people and black voters among the 69 million who backed him will not be repeated again. Many Latinos are coming home to the conservative party.I hate to say it but everything Obama touches turns to crap and even his own voters know it. 900+ more days to go. By then his approval ratings (partially forced lower by his bungling of the oil crisis) will be in the teens

  28. June 6, 2010 at 4:31 am

    Wasn't the Department of Energy created 40 years ago to get us off oil????

  29. June 6, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Anon…we will NEVER be off oil. Ever. It's just a ploy for the Obamadrones to grab more power through the EPA.

  30. June 7, 2010 at 5:40 am

    drill, baby, drill……drill,baby,drill…..drill,baby,drill…..Remember the taunt and the anger and arrogance of the Republican Convention in 2008? Remember the distain and scorn Republican Govenors of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi have had for the Federal government since we elected a Democratic President? Remember all the dumb-shit Republicans who hollered that the private sector can regulate themselves and the Federal government can't manage anything as well as private companies? You assholes repeated this false premise over and over again as recently as the health care debate. Now you want to claim it's up to Obama to come in and save BP's and little Bobby Jindal's ass. Do you people have that short of a memory or are you just really stupid?

  31. June 7, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    The problem here for Mr. Obama is that, almost 18 months after assuming office, he still seems to regard himself as something of an intellectual critic of government, when, in fact, what Americans expect from him now is markedly different. The transition is long behind us, which means the president embodies the government he once assailed and is held accountable, fairly or not, for its failures.The disconnect was on vivid display during Mr. Obama’s news conference late last month, when, despite professing full responsibility for his administration’s response to the leak, he referred several times to what the “federal government” was doing, as if he himself were merely a disappointed spectator like the rest of us. He railed coolly against the “cozy and sometimes corrupt relationship” between oil companies and the government, despite the fact that his administration had been governing for more than a year. And he seemed unbothered admitting to reporters that he didn’t know whether his own director of the Minerals Management Service had been fired or resigned.By the time the president spoke again at the White House and then revisited the gulf on Friday, he seemed genuinely enraged at BP. The writer in him, perhaps, sensed that the oil from a snapped-off pipe on the ocean floor might yet come to signify something deeper about his administration. But chaos-weary Americans no longer needed him to share their outrage at the leak. They needed him to finally shut it off.

  32. June 7, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    A new CBS/Washington Post poll show that 69% of Americans think the governments response to the oil spill is worse that the governments response to Katrina.Wow!You can't spin this anymore folks.

  33. June 7, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Mr. Fact please provide link to the "poll" you speak of. I went to the CBS news and the only poll I saw there said that 63% of those polled said that the federal government should be doing more to stop the spill and that 70% said BP should be doing more. There were no "polls" listed where respondents were asked to compare spill response to Katrina response. Provide your link or the rest of us will assume you are not Mr. Facts but Mr. Facts-challenged. I'm just going to assume you are another one of those idiot Wing-nuts who never comfirm the lies they hear from Rush and then stupidly parrott his lies.

  34. AbC
    June 7, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Media/poll-bp-oil-spill-rated-worse-katrina-criminal-charges/story?id=10846473Google search "cbs washington post poll katrina oil spill"it was the first page. Please tell me you were kidding. My 7 year old daughter found it!

  35. June 8, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Just as I thought Mr. Facts-Don't-Matter, this poll is not how you represented it. The poll respondents were not asked to directly compare the government's response to the spill versus Katrina. What the news story did was compare a poll taken now, over a month after this spill began, to a poll that was taken about Katrina ONLY 2 WEEKS AFTER THE HURRICANE!! To further illustrate how dishonest your claim is Mr. I-Don't-Care-About-Facts, the respondents rated spill response unsatisfactory 69% to 62% for Katrina two weeks after the hurricane, close enough to be a statistical tie base on the small amount of people polled. This is not an apples to apples comparision, once again Mr. Fiction, Rush Fox Hannity lied to you again and you stupidly repeated the lie.This is why I left the party long ago when the Liars, Morons and Crooks took over the GOP……Drill,Baby,Drill….Drill,Baby,Drill….Drill,Baby,Drill….Drill,Baby,Drill…..Hey, Dave, you should book an appearence by one of those obnoxious guys from S.O.S, Save Our Seas, so they can explain again how drilling offshore will help protect the environment.

  36. June 8, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    How George Bush, Joe Barton, Dick Cheney and Tom DeLay Caused the Gulf Oil Spill and Made Sure BP Will Never Be Held AccountableDoes everyone remember Dick Cheney's "National Energy Task Force"? The one where meetings were held in secret, and energy policy was set by the foxes in charge of the henhouse? Yeah, I figured you might.The Center for American Progress has connected the dots between this task force, the Bush Administration energy policies, and Tom DeLay's leadership in the House of Representatives to paint a straight line right back to Cheney & Co. I don't agree with the conclusion of "Cheney's Katrina", so how about we call it "Cheney's Oil Apocalypse" instead?Setting the stage – May, 2001Cheney's secret task force releases a 170-page harbinger of death under the title "National Energy Policy" (PDF). One of the pillars of their report is California's supposed energy crisis, helped along by the likes of Enron.. The NEPD Group recommends that the President direct the Secretaries of Commerce and Interior to re-examine the current federal legal and policy regime (statutes, regulations, and Executive Orders) to determine if changes are needed regarding energy-related activi- ties and the siting of energy facilities in the coastal zone and on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS). The NEPD Group recommends that the President direct the Secretary of the Interior continue OCS oil and gas leasing and approval of exploration and development plans on predictable schedules. Act One – The Administration compliesFirst, the SAFE Act is introduced in the House in 2001. It provides for the following (quotes from CAP post):Taxpayer funds to reimburse oil companies for the costs of complying with the National Environmental Policy Act (Sec. 6234) A suspension of royalties on tens of millions of barrels of oil produced in the Gulf of Mexico—especially from deepwater wells like the one now spewing into the gulf (Sec. 6202) Opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling—with expedited leasing, limited judicial review, and lip service to environmental concerns (Div. F, Title V) Check off one set of recommendations, though it took Cheney and Big Oil until 2003 to get it to a conference committee. Just after the midterms, Republicans guided the bill through the House, with DeLay twisting arms as needed. With Democrats safely in the minority, the conference committee was able to exempt all oil and gas construction activities from the Clean Water Act, force BLM lease approvals within 10 days, grant unprecedented authority to the Department of Interior to fast-track permits, and allocate $2 billion for oil companies to drill in ultra deepwater areas. In 2004 a second legislative assault on our coastlines was mounted. This time Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) worked with DeLay to get a bill through the House with the assistance of oilman-turned-lobbyist Andrew Lundquist and Abramoff crony Stephen Griles.CAP reports:One of the worst elements of what has come to be known as the “Dick Cheney energy bill” had a direct role in eliminating the kind of regulatory oversight that may have prevented the blowout of BP’s Mississippi Canyon 252 well on April 20 of this year. Section 390 of the legislation dramatically expanded the circumstance under which drilling operations could forego environmental reviews and be approved almost immediately under so-called “categorical exclusions” from the National Environmental Policy Act.There you go. Fast-track approvals by waiving environmental reviews and granting "categorical exclusions". In other words, tell the oil companies like BP that it's totally okay to ride their iron horses out to the wild coastal frontier without regard for safety or environmental damage.Worth noting: BP liked those categorical exclusions so much they were lobbying as late as April of this year for more of them.

  37. June 8, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Other gifts to the oil industry included in the Cheney Energy Bill:Permanent permit exemptions granted to all oil and gas construction activities for roads, drill pads, pipeline corridors, refineries and compressor stations required under the Clean Water Act. Exempted oil companies from paying royalties on oil produced from deepwater wells. Created a special exception to the Safe Drinking Water Act for the "hydraulic fracturing process". As CAP notes, this process was invented by Halliburton. Mandated a federally-funded study to identify ways that legislation, regulations and local zoning laws impeded development of existing leases and unexplored oil reserves. Limited states' voice with regard to projects affecting their coastlines. This also included limiting court action with respect to offshore oil development. Reinstated lapsed leases due to nonpayment of royalties and rents. Transferred mineral rights of national seashores to private ownership or Texas state ownership in order to allow oil companies to drill under them. Act Three – It is finishedOn August 8, 2005, George W. Bush signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law. On October 22, 2007 Randall B. Luthi, Wyoming attorney, Cheney cohort and new director of MMS signed a "Finding of No New Significant Impact" (PDF) with regard to Lease Sale 206, also known as the Deepwater Horizon. This finding was the last barrier for BP to cross before plunging equipment 5000 feet under the ocean's surface, using Halliburton fracture techniques to open the well, and beginning the flow of oil which ends as an environmental and economic disaster to Gulf inhabitants. No significant impact, indeed.Stay tuned for scenes from next yearIt's unclear how the Cheney Energy Act will play out in the legal morass yet to come. What we should expect are many challenges by BP lawyers to any effort to claim damages under the Clean Water Act (given the exemptions) as well as challenges for liability beyond cleaning up the spill. But whatever happens, dear viewers, know this: The responsible parties are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Joe Barton, and Tom DeLay.

  38. June 8, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    BTW abC, when I'm asked to look at a "CBS/Washington Post Poll", I think it is resonable to think you will find the "poll" on the CBS News web-site. Turns out that CBS News had nothing to do with this "poll", my bad for listening to Mr. Wrong Facts. I will give your 7 year old daughter for finding the information by going to the wrong site listed. Maybe your 7 year old daughter read the news story and can explain to you that Mr. I-Lie-About-Facts, was wrong when he said, "69% of Americans think the government's response to the oil spill is worse that the government's response to Katrina". Most 7 year olds have enough common sense and reading comprehension to see Mr. Zero Facts lied about the news story. Drill,Baby,Drill.

  39. June 8, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Unfortunately, I think the issues are a little more complex than many of you think.Big Tent asked “why is this administration not assisting Bobby Jindal in building the barrier berms his state has requested to keep the oil out of the precious Lousiana marshlands?”Well, first off, the administration has authorized the building of the berms and BP has been ordered to pay the $350 million cost. However, there are a few problems with the berm project. 1) The experts aren’t too confident it will help because it will take 9 months to complete, they think it may just deflect the oil up the coast and it is anticipated that even a minor storm will ruin the berms. 2) The experts are worried the shifting of sand concentrations may cause unintended harm to the environment. 3) BP assumes no liability for any harm caused by the berm project because they have been ordered to build it.Many of you, myself included, have wondered why Obama doesn’t just seize the well from BP and blow it up? But again, experts in the field (Google it) aren’t confident in this option and fear that, if it doesn’t work, it may cause the well leak to be unstoppable.I think the sad truth is that our drilling technology has surpassed our leak stopping technology. With that in mind, I think it would only be sensible to place a moratorium on all off-shore drilling unless there are proven measures at the ready for stopping a worst-case scenario like this. Many of you, like Big Tent, argue against a moratorium on off-shore drilling. However, your arguments are based on the fallacy that offshore drilling somehow decreases our reliance on foreign oil. The fallacy is that the oil drilled from the coasts of the U.S. is consumed by the U.S. In fact, there is no guarantee that the oil drilled off of our coasts will be consumed here because these oil companies are transnational corporations – often foreign companies, like BP – who put the oil they drill up for bid on the international market. So, arguing that offshore drilling reduces our dependence on foreign oil makes no sense when the oil drilled off of our coasts often is sold by a foreign company and consumed in a foreign country. And, in the meantime, our coasts are destroyed. We have to stop allowing our coasts to be raped and pillaged by companies, foreign and domestic, who have no interest in our country’s well-being.

  40. June 8, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, confusing facts and outright lying along with it's "Bush and Cheney's fault" proves only two things.1) The emperor really does NOT have any clothes2) They have lost the debate.When Maureen Dowd, David Brooks, Jon Stewart and Bill Maher start attacking Obama the fight to help prop him up is over.

  41. June 8, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Okay, so maybe Mr Facts didn't get the fact exactly right, but he wasn't far off.Here is a poll from Investor's Business Daily/TIPP reports that 52% of Americans are giving Obama poor grades on how he is handling the spill. Additionally, when it comes to presidential leadership, the poll has Obama with only 23% of Americans approving of how he is handling the oil spill. (That's actually 77% of Americans disapporiving of how he is handling the spill; Bush numbers for certain)Now you have Obama saying infantile things like he wants to find "an ass to kick" over the oil spill. Now, I'm sure you liberals have re-wrote your history to forget your ire over this, but isn't this EXACTLY the same worthless, phony bravado that you all bitched and moaned about when Bush told the terrorists to "bring it on"?Of course it is, but then again you all are too sychophantic, to blinded by hate and delusion, to see that Obama is no different than Bush, period.

  42. June 8, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Obama proves day in and day out he's incompetent. Everything he touches turns to a disaster.

  43. June 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    No BTR, Mr. Wrong Facts was way off, he used a lie to make a point. Like you are right now. This is the problem with Wing-nuts, you live in this fantasy world were real facts don't matter. Do you think Mr. Fiction would address why he used a lie to try and make a political point? Do you think Mr. Fiction will admit that he just repeated a worthless lie he heard from the right-wing echo machine? Of course not, because people like him live in a world where they never admit fault and never let facts sway them from their failed dogma. They are too insecure and weak to admit when they have been found to be wrong. Just like you BTR, look at you trying to change the Drill,Baby,Drill subject. You know the reason people critcised Bush for his "bring it on" comment because it was an invitation for terrorists to attack our troups in the field. Easy for Bush to say "bring it on" when he wasn't in uniform and none of his family was serving. It's like when Bush and his Father supported the Vietnam War, but he refused to volunteer to fight in it. So many of these tough Wing-nuts had a chance to go eyeball to eyeball with those hated Commies and they found a way to avoid service. Guys like Cheney, Buchanan, Limbaugh, Ginghrich, Delay, Rove…..All tough guys who refused to fight when they had the golden opportunity to get after those hated Commies. No they sat back and let others fight the war they supported, and then later they mocked someone like John Kerry for his war service record……"Bring it on"…hollow words from a coward who lets others do his fighting……Drill,Baby,Drill, BTR.

  44. June 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Thank God for Bobby Jindal being on the job and solving huge issues for us.Why does Obama stop him sort at every corner?Much like in yesterday's elections, when politicians want help they call Bill Clinton. Let Bobby work with Clinton. Together they can handle this oil disaster.

  45. June 9, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Dave, why are you letting personal attacks back on your blog? I thought you firm on that rule.These attacks are desperate in nature. Desperate.Reconsider.

  46. June 10, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Has anyone noticed that this is no longer being called "The B.P. Oil Spill", but is referred to by the media as "The Gulf Oil Spill" as if the Gulf was responsible for the millions of barrels that have erupted from the bottom of the ocean. Does anyone believe that the millions of dollars BP has been spending on advertising has had no effect on how the media has been portraying the Gulf disaster? Everything that has been done by BP has always been about what is best for BP, nothing, no one else matters, period. To state it another way, the extension of Reaganomics to its most extreme.

  47. June 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I heard Jeff Bliss on your show yesterday Dave, and he claimed he didn't know if it was a Republican or Democratic politician who called S.C. canidate for Governor Nikki Haley, a "raghead". I'd just like you to know that it was Republican S.C. State Senator Jake Knotts who called her a "raghead" and to paraphrase his quote, "we already have a raghead in the whitehouse, we don't need one in our Governor's mansion". So it was a Republican who not only called Nikki Halely a "raghead" but he also called President Obama and "raghead". I know Wing-nuts like Jeff, aren't aware of the orgin of this slur is because Fox News didn't spread it around 24-7 like they would have done if a Democratic figure had said something similarily stupid and hateful. If Fox News doesn't tell people like Jeff what to think then they can't figure out how to gather and process information on their own. Next time Jeff Bliss should do a modicum of research with respected news organizations before he comes on your show. Additionally I found it hypocritical of Jeff that he claimed the Federal government should have been more involved in the spill from the start of it. Jeff should be aware the U.S. Coast guard was on-site only 3 hours after the blow-out and has been there ever since. Jeff must not have any respect for the Coast Guard as a Federal agency I also find it Hypocritical for free-market Jeff, who has always advocated the wonders of regulation-free private enterprise, to now advocate that Obama should have socialized the oil-spill from day one and had the government take over the well and the spill. Imagine what Glen Beck and Fox news would have said if the President had taken over the well right after the spill? If you take Jeff's idea to it's logical conculsion, then the government should just take over all oil rigs. If Jeff is going to hold the Federal government responsible for cleaning up all oil spills, then the government should reap the profits from the production of the rigs and insure they are operated in a safe manner so they don't blow out in the first place. Jeff Bliss is more of a Socialist when it comes to oil production than President Obama.

  48. June 10, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    "ACLU chief 'disgusted' with Obama" – Josh Gerstein-Politico June 09, 2010The top official at the American Civil Liberties Union seems to be losing patience with President Barack Obama and his administration.Speaking at a conference of liberal activists Wednesday morning, ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero didn't mince his words about the administration's handling of civil liberties issues."I'm going to start provocatively … I'm disgusted with this president," Romero told the America's Future Now breakout session."It’s 18 months and, if not now, when? Guantanamo is still not closed. Military commissions are still a mess. The administration still uses state secrets to shield themselves from litigation. There’s no prosecution for criminal acts of the Bush administration. Surveillance powers put in place under the Patriot Act have been renewed. If there has been change in the civil liberties context, I frankly don’t see it."A White House spokesman declined to comment. But a former White House counsel Greg Craig blasted the ACLU last year over a newspaper ad the group took out which showed Obama morphing into Bush.I would like to see one of you libs explain this one away or blame it on Bush/Cheney, or right wing nuts…anyone willing to try?

  49. June 11, 2010 at 2:45 am

    No, no, no, Bob, It is where the spill happened not who did it. BP could have done the spill in the North Sea since they do drill there. But no, it happened in the Gulf of Mexico hence the name. You leftists are stretching to create some sort of conspiracy or linkage between Reagan and this oil spill. The man has been dead for a long, long time now. Why can't you just get over yourself and let the man be? Besides, your man Obama has done everything in his power to overturn every good that Reagan ever accomplished so you should be happier right now, right? Nope. You're the same miserable pathetic man now that you were when Bush was president. The only connection I can see is that you are just a miserable, pathetic man. Your problem, not mine. Have a Happy Friday… if you can.

  50. June 11, 2010 at 3:33 am

    On the subject of "Drill, baby, drill" the answer is obvious: we need to keep drilling while improving responses to such disasters. The fact remains uncontested: off-shore drilling, when properly executed, is safe. If it wasn't overall safe to drill offshore, these rigs would be popping off like Roman Candles. But they're not. This is the first oil spill of this magnitude. Exxon-Valdez was a dropped quart of oil by comparison. Yes, the potential damage of such a leak as the Deepwater Horizon is enormous. This is why the monitoring needs to be better and free of collusion between the government and the oil industry. Also, the response capabilities of the oil industry and the government needs to get better. But to say that offshore drilling is inherently bad because of one catastrophy is alarmist in the extreme. If we used that logic with inherently dangerous activities, we would not of landed a man on the moon after the Apollo 1 disaster, would have cancelled the Space Shuttle after the Challenger explosion, would have ended rail and car production after the first wrecks of each and would have grounded all air travel permanently after 9/11. These activities are dangerous, sure. The damages to the environment are great; of course. But to say that we need to stop offshore drilling altogether would be a rash, self-destructive and unnecessary act. Only someone in favor of a cradle-to-grave nannystate or someone with the ulterior motive of ruining America's economy by attacking the oil production of America would be in favor of halting offshore oil production.And why is there a need for the Deepwater Horizon in the first place? It is because states (and their eco-communist allies) with their NIMBY attitudes, have forced drilling further and further and further out to sea. With slant drilling and other techniques, oil companies could get to the oil without going nearly a mile down to get it.

  51. June 11, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    It's obvious Big Tent REPUBLICAN knows little or nothing about the oil industry and has never even been on an oil rig. And notice that in lieu of facts, as usual, Big Tent resorts to being incredibly rude, childish and insulting as his emotions, as usual, carry him over the line of decency. Does he actually believe that he is advancing his "cause" with these petty tirades?I believe he owes Bob an apology. Make that about a thousand apologies. .But instead, he will likely use this opportunity to insult me. Same ol', same ol'. ..

  52. June 11, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    "Incompobamatence" — (latin/Kenyan root, Noun) –1. Excercising an obsessive effort to look capable and statesmanlike while floundering around in ineptitude and indecisiveness2.Desperately attempting to sound tough and Presidential.3. Taking a bad situation and acting swiftly to make it worse.4. Claiming to be a messianic speaker yet never speaking without a teleprompter.5. It's all Bush's fault.

  53. June 11, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    A history lesson for you BTR, NASA suspended manned space flight tests for a year after the Apollo disaster that killed 3 Astronaunts. NASA, in their wisdom, took that year to determine the causes and events that led to the deaths so they could institute new safety measures. This is what smart people do BTR, after a problem becomes evident they find out what caused the problem so they can make sure it dosen't happen in the future. The way NASA handled that situation directly contradicts the way the Drill,Baby,Drill crowd wants to go right back to business as usual and lift the Presidents drilling moratorium. BTR, do you think we right now have the full picture of what caused the blow-out on the Deep-water Horizon? Do we have regulations in place, right this instant, that will prevent a similar disaster? Right this instant, do we have a government agency that is fully prepared to enforce those regulations on the oil companies? Educate me BTR, tell me what caused the blow out and the regulations that will prevent it from happening again and what government agency is going to enforce the regulations and their enforcement plans. Please tell me BTR, because I haven't heard little Bobby Jindahl or Halely Barber, or any of the other Wing-nuts who have whined about the 6 month off-shore drilling moratorium tell me what happened and how we will keep it from happening again. You are a Drill,Baby,Drill-Right now, Guy..please tell me how we can go back to drilling right this instant without additional safeguards or regulations that will prevent a similar incident from happening again. Drill,Baby,Drill.

  54. June 11, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Wise Guy:Here is what BTR knows about the oil industry and it's what you all need to know.1) There will ALWAYS be drilling in the gulf of Mexico. The drilling will NOT be using American leases and thus no revenues will be paid to The gulf states. 10's of thousands of Americans will be out of work. Oil rigs are already leaving the gulf coast. 2) Although renewable green energy is a noble dream it will not be realized for 5 to 7 decades and only at enormously higher costs to tradition oil and nuclear.3) Because Enviro-statists forced offshore drilling further out and deeper at sea this catastrophic oil disaster is happening now. At 200 feet the oil leak could have been repaired in less than a week.4) The gulf coast will ecologically die as a result of this spill and it will take up to 30-75 years before the beaches and the ocean life are fully restored.5) The state of Louisiana, her people and businesses as well as possibly others states will not financially survive this oil disaster. Fishing and oil are their largest sources of economic vitality. Commercial fishing is dead on the coast for decades. Ask ANY expert.6) BP will eventually file for bankruptcy (they are already planning for it) and sell it's assets only (according to international bankruptcy laws) to China or Venezuela who will start drilling immediately in the gulf. The bankruptcy will end up in international courts for a decade testing if they can go bankrupt and in the mean time "we the people" will be picking up the economic tab on the gulf coast.7) Obama will not survive this disaster. He will be replaced in 2012. Even though he is not 100% responsible. he did tell America he was in charge and the responsibility was his. America will take him at his word.Politics aside…This will be this nations largest and most economically devastating disaster in our history. Far more damage than if a nuclear bomb had been dropped there.

  55. June 11, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    There is a difference here that needs to be explained.That is the difference between "responsibility" and "accountability". BP is responsible for this disaster. They are the ones that owned the rig, commissioned the drilling, and didn't use proper safety techniques that led to the disaster.Obama is accountable for the government response. He said he is in charge and fully engaged. He has taken the mantle of accountability on himself with his words. Therefore, while the diaster is not of Obama's making, the voters will hold Obama to account for his actions.As for Apollo and Challenger, these were ONE YEAR long moritoriums on space flight. You eco-communists are seeking to turn the moritorium into an outright ban. You may not have the courage to say this openly but this is ultimately what you want. China, Cuba and Venezuela will not stop drilling for oil the Gulf but you will force America, the most technilogically advanced nation with the best oversight capability, to stop.It is wrong and foolish, but it is what you want.

  56. June 12, 2010 at 12:55 am

    And the latest news from the Gulf is that the Obama Administration lied (again) on the extent of the oil spillage. A panel of scientists produced a report that Ken Salazar altered (i.e. lied) to support the political decision to put in place the 6-month moritorium that people on this blog have championed. This administration lied when they said they were closing Gitmo, they lied about the costs of ObamaCare and that no one would lose their existing insurance (when that was the plan at the start), they have lied about global warming and backed the lies of the global warming "scientists" that lied about temperatures increasing when they are in fact decreasing, and lied when they said that they would not raise taxes (letting the Bush tax cuts expire, no matter who it impacts, is a tax increase). Obama camapaigned on having the most open and transparent adminstration ever. The only openness that this adminstration has is an open hostility to the private sector in all its forms and industries. The only transparency that the Obama Administration is can actually claim is how transparent their lies are.

  57. June 12, 2010 at 1:44 am

    President Obama is not the issue. The negligence at the root of the oil spill is a repudiation of the entire corporate, take-no-responsibility, the-buck-stops-nowhere, profit-trumps-morality, million-dollar-bonus version of fascism that has become the American "system." Or, as my Jamaican brothers would say, the "shitstem." President Obama is lucky enough to be presiding when the system disintegrates under its own weight, when the whole crap-house goes up in flames. You think it is a simple coincidence that the oil industry in broadest terms has come to represent the face of evil and environmental destruction in America? Now we have this environmental disaster of immeasurable proportions. If this isn't the biggest "I told you so" moment in history, I don't know what is.President Obama can't fix it. The problem runs much deeper than the black crude bleeding under the sea. The root of the problem is a disease that has reached the marrow of our people. In other terms, it is simple disrespect for Mother Nature; an ungratefulness for what nature is to man. It is EVERYTHING. Nature equals GOD. It is our sustenance. But we rip at its tit with filthy, greedy, claws and suck with a nasty, toothy self-centered recklessness. I would wager that never on the Deep Water Horizon oil rig was a prayer thought or spoken, thanking God and the Earth for the bounty they would suck from that undersea breast. We can pretend that Earth and Nature are not sacred, but it's a lie, and we are entering an age of truth like never before. Those on their dharmic path will proceed increasingly swiftly and powerfully on their upward evolution.Those who run counter will be propelled equally as strongly but to a much less pleasant reckoning. We are watching this before our eyes. The cow sacrifices to give us everything to sustain us: milk, cheese, butter. Yet, with no respect, no blessings, no apologies, no prayers, no common sense, we slaughter her and ignore her suffering, so we can devour her flesh and guts even when we have no hunger and our cupboards are overflowing.What truly is sacred in this world, if not nature? The oil industry and our government have long been conjoined in sin. America can have an oil industry that is holy, but only when that industry and our people realize at a more evolved level that nature is sacred and must be treated as such. It gives and we receive, but first we bow our heads and pull back our filthy claws and crude attitudes. .

  58. June 12, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Tent: What you and the other conservatives just can't seem to grasp is how the BP oil volcano gusher is the logical progression of the mantra put forth by the patron saint of the right, Ronald Reagan; meaning, government isn't here to protect the citizens from unscrupulous businesses, that government oversight is a burden on the bottom line of running a business, and the competition of "free markets" will solve all problems, correct any situations …. at least that is the fantasy you all seem to espouse.Back here in the land of reality however, the truth about how the disaster happened is deeply rooted in the culture of the attempts by the Bush/Cheney Administration's push to deregulate, remove any and all oversight, eliminate inspections when possible, and diminish penalties to less than a slap on the wrist. Would you believe that the MMS accepted a report from BP on the possible impacts of a large spill that claimed there would be little impact on walruses? The report linked to here seems to be simply a reprint of the report BP filed for their Alaska adventure; the true extent of how insidious the reach of the Bush Administration is can be illustrated by how former political appointees were reclassified as civil service employes which means that they cannot be fired without cause, so those in such agencies as Mineral Management Services who accepted the report from BP that not only claimed that walruses, sea otters, sea lions and seals wouldn't be harmed, but also ignored the possibility that there could be a major impact if the oil gets into the Gulf Stream and then start running up the eastern seaboard, fouling the coast from the tip of Florida all the way up to Maine and even continuing to Greenland, Iceland and on to Europe. Yeah, this is the result of Reaganomics, the mantra of deregulation, and the planned incompetence of the Bush/Cheney Administration.

  59. June 12, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Has Wrong Guy gone off the "mother gaia" deep end or what?Actually, Wrong Guy, I do love cows. I love them a lot. Especially when they are slow roasted and covered in barbeque sauce. Mmmmmm. That's finger-licking good!

  60. June 12, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    To Bob, What you and the other enviro-statists will not accept or deal with is that there will ALWAYS be oil drilling in the oceans…and in the gulf coast..and in and on countries all over the world. What the United States does or doesn't do doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the world of oil and power and money. If we don't pump it up some other country will.This is why there should be aggressive offshore drilling just off the continental U.S. BUT it should be close to shore and not deeper that 200 feet.To Wise Guy…The bottom line is, and you all know it,this is ALL about Obama and how he and his band of jokers completely botched the quit recovery and clean up methods that could have saved the oil coming into the marshes and onshore. He blew it 100% and it will be the end of him. America may have been stupid to elect him but they aren't so that they can't see right through his empty suit.Obama will talk to Iran and Aquavelvajihad face to face…the same with Islamic fascists and terrorists yet he won't pick up a phone to talk to the president of BP? Seriously not even that kind of stupidity can't be lost on you…can it?Jimmy Carter is the only one happy now. He is now the second worse president ever.

  61. June 13, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Bob–You know that Mr. Facts is our friend from Arizona, right? You do know that, don't you?

  62. June 13, 2010 at 12:37 am

    BTR what the hell? Are you for or against the Obama administrations 6 month moritorium on off-shore drilling? Do you think we need to stop drilling until we know what happened and how to prevent it? Or do you agree with little Booby Jindahl and other WIng-nuts that we need to continue to Drill,Baby, Drill? Stay on subject if you can, I'm having trouble following your arguement.

  63. June 13, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Mr. Fiction please tell me some more fake "poll" information from ABC news or CBS or where ever it came from in your imagination or Fox News. Or tell me some of the golden oldie lies from your vast history of lies. You know what I'm talking about Mr. No-Facts, tell me how Reagan cut taxes and balanced the budget or how Reagan didn't sell weapons to Iran in a arms for hostage deal. How about you tell me again how Clinton's tax rate increase on the highest earners in 1993 was going to lead to an economic disaster. Please tell me Mr. I-have-no-Facts how W.'s tax cuts weren't going to send us back to huge budget deficits like Al Gore warned us about in 2000. Tell me how Bush didn't torture prisioners or hold people without formal charges or fire U.S. attaorneys because they wouldn't prosecute Democrats or how Cheney had nothing to do with outing a CIA agent. Tell me again how Sarah Palin is qualified to be President of the United States, Tell me again how there was no way Obama was going to win the election in 2008. Repeat all the many predictions you have made over the years about how KVEC is going to fire Dave. Please Mr. Fiction, I need more exposure to your ignorance, you need to embarrass yourself time and time again with false assertions and phony proclamations. I need my daily reminder of what a shameless fool sounds like. Please continue to perfectly portray how stupid the modern conservative Republican really is.

  64. June 13, 2010 at 2:46 am

    On in the dim, convoluted, socialist-blinded vision of an American liberal could you both misinterpret EVERYTHING Reagan ever said or did and draw impossible connections where no exist. Reagan was a conservative, not a libertarian. Libertarians believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution on what the government can and can't do. If it isn't in the Constitution then the federal government can't do it. Reagan wanted limited government intervention in the lives of American's. He didn't even try to get rid of the FDA, OSHA, Social Security or medicare, FEWA, the EPA, or any other government regulatory agency. Of course, Reagan deregulated some industries, like the airline industry, but that in no way crates a corallary between the BP oil spill and Reagan. Only the most paranoid, delusional and idiotic conspiracy nuts would even attempt such nonsense (gues that tells you where I think you fall, Bob). Reagan's policies did start the longest sustained peacetime economic expansion in this nation's history (80 consecutive months). You benefited from that expansion, Bob, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. Did some people make a lot of money during this time? Yes, they did. But then again, everyone made a lot of money during the late 80's. As for the MMS accepting Bp's report, that has nothign to do with Reagan and everything to do with the incestuous relationship between regulator and the regulated. The potential for collusionand corruption are rife in every aspect of government. Why are you more worried about MMS accepting BP's sea-life report for business gain but not worried about the Secretary of the Interior doctoring a scientific report to achieve a minor political gain? Both are instances of corruption but you are only mad at BP and the MMS and not Ken Salazar for doing EXACTLY the same thing? What gives? You will probably blather on about how this is Reagan/Bush's fault and just ignore the fact that you are a flaming hypocrite you are. This entire escapade in the Gulf should be a clarion call for reform of HOW government regulates and enforces those regulations on industry. Instead we are treated to more liberal conspiracy idiocy and blame-storming against the private industries that Obama's crew was supposed to be watching. Thanks for nothing, liberals.

  65. June 13, 2010 at 5:49 am

    Dave: I really didn't put much thought into who "Mr. Facts" might be; just the notion that someone feels so insecure in there viewpoint that they have to resort to using a screen name that very sadly attempts to paint themselves as if they have something of import to say, well, it is just sad. And of course, Jerry cannot address the thrust of my argument that the Obama Administration started out on the BP disaster with at least one hand tied behind their back due to the planned incompetence by the prior administration. But then again, I don't expect him to address the issue in a logical manner; he will either simply ignore (like he did here) or he will make some outrageous statement about how Bush is longer in office, so nothing can be attributed to his legacy; pretty standard responses from those who either have no argument to make, or they know their argument is weak. Somethings never change.

  66. June 13, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Speculate all you want about me but my facts are 100% irrefutable. I dare any of you to prove me wrong.Try and deny this fact!RASMUSSEN48% in California Favor Offshore Oil DrillingSunday, June 13, 2010Despite the continued struggle to stop the massive oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico, the plurality (48%) of Likely Voters in California still favor offshore oil drilling, according to a Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state.Thirty-eight percent (38%) are opposed to offshore oil drilling, while 14% more are undecided. Although a solution in the Gulf is yet to be discovered, support for offshore drilling among California voters is up slightly from early April, when 44% favored such drilling.A new ABC/New York Times poll today…69% Still think Obama has blown the governments approach to this crisis. The numbers never lie. Now stop obsessing and get on the right side of this issue.As for Bob. You tell me when Obama will stop licking Bushes coat tails. When is the presidency all his? Until then his poll numbers are in the tank on every topic. He has failed and now 60-70% of Americans know it. What his numbers from now till November then apologize.

  67. June 13, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Jerry: As Mark Twain stated: "There are lies, damned lies and statistics." Numbers never lie; it is how those numbers are arrived at (method of polling), how those numbers are assembled (data manipulation), and how those numbers are reported (editing, omission and out right fudging of supposed facts). To put unquestioned faith in polling numbers is a fools mission; data can always be manipulated, period. And to your question about President Obama "stop licking Bush's coat tails …", if you mean when does President Obama have full responsibility for the actions of the federal government, I for one would say that after he roots out all of the plants left in place by the Bush/Cheney cabal would be a good time, as has been demonstrated by the disaster that is the Mineral Management Services, there is much more left for Obama to continue to clean up from the disaster that was the Bush Administration.Tent: Again, your delusional view of the impact of Ronald Reagan ignores or simply cannot seem to grasp the how deeply his approach to government has changed the political structure since he took office. Reagan may not have been a libertarian, just like he himself may not have been a racist, but with his wink and a nod to those with the most extreme views, his administration set up the parameters of what George W. Bush was able to accomplish in dismantling oversight and regulation. Your observation of how cozy big business and the agencies that are supposed to be the oversight is a perfect example to point out how this all came about, as it was the Bush Administration that did the deed of allowing the open door policy of bringing in persons of an industry into the agency that was responsible for the supposed oversight, and then once they had dismantled the agency, they would go right back into that same business again. You won't see it though because you choose not to see the reality. And again, all of this was started by the relationship of the Reagan Administration with big business; Republicans have always been proud of their mantra of "free enterprise" and "less regulation", but it has allowed big business to almost take over our legislatures completely, with the final nail in the coffin of "open" government being the recent decision by the Supreme Court to allow corporations to spend as much money as they want for elections- it is going to worse, not better.

  68. June 13, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Serious question to Mr. "facts" and Big Tent:If you two are so wise and really know what's up, why are both of your lives so pathetic? Seriously, look at your lives. Examine the emptiness. Are you happy? Do you have any sense of deep satisfaction so that when you lay on your death bed you can close your eyes in peace, knowing you did the best you can for your fellow man, that you contributed to easing the suffering of others or added to the beauty of this world?Did you fully appreciate the huge blessing that your life has been? Are you truly grateful for this opportunity to savor this fascinating world in all its glory? Or were you simply a narcissistic parasite with the root of every thought based on adding to your comfort?If "contributing" to this forum is the epitome of your creativity and contribution to this world, I think it's safe to consider your lives pathetic. Thus it would make sense to reconsider your approach to life, your attitudes, your actions.You will get nowhere blaming your unhappiness on Obama, Muslims, illegal immigrants, liberals, environmentalists, etc.. Erase them all and you will concoct new demons to blame, someone else to pin the responsibility upon, someone else to bully. If you are so wise why have you ended up so pathetic and mean and so immature? It's really a question worth asking yourself and being honest with yourself. If more of your ilk would do that, your world, our world, would transform for the better more quickly. THAT is the real power you, we have. Most of this other stuff is pure. B.S. and self-delusion and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility for your lot in life.If you have children or grandchildren, perhaps they will read through your postings some day long in the future. They will read of your views and pronouncements and insults and bullying and they will see some of themselves in those words AND THEY WILL BE HORRIFIED. And some of them will reassess THEIR views. That will be your legacy. That will be the positive that you have contributed in such a backwards, pathetic way. I'm sorry. I wish you well…

  69. June 13, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Wow! This is the very first time in my life I have ever been proved wrong…and Bob did it. My hat is off to you Bob. Congrats.I always thought that the interior secretary Salazar was appointed by Obama not Bush…hmmm oh well I stand corrected.Here is a report from MSNBC.They are reporting that Elizabeth Birnbaum, head of the beleaguered Minerals Management Service, has been fired. Bob is right again! Another Bush appointee that has derailed Obama's perfect presidency. Well at least now Obama fired her. Wait…didn't Obama appoint her? Can't be. Bob is always right.And here is another Bush jag-off! Though his agency was charged with coordinating the federal response to the major oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, Department of the Interior chief of staff Tom Strickland was in the Grand Canyon with his wife last week participating in activities that included white-water rafting, ABC News has learned. Obama should fire him and hire his own choice…right? Bush has really screwed that department up and we have Bob to thank for straightening it all out!Here is the title of an article written by Bush's appointee as the head of the interior department. "Interior Secretary Takes Fire From Congress Over Agency's Criminal Offenses". Obama should really fire that Bush crony and appoint his person. After all he's the president right?Why should Obama have to live with all these corrupt Bush appointments? You are onto something Bob…and man are you good!And how bout this!Interior Department Employees Were Getting High and Surfing Porn on the JobMay 25, 2010Instead of, y’know, making sure we didn’t have an oil rig disaster: Staff members at an agency that oversees offshore drilling accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography, according to an InteriorThis is an outrage! How could Obama let so many of the Bush's staff appointments stay in the agency when he was the president? Wait! This article was written on May 25th. I'm confused, how could that have happened? Bush has been out of office for over 18 months.Oh well we all trust Bob. He's right all the time. One thing is clear…Obama can't be blamed for any of this. I have seen the light.

  70. June 13, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Wrong Guy: you know NOTHING about me. I dare say you would be surprised if you knew who I was as a person and a professional. I also think that you would be embarrassed by the comments you continue to make about me, my views and my statements here.Bob: Just as the far-right has elevated Reagan beyond his just position in history, you liberals elevate his impact in the same manner. The only thing Reagan set up was 8 years of Clinton… once he gave up on his socialist inklinations. Reagan was a rather dim bulb when it came to how things really worked. Rather, he provided a vision of conservatism that was widely accepted by Americans as seen in his landslide re-election in 1984.TO claim that only Republicans are in bed with big business is self-delusion at its finest. For instance, Democrats, like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, were at the heart of the housing bubble and the stock market collapse. Take off the blinders, Bob, and recognize that both parties are equally bad. Your "republicans as the source of evil and Reagan is their satan" mantra is narrow-minded and short-sighted at best and just dumb at its worst.

  71. June 14, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Here's a good news story all the way around. It's good for conservatives who believe the war in Afghanistan is an inherent good and for liberals that want to get the US off petroleum as the fuel for our economy.US Officials have found vast deposits of lithiumAs you all know, lithium is vital for rechargeable batteries, like the ones in cell phones and, one day, in rechargeable cars. (also for Bob's bipolar order)So, our exploits in Afghanistan can transform that country into, as the article says, "the Saudi Arabia of lithium". Who knew?For centuries, Afghanistan has been the arm pit of the world. There has never been anything other than opium that was of value in that nation. Now, Afghanistan could become as vital for modern technology (ironic since there is very little indigenous techology) as South Africa or Russia. At the end of the day, or exploits in Afghanistan could be a win-win for both sides of the political spectrum.

  72. June 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    There it is, Thank You Jerry, bath me in your ignorance. I love how you back your prejudice and hatred with "poll" numbers that you fabricate or blatantly mis-state. Your rage gives me comfort that President Obama is going the right thing. Please Jerry, thrown in some of your hatefull rants about how KVEC is going to fire Dave. Can you do this for me Jerry? I need you to sit down at your computer with a large supply of snack food, sugar drinks, pork rinds and pasta, and type out a long dis-jointed, paranoid manifesto directed at Dave. I need a good laugh. Hey BTR, you haven't answered the question if you support the 6-month off-shore drilling moratorium? Or do you agree with little Bobby Jindahl's view that we need to keep drilling as usual? What is it BTR? Your posts on this thread confuse me because you seemily condradict yourself.

  73. June 14, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    OK, Big Tent, try to surprise me. Your "professional" status doesn't say nearly as much about you as your comment here, including your latest reply. I know plenty about you and your every posting makes that more clear than ever. Feel free to try to convince me otherwise, but so far you haven't presented any evidence that suggests I'm not right on with my characterization of you. This is what happens in our culture. People pursue the "American Dream" and for most of them that means acquiring wealth or status and they are either so consumed with that pursuit they fail to appreciate all the beauty of this world, the small joys, all the blessings that surround them. Either that or they do acquire pretty much everything they imagined, but they still feel an emptiness and a fear of death. They often get depressed, or, to avoid that they get angry, they spout off, things that stimulate their body chemistry to counter-act the deep-seated depression and discontent they feel. They need to fight to feel alive, because their souls are dying a quiet, protracted death. They become immune to the death and suffering of others, be it plant, animal or human, except to the extent that it might directly affect themselves, their families or their possessions. Death and devouring even starts to have a fascination for them, especially to the extent they feel they might have some control over it. Hence, we see the fascination and promotion of torture. Or, as we have read, there is the celebration to the point of perversity, of eating animal flesh. For example, Big Tent's comment above, reposted here:"…I do love cows. I love them a lot. Especially when they are slow roasted and covered in barbeque sauce. Mmmmmm. That's finger-licking good!"A joke? Perhaps, but where exactly does the "humor" come from? The suffering of the animal, or ridiculing someone who expresses compassion for animals? But they also have a deep-seated need to feel a part of something bigger than themselves, which is natural because, in reality, we are all connected to each other and we should be striving to unite, to achieve atonement (at-one-ment) with our world. But that intuitive sense of unity is perverted by fear and ego and in lieu of a spiritual approach (not necessarily a "religious" approach), they seek unity through causes that play on their emotions and fears.This can happen whether you are a "conservative" or a "liberal". But on the conservative side, this accounts for the cult-like "ditto-heads" who unite around a voice that comes out of the radio, and the Tea Party movement…

  74. June 14, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Captain Kick-ass Deceives America About Drilling Moratorium.The seven experts who advised President Obama on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium — something they actually oppose.The experts, recommended by the National Academy of Engineering, say Interior Secretary Ken Salazar modified their report last month, after they signed it, to include two paragraphs calling for the moratorium on existing drilling and new permits. Could Obama and his band of mery thieves get any more corrupt?In plain English, Salazar committed fraud, and no doubt at the request of the White House.The Administration insists it did nothing wrong, even as it commits fraud and threatens the economies of already battered Gulf states.Obama knows cap-and-trade is a dead issue, and had the "temporary" moratorium placed with the idea of driving oil rigs out of the Gulf.

  75. June 14, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Tent: At no time, anywhere, have I ever suggested that only the Republicans are the ones in bed with big business; YES, there are many Democrats who are corporatists and take huge amounts of money, AND THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM! You missed my point completely though (surprise!) in that the Republican Party has always sided with the interests of big business, period. Deny, argue all you want, you cannot change that FACT. As for the impact of Reagan, yes his influence on how Bill Clinton moved to the right and got in bed with big business and did Aikido type moves against the Republicans with their own legislation attempts meant that Bill Clinton was the most effective President at implementing Republican ideals ever. However, to claim that Reagan had no influence on how both George Bushes governed is either willful ignorance or a blanket denial of reality. In the first Bush presidency, please remember that Ronald Reagan was already losing his grip on reality (and I don't say that to be mean, just bringing up the fact that he was losing some of his mental capability) and much of what happened in the last part of Reagan's last term was the agenda of George H.W. Bush. To deny the impact of the agenda of Ronald Reagan's presidency ignores all of those behind the scenes that were able to push their agendas in the name of Ronald Reagan. If you really think about that, there is no way to deny that is what happened; however, if one chooses to ignore what happened, deny why we are where we are now is really just a dogmatic response to anyone who points out the reality of what happened.

  76. June 14, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Bottom Line:As more investigative reports come out it becomes evermore clear that the BP Gulf oil spill validates the stance of the PROGRESSIVE political movement in America and its warnings and the calls for RADICAL political and economic changes in the U.S.The whole shitty conservative, kill, kill, drill baby drill, attack Iraq, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Reaganomics, Glenn Beck, Dick Cheney, Enron, Bernie Madoff, Jack Abramoff, pro-torture, Michael Savage, crap-on-the-environment, poison the children, rape the rainforest, extinct the birds, gas guzzling, birther, good ol' boy, wicked bitch, cruel, insane, vicious, fear-mongering idiocy known as modern day "conservatism" is going up in flames, broadcast 24 hours a day, into homes in every nation with an internet hook-up. Examine the spectacular and horrifying images of the BP oil platform in flames, and the nearby seashores today. That is the alpha-omega of modern day "conservatism." Those images tell more truth than will a decade of government hearings on the disaster. Even through the smoke, the clarity of what happened is remarkable. It was a mechanical failure spawned by ideological failure, which in turn points to moral failure. There has never been a more significant "I TOLD YOU SO!" moment in our nation's history. It's now time to apply what we have learned from it…

  77. June 14, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Obama will attempt to extort 20 billion from BP but unfortunately it's NOT Constitutional.That's why he will read to the nation off his teleprompters and then meet with BP the next day.We see right through it.

  78. June 14, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Go to this link and read the story referred to by Captain Krazy Jerry Wrong Fact, http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/11/95776/engineers-say-interior-changed.html The "experts" the story quotes are Texas oil consulants. They only had a disagreement on 2 of 22 of the recommendations. And they thought current off-shore drilling should be on a "temporary pause" rather than a 6 month moratorium. I guess if you make your living as a consultant to the oil industry, you really can't afford to appear to be advising for a 6 month hold on drilling rather than a temporary pause. One again this story requires common sense and a small amount of reading comprehension to understand. This is why an idiot is so easily fooled by Fox News as to how to view the story. This is why their motto should be "we decide, then we report on how morons should think". This is the second time Mr. Fiction stupidly repeated a story he heard on Fox News without checking it out for himself. Or he checked the story and still decided he needed to lie about it to bolster his weak political dogma. C'mon Jerry, stick to the Dave-getting-fired tirades, they are much more entertaining and ridiculous. Still waiting for your opinion on the drilling moratorium BTR. Drill,Baby,Drill.

  79. June 15, 2010 at 7:12 am

    Wrong again, Wrong Guy. first off, I am not here to convince you of anything. Your closed mind has already decided what it has decided. I have neither the time or the desire to change any of that. Second, I eat meat. I am an omnivore as most humans are. That requires that animals are killed so that me and my family can eat. That killing will be as painful for my meat consumption as it would be for the wolf's meat consumption. That is just the way life is. Your weepy concern for the plight of the animal is a waste of time. There is no other way to describe your concern. It is just mental masterbation to make yourself feel better about yourself. Ex-GOP: I am in favor of a "safety stand-down" to ensure that existing rigs are safe and in compliance. I am not for a blanket "cease drilling" order just because Obama is in favor of "green" (bullshit) technology. If the safety stand-down takes 6 months or a year, so be it. But a moritorium sounds like a ban to me, so I am not in favor of banning off-shore drilling.Bob: I try not to use infinitives whenever I can because always is a mighty long time and it always opens you up to being wrong on something. I don't have time now, but if I did, I'm certain that there is something the GOP did to make your always infinitive wrong.

  80. June 15, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    from day #3 and continuing for 2 weeks the white house received offers from 13 countries and foreign companies offering help to America with the biggest environmental disaster ever in our history.For 2 weeks following, the Obama white house refused to release the names of the companies and countries. Under pressure from the press corps they finally did release the info.To this day Obama has not accepted any help stating the Jones Act as the reason.Bush suspended the Jones Act in order to get help to the Katrina victims faster. Thank you President Bush.Obama has not nor will not accept any help because he has been told not to by the unions thugs on the gulf.Is there any wonder that 70% of Americans think Obama is doing a worse job on the oil crisis that President Bush did on Katrina.But he kicking ass and standing on throats! It just happens to be the people of the gulf coast he's doing it to.Some facts just can't be spun so I will be personally attacked. Watch.In tonight's speech President ass-kicker will spin the reality of how he screwed up and paint a rosy picture with a "long view"…a utopia of a green nation free from oil disasters.Aloof from his day to day duties Obama looks bored and angry that this event is sidelining his regime's agenda of shoving cap-n-tax down your throats and bailing out more unions. It's not that this job is below Obama's attention…it's that is is above his skills and experience level. We all knew he had zero executive experience coming into office and that this was his first real job. It's showing true now that we needed an experienced man or woman in the white house not a rookie community organizer.Obama will be a one term disaster. America will recover from his incompetence and ideology but it will take time.

  81. June 15, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Big Tent, there's nothing "weepy" about my sentiments. Rather, it's a matter of practicality and common sense. It's not your meat eating that I object to. What I find disgusting is your callous attitude toward nature and your eagerness to promote attitudes and policies that destroys beauty and increases suffering for humans and animals alike.That you are so eager to ridicule people who show compassion and care for animals or the environment says a lot about you and is, unfortunately, a too-common characteristic of others who identify themselves as "conservative" or 'Republican." Is there any wonder why the Republican Party is known as the party of death and destruction?Nor should we be surprised that the unprecedented despoiling of nature in the Gulf, and the horrific annihilation of untold amounts of wildlife, has not tempered the Republican Party's unregulated "drill-baby-drill" insanity.

  82. June 15, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    BTR, thanks for finally answering my question, but, what the hell does, " I am in favor of a "safety stand-down" to ensure that existing rigs are safe and in compliance", mean? What the hell are you talking about? "Safe and in compliance"…compliance to what? Are you saying that the Deepwater Horizon wasn't "in compliance"? Can you say with complete confidence that exisiting regulations and standards will prevent any future blow-outs? I've heard oil industry cheerleaders like little Bobby Jindahl and Sarah Palin preach that off-shore drilling is safe and environmentally friendly with our current "heavy" regulations, if their claims are true, how did this disaster happen? Why is it a bad thing to stop off-shore drilling until we know exactly what happened? What is it about your perception that you hear the word "ban" when everybody else is using the words "6 month moratorium"?……..This is what I think BTR. Even when President Obama does something you agree with, like putting a moratorium on off-shore drilling until we know what happened and how to prevent it from happening again, you cannot force yourself to agree with him. By habit, you take your marching orders from Rodger Ailes and his Clones at Fox News, and you dutifully start throwing mud at our President for doing an action you agree with. Those Assholes at Fox News have so effectively demonized the President in your mind, you can't allow yourself to agree with anything he is doing. This is the mentality that causes poor and middle-class people to advocate for tax-rate cuts for Billionaries like Bill Gates. Someday you will wake up and realize that the Republican party sold-out to Corporations and the Super-Wealthy back in the 1980's. And slick salemen like Rodger Ailes are still getting poor and middle-class people to advocate government breaks for his billionaire boss Rupert Murdoch and his wealthy buddies. Someday BTR, I have hope you will recognize that Reaganomics was a complete failure, that none of the economic calamities conservatives predicted happened when Clinton raised tax-rates on high earners in the 90's, and that small government and less regulation is not always a good idea for the average American or for Corporations (they sometimes need to be saved from themselves). When you figure out you've been fooled, you will distance yourself from the Sarah Palins, Jerry Dagnas and Joe-the Plumbers of this world and become an Ex-Republican like me. Drill,Baby,Drill.

  83. June 15, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Jerry, really? We already proved you lied about the "poll" numbers about what Americans think about Obama's job in the gulf versus Bush after Katrina. Now you are taking your myopia to a higher level, you are increasing the false number from 69% to 70%. If you are going to lie why not take it to 99% or 100%? Go full bore crazy on us Jerry. You should mix in some fiber in your diet Jerry, your motabulism might be out of balance and causing your delusions.

  84. June 15, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Do any of you every bother to read any of the headlines and polls before opening your mouths here? Try to put logic before anger. Obama Gets Thumbs Down On BP ResponsePresident Scolded For Being 'Sluggish'June 15, 2010WASHINGTON — A majority of Americans disapprove of how President Barack Obama has handled the devastating Gulf oil spill though far more blame BP for what people call a sluggish two-month response, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll released Tuesday.It comes as the president seeks to show more forceful leadership in confronting the nation's worst environmental crisis and convince a skeptical public he's up to the task.Rasmussen poll: Obama approval sinks to sub-basement levelAP Poll: Majority disapprove of Obama on oil spillABC Poll: Obama administration gets low marks on oil gusher responseUSA Today: Polls Show Americans angry With Obama's Handling Of Oil SpillNew York Daily News: A President engulfed: Obama has not shown the leadership the oil spill requiresUSA Today made a splash with its new poll, conducted in conjunction with Gallup (margin of error: 4%), showing 53% of Americans gave Obama a "poor" rating when it comes to handling the oil spill. But that poll is just one of many showing public trust in the White House's ability to handle the crisis has declined since the spill first began in late April. WAPO, Dana Milbank: Hillary Clinton finally ahead of Obama in popularitySLATE, Anne Applebaum: Obama Can't Stop the Oil Spill. Acting like politicians can't solve all our problems just makes us look weak.UK Mail online, Geoffrey Wheatcroft: Tonight's speech to be about Obama not oil or people on the gulf.RCP, Thomas Sowell: This government is not about governing. It is about creating an impression. That worked on the campaign trail in 2008, but it is a disaster in the White House, where rhetoric is no substitute for reality. This is not about oil. This is about snake oil.The Hill,Eric Zimmermann: Obama at new low in Gallup poll. Yikes, Gallup Poll … Obama Sinks to New Low of 46% Approval RatingUSA Today/Gallup Poll: Obama Doesn’t Deserve Re-electionDakota Voice, By Bob Ellis: Surprise Poll Results: Obama Oil Response Worse Than Bush Katrina ResponseWashington Examiner, Byron York: New Poll: Obama personal popularity at new low

  85. June 16, 2010 at 12:07 am

    What is mre important to you, ex-GOPer, safety or placing blame? The fact remains that there are wells and drilling rigs operating today. Whether they are active or not, a 6 month moritorium will just allow problems to fester while Obama's lawyers parse who shot John. What we need to know is "are there anymor Deepwater Horizons operating off our coasts?" That is the important question we need answered. We have an eternity to figure out where BP went wrong. So my "safety stand-down" would be a top to bottom safety examination of every rig and well in the Gulf. It would be based on best operating practices with an eye to comon sense safety. I find it ironic that Halliburton warned against this very thing and even offered a solution to prevent the problem. No kudos for Haliburton? Anyhow, it is not about Obama says it therefore it is wrong. It is not what Roger Ailes says. Hell I don't even have time for Fox or Rush or any of that claptrap. It is about motives. Why is Obama allowing BP to syphon off oil instead of working to cap it? Why Why has Obama not waived he Jones act and started using international help to abate the oil washing up on shore or floating in the Gulf? What are Obama's motives for moving so slowly to help the states an why has he allowed BP to dictate the terms of the operation? hell, Bush let NATO help with Hurricane Katrina. Where is Obama asking the international community for help?It is Obama's motives I question, not what he says.

  86. June 16, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Of course you heartless liberals and your eco-communist allies care nothing for the workers that make their living off the gulf coast in the oil industry. One well blows up and you think that ALL wells will blow up. That is the fallacy of division. That is no shock since all of liberalism is built on fallacies. But of course, I am talking to brick walls when it comes to liberals and their "thinking".

  87. June 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    "Great speech if he had been living on another planet for the past 56 days"Keith Olberman MSNBCObama will never recover from this.A one term nightmarish failure.Bye bye democrat party.

  88. June 16, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Wise guy said "It's not your meat eating that I object to. What I find disgusting is your callous attitude toward nature and your eagerness to promote attitudes and policies that destroys beauty and increases suffering for humans and animals alike." …"Is there any wonder why the Republican Party is known as the party of death and destruction?"If only the Democrats cared as much for all the babies being killed everyday via abortions as they do about the animals.

  89. June 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    BTR a 6 month moratorium will allow the oil companies to do the "top to bottom safety exaiminations" you advocate. Because it is industry wide, the companies won't rush to get their rigs back on line to beat their competetion. I've done work in the oil fields and for oil companies for most of the last 30 years, I fully understand the pressure to get wells back on line and producing. You were right when you brought up the Apollo disaster and suggested we approach this disaster the same way. This is exactly the same situation. When that capsule burned on the launch pad, Nasa shut down all further manned space flights for a year until they fully understood what caused the disaster and how to prevent it. You brought this event up as a good example of how to handle a disaster. What the President is doing with this moratorium is no different only 6 months shorter than Nasa proposed. The President is not just trying to find out "who shot John", whatever the hell that means, He is putting a hold on the industry until they can figure out what happened and how to prevent it and respond to it if it happens again. Just like the Apollo situation you respected enough to us as a good example of excellent leadership. The only rational explaination for you to argue against a course of action that is the same as the actions you once advocated, can only be because you can't support this President, or his actions, even when you strongly agree with him. So keep up the devisive mud throwing BTR, the rest of us see the hypocracy in your opposition. Drill,Baby,Drill. p.s.-You are hilarious Mr. Liar, we need more of your "poll" information. How did you like that poll that was done in November of 2008 that you incorrectly predicted would be won by John McCain and Sarah Palin? You nailed that one didn't you Jerry?

  90. June 17, 2010 at 5:41 am

    But you are wrong, Ex-GOPer, Obama's moritorium is on NEW drilling. All of the existing and approved drilling and all of the existing pumping is going on as if the Deep water Horizon never blew up. How is th 6-month moritorium on new drilling keeping anyone safe if the existing wells continue to be drilled? My plan would be more comprehensive and probably be done quicker. And why 6 months? If my Apollo anology is so right as you say, why not a year? If one year was good for NASA, wouldn't two years be better? Or eight? Fact is that 6-months is an arbitrary number to support the anti-petroleum of the Obama administration. It is liberal hypocracy that is on display every day on this blog. By thw way, since they found a $1 trillion lithium deposit, I have to wonder if that was the reason for Obama doubling down on our involvement in Afghanistan. Obama has deep ties to Goldman Sachs, George Soros and others in the business secotr. Did he aid his buddies in business by committing the US to securing the lithium deposits for them?No blood for lithium, no blood for lithium!

  91. June 17, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    BTR said, "My plan would be more comprehensive and probably be done quicker". That is just great BTR, how much experience do you have in the drilling industry? Is your experience land based or off-shore? This is a great plan you have where you will stop all drilling, new and exisiting, perform complete top down safety checks on all rigs, figure out what went wrong on the Deepwater Horizon, come up with new regulations that will prevent a similar disaster, reform MMS so that they can effectively implement your new regulations and have all oil companies revise their spill response plans (you see BTR, I'm sure you already know this because you are such an expert, the oil companies all were using the same in-effective response plan for the gulf that included how they would deal with impacts on Walrusus' that don't exisits in the gulf). I'm impressed that your timeline will do this all in a time span shorter than 6 months. Share with me some details from your brilliant plan. When do you plan on having a comprehensive report on what went wrong on the Deepwater Horizon? Who will draw up regulations to prevent the same disaster form happening again? Who will enforce your new regulations? Is enough new equipment available right now to retrofit the rigs to conform to the new regulations? Who is going to perform your "top down" inspections? Is it the Coast Guard? Aren't they stretched thin with the spill? How long does it take to do this inspection on a single rig? How many rigs need this inspection? Do you have enough experienced personell to do all these inspections within 6 months? C'mon BTR these are the simple questions. If your "plan" is such a brilliant one, share with us just a few of the simple details. You are confident that this can be done within 6 months, so confident, that you will go on a public forum and criticise the President's plan. I guess I should believe you, just like I believed all the other Republicans who mocked and chanted "drill,baby,drill" at their last convention. Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindahl chanted over and over "drill,baby,drill", they told everyone that we need to drill more off-shore wells, they told us that it was safe and that modern rigs didn't pose the spill dangers of past rigs. Sarah and Little Bobby were wrong, they were just saying words that meant nothing and they are either too stupid or too stubborn to admit it now. They are the leaders of your party and you are just like them. You stupidly say words and talk of "plans" that mean nothing. I have almost 30 years of experience as a vendor to the Oil industry, I've worked on and around land-based and off-shore drilling rigs, production rigs, refineries and tankers. I know how complex and profit driven these companies are. I know how complex and diverse the problems they face when drilling wells. They are very concerned with safety but they get less careful if they think a competitor is getting a business advantage over them. You don't know what the hell you are talking about BTR. Your "plan" and your time frame is a joke, I'm laughing at you. You only make this claim because you have no idea what you are talking about. The President is doing the right thing with the moratorium until we know what we are dealing with and you and Sarah and Little Bobby and the rest of the moronic "drill,baby,drill" crowd need to step back and let the adults deal with this disaster. Drill,Baby,Drill.

  92. June 17, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Big Republican and some person who calls him/herself Captain Kickass have alleged Obama has refused foreign assistance due to the Jones Act. This is false. Canada, Germany, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, the United Nations' International Maritime Organization, and the European Union's Monitoring and Information Centre are assisting right now. There are 15 foreign flagged ships from countries such as Canada, Norway, and Netherlands assisting with the BP spill right now.http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/660195/You guys really need to learn a little about the Jones Act's applicability. It may help easy some of your anger.The Jones Act only applies to commerce between U.S. ports. It does not apply to the current usage of foreign ships, but Obama has indicated he'd waive it if the need arises.The reason Bush had to waive it during the Katrina response was to transport oil between U.S. ports. So far, that hasn't been needed.Get a grip and an understanding.

  93. June 17, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    It was interesting having the Congressional hearings on the TV while I was getting ready for work today. It was crystal clear which party was concerned about the oil industry and which party was concerned about the people. As each Congressional Representative took turns giving their little opening speeches, I didn't even have to look at the screen to tell if the speaker was a Democrat or a Republican by the way some ripped into BP while others handled them with kid gloves. The bias was obvious. The kicker happened when sad, flabby Texas Republican Joe Barton abandoned on all personal dignity by offering an emotional apology to BP for the $20 billion "shake-down." I was waiting for Tony Hayward to tell Barton to work the shaft and cup the balls a little more.Who elects these people? Oh, that's right. Real 'Mericans do.

  94. June 17, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Check this link to "energy expert" and leader of the Republican Party, Sarah Palin, to hear what she said about President Obama's response to the gulf spill. Check out the word salad that is unique to Sarah. She is so stupid, she can't recognize how stupid she really is. my favorite part is when she says Obama should ask for help from "foreign countries of entrepreneurial Americans". She also specifically says that we should ask the Socialist government of Norway for help. I thought private enterprise was always more effective at solving problems than Socialism in Sarah-land. Sarah Palin is a very bizarre woman, if she had a modicum of self-awareness, she would be embarrassed. Drill,baby,drill.http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/06/sarah-palins-oi.html

  95. June 17, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    JD said "There are 15 foreign flagged ships from countries such as Canada, Norway, and Netherlands assisting with the BP spill right now."Let's be clear. Thiose ships are outside US waters. To cross the line the Jones act would need to suspended.What is needed now is tankers to store the skimmed oil. They can not come into US waters without a Jones act wavier. You are partially right but I am always 100% right.Don't be shy just ask me.The source of my info? Adm Thad Allen in his own words today.

  96. June 18, 2010 at 6:20 am

    Actually, "Mr. Facts," you continue to add irony to your chosen title.Admiral Allen explained that the Jones Act doesn't need to be waived right now, but that, if the need to waive it arose or if request to waive it was received, waiver would be given quickly. I've pasted his press release for your stupid face below since, fearing being faced with facts that contradict your world-view, you chose not to follow the address I gave in my last post for this press release.So you can cut it out with the lies about Obama rejecting assistance from foreign countries and you can stop it with the lies about the Jones Act preventing anything from getting done in the Gulf because Admiral Allen has stated the exact opposite to be true.You said your source was Allen's own words, but you quoted nothing. When you use another's "own words," you are supposed to use quotation marks (they look like this: " "). If I didn't know that Admiral Allen actually said the exact opposite of what you attribute to him, I'd have given you the benefit of the doubt, not thought you a liar, and just assumed that you don't know how to use punctuation because you're an ignorant mouth-breathing Faux News zombie. However, I do know exactly what Admiral Allen said, so I know you are just a silly liar. Here's the press release from the Deep Water Horizon Joint Information Center:—–National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen today announced the development of specific guidance to ensure accelerated processing of requests for Jones Act waivers SHOULD THEY BE RECEIVED (my caps) as a part of the BP oil spill response. (My emphasis)Currently, 15 foreign-flagged vessels are involved in the largest response to an oil spill in U.S. history. No Jones Act waivers have been granted because NONE OF THE VESSELS HAVE REQUIRED SUCH A WAIVER to conduct their operations in the Gulf of Mexico. (My emphasis)"While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios," said Admiral Allen. "Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay."[…]Even if the Jones Act applies, a foreign flagged vessel can still conduct certain planned operations as part of the BP oil spill response if the vessel is an oil spill response vessel and meets the requirements of 46 USC § 55113.—–People, it's one thing to have honest differences in socio-political philosophy, but it's another to just flat-out lie. It seems like so much of the conversation is wasted debunking the lies spread by Big Tent Republican, Mr. Facts, and other ironically named cartoon conservatives on this board. It's to the point where, no matter what you say, no matter how seemingly benign it may be, I don't believe a word you type. I know I'm not in the minority on this. You really are accomplishing nothing on this board in the way of enlightening anybody or changing any minds because you are not trusted. You're just running a lonely treadmill of sad neo-con fantasy facts.

  97. June 18, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Even as an ecological catastrophe makes the future of U.S.offshore drilling less certain, Brazil is plowing ahead with a$220 billion five-year plan to tap oil fields even deeper thanBP's ill-fated Gulf well, which is still spewing crude."What is bad for some may be good for others," saidFernando Martins, Latin America Vice President for GE Oil andGas, which provides services to drillers in Brazil."Since operators are shutting down at least temporarily inthe U.S. Gulf, some companies are planning to move their rigsto Brazil now,"Brazil's state oil company Petrobras (PETR4.SA) (PBR.N),which already produces around a quarter of the world's deepwater oil, could be an obvious candidate to take newlyavailable rigs. Petrobras, which pumps the vast majority of Brazil's crude,said in its 2009 business plan that it would lease eight deepwater drilling rigs this year and a total of 14 in 2011 and2012. By 2013 it will begin receiving the first of 28 new rigs tobe built in Brazil by local shipyards, giving it a fleet ofmore than 60 deep water rigs by 2017.Now let me spell it out for you. (with facts!)1) Petrobras (The largest company in Latin America) was given 1 billion dollars from the failed "Obama stimulus). Really? A foreign company gets money that is supposed to stimulate jobs in America? Follow me…2) The deep water drilling moratorium will greatly benefit Petrobras as wells move there from the gulf.3) We all know that Obama is a mere puppet for George Soros (billionaire communist).Here's the kicker…ready?4) Guess who recently took a 900 million dollar stake in Petrobras? Want a hint? OK (hint:he's a billionaire communist) Got it? Yes! It's George Soros.So instead of talking care of the folks in the gulf Obama is busy lining the pockets of his political cronies.We must demand that Obama put the one million he got from BP into the 20 billion shakedown fund.PS: As you can see, Obama is not just about redistributing America's wealth…he is also doing that globally.JD: You are wrong. My facts stand and you stand corrected. Read everything before you put your foot in your mouth again.

  98. June 18, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Bravo JurisDoctor, but, sadly, your command of the facts will fall on deaf ears with Jerry and BTR. When presented with facts that contradict their world view they will either change the subject, attack the source of the lie or just tell bigger lies. This is why these Wing-nuts hate the so-called "main-stream media" because they report facts. Legitamite news organizations don't have a Republican operative, like Rodger Ailes, running them. Ailes has never stopped working for the Republican Party, he even gave advice and sent memos to the W. Bush administration on how to get their message out. Easlier in this thread you can find the level of Jerry's problem. He cited a "CBS" poll that he claimed unfavorably compared Obama to Bush. Turned out it wasn't a CBS poll, nor did it directly compare the two in an apples to apples way. I pointed out the error and invited everybody to read the results for themselves. Jerry refused to acknowledge the error or even address it. Instead he waited a few days then repeated the same lie, only he exaggerated the lie by increasing Obama's unfavorable number. Jerry and BTR are typical Wing-nuts, they only get their "news" from sources with an agenda and an opinion, and they refuse to listen to real facts. If you think they will acknowledge they were wrong about the jones act bullshit they kept repeating, you will be disappointed. BTW BTR, I'm still waiting to hear the details of your "plan" for Off-shore drilling. Your "plan" must contain a way to keep whatever happened on the deepwater Horizon from happening again, right? Well, the president of BP testified to congress yesterday that he still has "no idea" what went wrong on the Deepwater Horizon. He went further and said it would take investigations by multible agencies to fully understand what went wrong. Maybe you can share your "plan" with him BTR. Your "plan" knows how to keep this from happening again, so you must know what happened on that rig. As you stated, your "plan" will get us safely drilling again sooner than Obama's 6 month moratorium. Please share your "plan" with us. Drill,baby,drill.

  99. June 18, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    This President desperately needs one thing, and that's for George Bush to never go away. Becausethat razor-thin veneer of blaming Bush for everything is just about the only thing standing betweenMr. Obama and the American people fully awakening to realizing the phony that they have electedto the White House.

  100. June 18, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Mr. Lies, you just can’t stop yourself from lying, can you?First, you lie about Obama denying foreign aid in the Gulf. I point out the fact you’re lying and you respond just by saying you’re right and I’m wrong, but you offer no rebuttal to my debunking of your lies. You give no information.What’s more, you vomit new lies about Obama’s stimulus package giving $1 billion to Petrobras so George Soros could benefit.Ok, then. I guess I’ll just have to swat your little butt with some facts, again.Your contention that Petrobras received $1 billion from the stimulus is 100% false, as per usual. In fact, Obama had nothing to do with the money Petrobras will receive. On April 14, 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), made a preliminary commitment of a $2 billion (not the $1 billion you claimed) loan. Ex-Im is self-sustaining, so none of the money will come from tax dollars. But here’s the thing; the Ex-Im/Petrobras loan decision took place before any of Obama’s appointees took their positions in the Ex-Im. Here’s the kicker, the Ex-Im board consisted entirely of Bush appointees, 3 Republicans and 2 Democrats.Further, George Sorros does invest a great deal in Petrobras through his hedge fund management company. However, Soros reduced his share in Petrobras before any of the money had even been received from Ex-Im. He sold 22 million voting shares and bought 5.8 million non-voting shares.You are also wrong about the loan not helping U.S. jobs because the loan is specifically provided for Petrobras to buy U.S. made oilfield equipment (good on the bipartisan Bush appointees). So, you are wrong on all counts, Facts.1. The money didn’t come from the stimulus, 2. Obama had nothing to do with the money being loaned, 3. George Soros did not benefit from the deal, and 4. the loan actually will help U.S. jobs.http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfmhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.V5sgGzdsQYhttp://www.exim.gov/pressrelease.cfm/C862E339-D537-79E7-A58FCF6AAEFF8902/http://www.exim.gov/article.cfm/69B39F09-A182-B668-8A5588CC8A0D64ED/

  101. June 18, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Oh, yeah. I forgot to address another one of your lies. Sorry, but you lie so much that it's difficult to keep track.You said Obama received $1 million from BP.Actually, 2 weeks ago, I provided an address for a list of the politicians who have received the most donations from BP and I highlighted that Obama had received the most. You probably didn't check out the list because it's from one of those lefty watchdog sites, Mother Jones.I would be in total favor of Obama giving the $77,051 (not $1 million) he received from BP to the victims relief fund. But I would also require all other BP recipients to give their donations to the fund , as well. This would include Republican Don Young's $73,300, Republican Ted Stevens' $53,200, George W. Bush's $47,388, and John McCain's $44,899, to start.But your use of the term shake-down to describe a fund established to ensure that BP will compensate the victims of their torts and/or crimes is such an admission of what I suspected was your Stockholm Syndrome-like love of foreign oil companies who rape us of our oil supply, pollute our oceans and beaches, and make us bid for the oil on the international market.You're a true patriot, Facts.

  102. June 18, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Just as I predicted Juris, I said Jerry usually responds to facts the contradict his lies by changing the subject or by telling more lies. In this case he did both.

  103. Mr. Facts: proven and unchallenged.
    June 18, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Shame on you JD…Did Goldman-Sachs give one million dollars to Obama campaign? No. But their employees gave over 1 million to Barry's campaign? you bet your sweet bippy they didNow…try to follow. (deep breath)Did BP give one million to Barry? No. Did BP employees give one million to the Obama campaign…you bet your sweet bippy they did. BP's PAC's gave even more. "Follow the money" Remember that scene from the movie? Still true today.You are a typical far left loon.That is the same thread of twisted jaundice BS with all of you bogus fact busting diatribe. You say you can only see a small rough gray patch…But from my perspective witch is broad and untainted I see the whole elephant.Stick with me, you have a lot to learn.PS: You remind me of Bob.

  104. June 18, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Mr. Lies lied and said, "Did BP give one million to Barry? No. Did BP employees give one million to the Obama campaign…you bet your sweet bippy they did. BP's PAC's gave even more."Nope. The $77,051 figure I cited is what Obama received from BP's employees and he only took $1,000 from BP's PAC and that was in 2004. He received nothing from BP directly.Cite your sources, cartoon character.http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/06/more-horse-trading-on-campaign.htmlhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html

  105. June 19, 2010 at 5:08 am

    Some "conservatives" never learn and seem to be stuck in the 20th Century.Take "Chris in Paso" for instance. He called in on Dave's show today, telling us that California should eliminate environmental regulations so as to promote business in the state. Why does Chris think our state should compromise the health of our citizens in order to attract businesses that threaten the environment? It's a short-sighted attitude on Chris' part as he is willing to sacrifice the environment in ways that could be debilitating to our state for generations to come so as to allow a relatively small percentage of citizens to be rewarded financially. It astounds me that "conservatives" like Chris, people of at least average intelligence, can't imagine that there could be an expansion of successful businesses in California that do not threaten our environment to the point that they need to eliminate environmental regulations in order to stay alive and prosper. I know lots of people who either own or are employed by thriving businesses that never ever come close to violating environmental regulations and would not profit in any significant way because of eliminating them. But you know what? Sometimes it is worth a short-term cut in profit in order to run a clean operation. Ask BP about that. And the folks who live along the Gulf. There's a basic closed-minded and strongly pessimistic attitude that seems to infect so much of the ideology of modern day "conservatives." It' s a "CAN'T do it" attitude. (Except with it comes to war, torture and other forms of violence. In which case the attitude is more gung-ho. Hence the reputation of the Republican Party as the party of death and destruction.)Successful companies of the future will be the ones that structure themselves to be profitable while adhering to common sense environmental safeguards. It is not necessary to lower our community health and safety standards so as to attract or expand environmentally toxic businesses. It is simply not necessary and not wise.

  106. June 19, 2010 at 5:13 am

    The Jones act has not been waived.Foreign ships are not helping in the clean up.Thad Allen said exactly that.ABC news reported this today and even said that Thad Allen's staff can't even provide an accurate number of miles of shoreline affected by the oil spill. If waiving the Jones Act is jsta bureacratic nuisance like ex-GOPer says, then why doesn't Obama issue a blanket waiver for any ship working with coast guard and be done with it?

  107. June 19, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Taken on face value of what Chris said (I didn't hear the show) I would agree that the causality between environmental regulation and business is too simplistic.Having said that, I would agree that regulations are part of the problem. What really is at the heart of California's problem is at the heart of the nation's problem: politicians exceeding their authority and exercising power for in support of their personal agenda. Both parties do it and that's wrong. As for the BP spill, I still can't understand how this thing has been going on for 2 months now. If BP is the only people who can fix the mess they created, then get off their backs and let them do it. Demonizing them is counterproductive. If the military or some other government agency is capable of solving this problem, Obama should have federalized the disaster area and sent in whatever agency was capable of ending the disaster. Instead we are stuck somewhere in the middle where only BP can fix the problem but the Obama administration wants to armchair quarterback, criticize, second guess and demonize as if the administration has a clue how to solve this. They don't. Truth is that everyone is just biding their time until the relief well gets drilled in August. Until then, we will be forced to listen to news reports on every dumb thing the BP CEO says, Obama grandstanding (as if he genuinely cares), congressmen bloviating, governors bitching, sob story after sob story of fishermen (oil workers be damned), pictures of oily animals, etc etc.It is quiet some kabuki theater the administration is putting on down on the gulf.

  108. June 19, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Thanks Tent. It;s nice to see there are at least two here that haven't been impaired by the purple Kool-Aid.A recent article revealed that Obama didn't even know what the Jones act was. That's what ya get when you expect a "community organizer" with no real world experience.Keep your eye on Bibby Jindal. America will soon demand he take over operation on the gulf. Obama will go the way of the failed BP president.PS: Is Hillary getting ready so soon for her 2012 run against the "kid"? She will treat him like a red headed step child but in the end she will lose too.No more progressives in the white house.

  109. June 19, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Big Tent, you are totally wrong.And I got proof from a Fox News site (http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/06/17/thad-allen-updates-on-oil-spill-relief-well-flow-rate-jones-act/):Q-CONFUSION ABOUT THE JONES ACT & WHETHER OR NOT IT IS IMPEDING OPERATIONS – CAN YOU EXPLAIN; AND HAVE THERE BEEN ANY EXPEDITED WAIVERS REQUESTED, IF YOU EVEN, INDEED, NEED THAT?"I think there's been a lot of confusion about that and I think we posted talking points on a background paper on deepwaterhorizonrespoonse.com or go to our joint information center.""Basically, if you're going to travel between u.s ports or do coast wise trade, you have to do that on a u.s. flagged vessel. For vessels that are going to be operating offshore, there's no jones act waiver required. So, we're really talking about foreign vessels would be operating inside 3 miles. "We haven't had any need to have those kind of vessels operate in there. Let me differentiate between skimmers. When I say skimmer, I mean, that's a ship with organic capability to recover oil. It's built to do that, versus skimming equipment. That's where you put a boom and some collection equipment, you tow it behind a shrimp boat and you vacuum the oil out. Equipment does not fall under the Jones Act. We need both. The most rare commodity we have right now, we've got pretty much up to speed on boom, but skimmers are our critical mass right now. We need to put those wherever we can get them. And we want to get them from where ever they are available. And to the extent that foreign equipment and skimmers are available, and can be use out there, we have accepted foreign offers of assistance, BP is buying skimming equipment and skimmers from overseas in areas that they normally operate, Mexico, Norway where they have oil operations is where we're getting it from mostly. So, to date nobody has come for a Jones Act waiver. We have expedited procedures to go with customs and border protection which would grant it, I'm willing to do that. It not only relates to skimming equipment but potentially it could relate to the amount of dredges that are available for some of the barrier island construction. But to date, no Jones Act waivers have been requested."This should put to rest your claims that no foreign ships are helping and that the Jones Act is impeding the clean up, but I think the problem with you and Facts is that you are physically incapable of reading words that contradict your world view.

  110. June 19, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    JD you ignorant dumbass! Read this.It's NOT even called the Jones Act…The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (P.L. 66-261) is a United States Federal statute that regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports.Section 27, also known as the Jones Act, deals with cabotage (i.e., coastal shipping) and requires that all goods (OIL) transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.Skimmer are allowed but NOT the tankers to "carry the oil" away from the skimmers this is slowing the work to a crawl.Bobby Jindal knows. Put him in charge. We don't have the time for Obama to get on the job training while animals die and jobs end permanently.JD, do you read…or just read till you see what you like and stop?You are going to kick it up a notch if want to play in the big boy arena with me and Tent.The matter is now settled. Obama's ignorance on suspending the The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 is costing America and the wild life way too much.

  111. June 19, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    This could have just as easily been a melt-down at a nuclear power plant. The conditions are not much different. And the warnings have all been made, just as it was with BP in the Gulf. These are accidents that corporate officials deem too unlikely to ever be a concern. Too many American's have seen too many Superman movies and assume these horrendous industrial disasters can simply be fixed up and tucked away in a dramatic two-hour episode. Everything that is happening in the Gulf was predicted. But the scientists and engineers who made the warnings were pushed off into the "environmental whacko" department by high powered public relations experts/whores and the poor ditto-heads who don't know any better. When we have industrial operations happening on Earth that threaten to destroy entire oceans or islands or continents, I don't think we should leave it to the "free market" and profit-motivated million-dollars-a-month bonus corporate executives to "regulate themselves." You don't think humans are capable of destroying an entire ocean? We will soon be finding out. Ooops!Atlantis here we come!..

  112. June 20, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Okay, the Jones Act doesn't apply. I will concede that point.But all of these minor points are distractions from the real issue is that there is no stopping this well from spewing oil into the gulf, at least not until August and maybe not even then. There is no real plan on how to manage the situation from the feds and very little sense of urgency from our president to deal with it. Obama says that he is vexed (or words to that affect) by the oil disaster, but it is hard to see that while he is out playing golf (5 times since the Deepwater Horizon blew up) or taking in a White Sox game. His oval office address was more of the same. More of Obama telling us what we already know, more hollow, cold empty words of sympathy and the only emotion he shows is anger at the oil industry. This is what you bargined for liberals: an academic without the capacity to genuinely care, a career understudy to the real workers in whatever field he was in, and a disaffected person with no tangible leadership ability to inspire anyone to do anything. Fortunately, Americans are perceptive enough to sense all of this. 2012 will be a disappointing year for Obama as the preceding four years will be disappointing for all of America.The bright side for Obama is that while he may be a one-term president, he will ALWAYS be the first black president. No one can ever take that away from him.

  113. June 20, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Regardless of how this explosion of the well occurred, of who is to blame (BP, duh) or how involved the ultimate clean up is going to be, I believe that everyone is agreed that stopping the flow of oil out of the well (as well as the surrounding areas that may be fractured) is the most important goal to accomplish, now. Any consideration of "saving the well" needs to be utterly abandoned, as the stopping the oil flow is the most important consideration. How to do this is being argued by many of very smart people, including some Russian scientists who have successfully used controlled nuclear explosions to cap off gas wells in the past. I am very anti-nuclear in the consideration of power generation and as a weapon of mass destruction, but the idea of using nukes to seal off this well appears to merit some serious consideration. With the very sophisticated computer modeling available today, I'm pretty sure scientists could pretty accurately predict how such a move would work. What do you think about using nukes to seal the gusher flowing in the gulf?

  114. June 21, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Why would it have to be a "nuclear" explosion? Would not more conventional methods of creating an explosion work just as well? Could it be that the "nuclear" option is being bandied about because its a way for the U.S. to legitimitize exploding a nuclear device? Might this be a way for the nuclear weapon industry to win some public favor? Are there any figures on how much force is needed to cap this well? Does it REALLY take a nuclear device to do it? And do we really know the chance of it succeeding at stopping the flow? What about other consequences? Any chance it could set off a WORSE flow? Or set off an earthquake or tsunami? If we can't even get the ocean drilling right, after decades of experience, can we really feel confident that using a nuclear bomb for something it was not designed for and with so little experience or research on the matter? I'm no expert, but I'd say it's no better than 50/50 that it mightn't make the situation worse.It sounds so typically bone-headed American to look at some problem and say "just nuke it!" I don't know enough to rule out the nuclear option, but I'm not gonna drink the koolaid on this one either. I see too many people in powerful places who are self-destructive and hardly appreciate it when they harm others in the course of doing their jobs. Maybe its part of our society's collective insanity that we would once again do something self-destructive under the rationale that it was meant to make things better. We hear about such things on an individual basis nearly every night on the news. Look what the Bush administration did to our nation. Screwing up the mess even worse with a nuclear bomb sounds par for THAT course. ..

  115. June 21, 2010 at 2:25 am

    Tent, FYI Obama is not black. He is 50% white and 50% Kenyan.That qualifies him as a mixed race president, and we have had many of those in the past.Obama has no direct ties to slaves or slavery and no ties to black American roots which may have tipped the scales.He is biracial and that is that. You can call him black but calling my Pinto a Cadillac doesn't make it one.Just keeping it real…focusing on facts.

  116. June 21, 2010 at 2:35 am

    Bob! OMG! Great idea! Thanks for passing it on…wow! Just the thought of putting a nuclear bomb over the massive oil leak at 5000lbs per square inch pressure makes me all tingly all over. In fact I felt a tingle run up my leg. (Only you and Obama have been able to do that.)Let's review:1)Irradiate the water and oil and dirt…good!2) Irradiate the wild life…Good3) Blow a huge f*&#ing hole in the bottom of the ocean that we cant get to…perfect4) Copy the Russians…even a better idea.Bob your genius never ceases to amaze me. Be honest now…Are you a nuclear scientist at Diablo Canyon? Come Bob it's time to fess up.I sit in awe.lick my name and it will take you to this story "Detonating nuclear bomb at BP oil spill site could end all life on planet". Enjoy the reading.

  117. June 21, 2010 at 4:12 am

    Wise Guy: You misrepresent my position on environmental regulation. I certainly don't favor eliminating all environmental regulation (emphasis on all!) The problem is "excessive" regulation that unnecessarily burdens business.I have never met anyone who is in favor of "excessive" regulation. Wise Guy, and all the others representing the political left on this site, you certainly also don't favor "excessive" regulation. Of course, the difficulty lies in how to determine what is excessive, a question addressed by "regulatory theory" (see, e.g., the article by Matthew Adler, "Regulatory Theory" University of Pennsylvania Law School, http://lsr.nellco.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1315&context=upenn_wps ). This is not a very developed academic discipline, so that there is no set formula for differentiating between necessary and excessive regulation. It is possible, however, to identify certain aspects that help make the differentiation easier.Perhaps the most important factor is the reason for deciding to regulate a specific behavior, i.e. restrict it. In general the reason is fear. We fear what will happen otherwise, so we impose a regulation. If the fear is irrational, the regulation is obviously excessive. Fear is irrational if the specific behavior which we seek to regulate cannot result in the perceived harm if there is no regulation, and fear is also irrational if the harm is immaterial, anyway. All regulation involves some costs, be it just the cost of disseminating the regulation. Accordingly, a cost/benefits analysis is required in order to determine whether regulating a specific behavior. That by itself is often very complex and not just a question of money. Nor is it a question of just how much administrative effort is involved in order to enforce the regulation. Costs in the broadest sense of the term can also arise, for example, from loss of productivity that the regulated behavior might have generated.A major area in regulatory theory is also the "how" of a regulation. For example: Should a norm simply be published to serve as a standard that, if violated, could lead to criminal penalties or civil damages? Should a permit be required? Should there also be regular monitoring of the behavior? The "how" also involves considerations of "fear" and especially "costs/benefits". What is the probability that the harm will be realized, or is the cure perhaps worse than the bite?So how does that relate to regulation and its effects on business in California? Many businesses, especially manufacturing operations and anything "dirty", i.e. most major industries (steel, mining, chemicals, etc.), are apparently reluctant to invest in California, in part due to what they perceive as excessive regulation compared to other states and countries. This involves not just environmental regulation. I posit that in California we could do away with a lot of regulations which inhibit business without causing any material harm, especially when we consider the fact that regulatory bodies, as is typical for bureaucracies, tend to grow in order to justify their own existence. Combine that force with a lack of rational thinking or do you really think that the stuff coming out of our legislature or the initiative process is always rational? – and there must be a lot of excessive regulation out there.I'm not an environmental expert, but especially the so-called environmentalists have been pretty successful over the last 30-40 years. Whenever some project of any size at all is proposed, it seems that invariably people pop up with environmental arguments which can be boiled down to title of the Marx Brothers hit song "Whatever it is, I'm against it!" That makes great entertainment, but it's a disastrous way to run a state such as California.

  118. June 21, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Wise Guy: In researching the use of nuclear explosions that the Russians have used in capping gas wells, the main reason for using the nuclear device is the old "biggest bang for the buck" or more precisely, more bang for the smallest device. The theory hasn't been computer modeled yet, so there are unknown variables that need to be addressed, but the idea certainly seems to merit investigation, at least.Jerry: If you actually read the article that was linked, completely (I know, there were some big words, it was more than a single page, but humor me) you would have read that the use by the Russians relied on how the nuclear device was buried so that there is very little radiation emitting from the explosion, and by extensive computer modeling, the effects on the three miles of earth between the sea floor and the pool of oil and gas can be studied to see if it would be possible that the well could be safely shut down. I never said that this is the only option or that this is the ultimately "best" solution; I was suggesting that this option be studied to see if there is any viability in this approach; do you have any "better" ideas?

  119. June 21, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    BTR everybody is still waiting for the details for your "plan" to save America's off-shore industry in less than 6 months. You have specifically criticised President Obama's 6 month off-shore drilling moratorium and flatly stated your "plan" would get us back safely drilling in less than 6 months. Fellow Patriots and and a nation in crisis await the details of your important "plan". Yes Mr. Fiction, you have never been proven wrong. I still miss listening to the Dave Cogalton Show on KVEC because your first prediction of him getting fired was right on the money. Yes Mr. Facts-don't-matter, I wonder what good ol' Dave is doing this days, if only he had listened to your sage advice and changed his ways. You are such a respected kingmaker Mr. Lies, I shiver when I think about all your inside knowledge of the radio industry. Yes Mr. What Facts?, it is comforting to know that you are as knowledgeable about politics and the world in general, as you are about Dave's employment status with KVEC.

  120. June 21, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Only Wrong Guy would think of the proposal to explode a nuke as somehow a stimulus plan for the nuke industry.Completely and utterly idiotic.They don't make morons any bigger than Wrong guy.

  121. June 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    February 13th, 2010 – Obama's date of InfamyThis is the smoking gun Obama and his ilk feared.It seems incomprehensible that Obama and other members of the administration still have your jobs when it is now being reported that the federal government was apprised by BP on February 13th that the Deepwater Horizon oil rig was leaking oil and natural gas into the ocean floor. In fact according to documents in Obama's own department's files (MMS) you knew that BP was fighting large cracks at the base of the well for roughly ten days back before the spring thaw had arrived. Further it seems Obama was also apprised six weeks prior to the rig's fatal explosion that killed eleven of her workers, when a smart guy from Berkley, you know the global capital of intellectualism, announced to the world a near miss on the rig by stating, "They damn near blew up the rig." It's also now being reported it appears that BP was asking for Obama's help on this matter long before the deadly accident and the now gushing well of tar.As a matter of fact it appears they told you on February 13th, and desired your help.Mr. President, you have no leadership experience and it appears you have even less skill. Being a good dad and nice guy who sees the world as he wishes it to be is not exactly a resume of exacting leadership. http://townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2010/06/20/february_13th,_2010_-_obamas_date_of_infamy?page=full&comments=truehttp://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/19/bp-disaster-started-in-february/Read this one! Obama blew this and it will be his end!http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-17/bp-struggled-with-cracks-in-gulf-well-as-early-as-february-documents-show.html

  122. June 21, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Okay, Chris. Then I consider you inflammatory and irresponsible for going public and railing against environmental regulation and demonizing California but offering no specifics as to what regulations you want eliminated. Instead, you simply fan the flames of misdirected anger and contempt for our government and our environment. It is people like YOU and your inflammatory generalizations who discourage businesses from operating in California. If you want to talk specifics, go ahead. But as it is, YOUR pronouncements and complaints suggest that as far as environmental safeguards it is you who are in the "whatever it is I'm against it" camp. In this nation it is inevitable that at least one state has the toughest environmental protection standards. It seems wholly appropriate that that state is California, as state with so much worth protecting, with a citizenry that highly values healthy food, water and air and the health and safety of our children. If California is a leader in environmental protection, I see that as something good. Businesses that can't hang with that can locate elsewhere. On the other hand, businesses that value that will be most welcome. California remains such an attractive place to live, that it will inspire the greatest business leaders to step up to the challenge and forge businesses that can prosper in a state that places a high priority on health, safety and environmental protections.Califonia's history of environmental leadership is a good thing and will continue to help attract the best and brightest to our state. As a state we needn't grovel and whore ourselves by catering to the dirty, destructive and poisonous elements. Environmental protection is one of the best investments a state or region can make. Ask the folks in the Gulf about that. Are they glad that environmental regulations were lax enough to attract the business of BP?

  123. June 21, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Hey Mr. Fiction, what is Dave doing since he was fired from KVEC? You predicted it multible times and you are "100%" right about your facts. So, Dave must have found himself without a job a long time ago. Didn't Dave consider you his friend? You used to be a regular on his show, so he must have considered you a friend,right? Too bad Dave no longer has a show that you can appear on to share your wisdom with the world. I bet that you and Dave are still great friends, everybody knows how pleasent it is to be friends with a great man like you. Dave is a lucky man to have a tolerant and loyal friend like you. Everybody loves a guy who always tells you his opinion and lets everybody know they are wrong if they don't share his opinion. Everybody loves the corpulent fellow who is "100%" right about everything. All I need to know about you Mr. Fiction, is that you think you know everything and you are never wrong. The fact you think you know everything and that you have never been wrong, tells me all I need to know about the level of your intelligence.

  124. June 21, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    bOB SAID:"do you have any "better" ideas?"Yes. Send Obama back to WH parties, basketball events and the golf courses and put Bobby Jindal in charge.Obama has no interest in sealing off the leak…There is no way he would ever waste such a crisis.Wake up!

  125. June 21, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    British Petroleum’s (BP) reputation has been marred by the April oil rig explosion and subsequent oil spill which is still gushing more than 40 days later. But according to The Washington Post, the reputation of some left-wing environmental groups has also been polluted by the incident.“[T]he Nature Conservancy lists BP as one of its business partners. The Conservancy also has given BP a seat on its International Leadership Council and has accepted nearly $10 million in cash and land contributions from BP and affiliated corporations over the years,” Joe Stephens wrote for the Post May 24.It’s not just Nature Conservancy either, the Post found $2 million in donations to Conservation International and relationships between BP and other lefty activist groups Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), Sierra Club and Audubon.And one has to look no further than Earth Day 2010 to see the corporate fingerprint on so-called green activist efforts. Major U.S. corporations like Proctor & Gamble, Siemens, Wells Fargo, AT&T, UPS, Philips and Ford all had a major presence at the so-called Earth Day “Climate Rally” on the National Mall back on April 25. That’s in addition to a sponsorship from NASA, a federal government entity and media outlets, including The Washington Post and Gannett’s USA Today.Shame shame shame! The enviro-statists don't give a crap about the economy. For the then the environment is only a new way to amass power & money. What a scam!And the whole while Obama is in bed with George Soros and Petrobras! Crooks the lot of then!

  126. June 21, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    On his first day in office, January 20, 2009, President Barack Obama issued a statement on the White House Web site promising Gulf Coast residents that his administration would not fail them like he accused his predecessor President George W. Bush.Eighteen months later, those arrogant words are coming back to haunt Obama as the Gulf Coast is facing the third month of failure by Obama to marshall sufficient resources to protect the region from the massive BP oil spill. “President Obama will keep the broken promises made by President Bush to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. He and Vice President Biden will take steps to ensure that the federal government will never again allow such catastrophic failures in emergency planning and response to occur.”Politico reported the statement the day it was posted to a White House page titled “Additional Issues.”Since then, the White House has edited the comment to remove the personal insult to President Bush.Is The Post channeling the White House view that that the oil spill has now been reduced to “cable news chatter” and a Web cam of the leak so the administration can now turn its attention away from the millions of Americans on the Gulf Coast whose lives and businesses have been ruined?It would appear so.“Never again,” promised Obama on his first day in office. Never again.How can anyone support this buffoon?

  127. June 21, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Well, of course environmentalists want "money and power." So what? More power and money to them! It's about time this happens. It's called "bringing things into balance." Is that supposed to be a crime?Suddenly the maniac "conservative" fringe is all concerned and warning about people accumulating "money and power.' Are these people insane, or what?..

  128. June 21, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    This astute observation from SLO county local businessman Tom Murray:Dear friends,Tuesday will be a special election for state senate. The Governor called this election after appointing Abel Maldonado to Lieutenant Governor. Ata cost of over three million dollars to us Sacramento insiders called this election to avoid a large turnout in the regular election and enhance his boy Blakeslee’s chances. Blakeslee faces John Laird, a Monterey County Democrat, former assemblyman, mayor, community college trustee.There are a few things you should know about Blakeslee, former oil man, Wall Street investment manager and political chameleon. To begin hiscareer in politics he advanced the so-called “dream initiative”. It was a dream because it meant nothing, had no opposition and gave himunearned political capital. At Cuesta College while he was a trustee, the school began a long slide which resulted in morale problems amongstaff, problems in the community which resulted in its failure to pass a bond. and finally culminate in the accreditation being called into question. He then drank the “no tax” Kool Aid to become Republicanleader. He is a political opportunist of the worst sort.In Sacramento he has voted repeatedly to dismantle what was once the premier educational system in the nation so his Wall Street buddies don’t have to share. Now we spend about as much as Mississippi.Meanwhile he refuses to support an oil severance tax. California is the only state that gives oil companies a windfall like this. He has chosenbig oil over the future of this state.Blakeslee is an environmentalist till he’s not, and supporter of education till he’s not and by the hypocritical votes taken, a faux good guy till he’s not.Laird on the other hand has stood up for the environment and education even when it has been the hard thing to do. I heard him on Congalton theother day and he is a straight shooter who gave honest answers and avoided weasel words.This election is critical. The turnout will be extremely low and every vote will count. The pigs at the trough are counting on progressives not showing up to get their boy past this primary with 50+% of the vote.They will then destroy California in order to preserve their privileged positions. Vote Tuesday. Vote for John Laird. It will be the biggest little election you will ever vote in. ..

  129. June 22, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Hey Jerry-Mr.100%-Kickass-January20-Shame, tell me again what is Dave doing since he was fired form KVEC? You are never wrong! What is Dave doing in your fantasy world? You live in a different reality where Fox News reports actual facts and Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney are competent leaders. What is Dave doing now that he has been fired in your vivid imagination? What is your life like in your bizarro world? I bet you are married to Morgan Fairchild and are having a thing on the side with Michelle Bachman. Yes Jerry, you are real credible, I really respect your opinion and I need to hear more of your crazy ideas……and keep changing the labels of your posts, we are all fooled and can't tell which ones are from you. Where's that "plan" BTR? I'm beginning to think you don't really have a "plan" and that you are just stupidly throwing mud at the President like I suggested long ago on this thread. You claimed you weren't just opposing the President, you claimed you had thought out your postion, you claimed you had a "plan". Well, here's your chance BTR, lay out your "plan". I really want to hear what kind of an oil industry expert you really are. C'mon BTR, prove you are smarter than all the other big-mouth, dumbshit Republicans who just shoot their mouths off about where the President is screwing up, but fail to offer a plan of their own. You said you had a "plan", lets hear it….Drill,Baby,Drill…Drill,Baby,Drill…..

  130. June 23, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Hey ex-GOPer, I don't need to have a plan! I am just another member of the voting public. Obama? Now that guy, as President of the United States, needs to have a plan. But he doesn't have one. He has thousands of (overly)high paid government employees working for him and he DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN! He is just standing back and watching what BP does and then he monday-morning quarterbacks, snipes and bitches about things. That's not leadership. That's not having a plan. That's juvenille high school kind of stuff.And that 6-month ban that I said was an arbitrary number? Well, I am not alone in that opinion. The US Court of Appeals for New Orleans found for the plantiffs in the oil servicing industry that the 6-month moritorium is exactly that, an arbitrary number. The Dept of the Interior failed to provide any rationale or reasoning behind the number and said that the moritorium "stretched the bounds of common sense". The Obama Administration said they will appeal, but that is what losers always say when they lose in court.Okay, the score is now Big Tent Republican 1, ex-GOPer, nothing.

  131. June 23, 2010 at 7:45 am

    More blatant contradictions from the maniacal extremist "conservatives." On the one hand they complain that President Obama is playing out a strategy to "not let a crisis go to waste" regarding the BP oil spill. On the other hand, they say President Obama "has no plan." In the meantime the "conservatives" stubbornly and perversely continue trying to push forward their own disjointed, continually failing and destructive policies as they try to fulfill the Rush Limbaugh doctrine of sowing chaos in our nation and working to see that the positive intentions of the majority of voters in the United States, as expressed in their election of President Obama, "fail." "Failure" seems to be the only thing Republicans are comfortable with these days. Even in the midst of the BP spill, the GOP's most pressing agenda seems to be pushing for more offshore oil drilling. The Republican Party, more obvious than ever, is bankrupt of positive ideas and leadership, and thus it keeps pushing the same, tired, regressive, destructive agenda. Maniacal "conservatives" don't have a clue as to what else to do with themselves. The modern world is passing them by as they continue to sing the same old song: "Drill Baby Drill", their defacto pledge of allegiance to the oil corporations…

  132. June 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Pasted below is your exact words from a June 16 post from you." How is th 6-month moritorium on new drilling keeping anyone safe if the existing wells continue to be drilled? My plan would be more comprehensive and probably be done quicker."See that BTR? Can you recall what you wrote? Did you write this? Can you read? You said you had a "plan". I asked you specific questions about your "plan" and I laid out my own experience working for the oil industry for almost 30 years. So far, you have not answered any of my questions. All you seemed to offer is criticism of the President. You are no different than Sarah Palin, you just parrott the company line without any independent thoughts or ideas. I'm embarrassed for you BTR. Drill,Baby,Drill…Drill,Baby,Drill..

  133. June 23, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Ex-Republican:You're totally right. And I feel stupid now that I realize I accused Obama of being a Monday morning quarterback when that is exactly what I have been doing my entire tenure on the Dave Congalton message board. I apologize for my hypocrisy.

  134. June 24, 2010 at 3:48 am

    I got to ge something off my chest: That wasn't BTR that posted a his apology for being hypocrite. That was me. I thought I was being funny by taking his name and postng what I did. For that deception, I am truly sory and I apologize.While I am confessing my soul here, I have something else to confess. I have never voted for any Republican in any election. I have always voted Democratic and I am a life-long liberal. I have been lying this entire time about my political affiliation as a means of trying to further discredit anyone that takes up a conservative position on this blog. Again, I apology for my deception.

  135. June 24, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    "ExRepub" seems to think this is group therapy. Funny. We all knew he was nothing but a mendacious liar.This kind of frustration has over taken all liberals and it escalates the more Obama's approval ratings plummet and the more he continues to screw up everything he touches.(new NBC poll shows Obama's approval rating at the lowest level in his tenure and dropping every month)Hotline can refer you to legitimate counseling service Ex. We all wish you the best.

  136. June 24, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Poor ol' Jerry up to his little games again. He wasn't satisfied just posting under multible different names, he has to now start using BTR's name and my name. Thanks Jerry for showing everybody how truly disturbed you really are. I must have hurt your fragile ego to point out just one obvious instance where you were horribly wrong. That's too bad for you, the less embarrassing thing to do next time is to console yourself by stuffing your face with comfort food and pork rinds instead of creating obvious phony posts and attaching other people's names to them. Do you remember how your hatred and clownish behaviour got you kicked off this blog before? It must really be hard for you to see Dave's show continue to be a success here on the beautiful central coast? Poor Jerry, after all those bold proclamations about how Dave was going to be fired, Dave is still here, more popular than ever. Poor Jerry, having to live in that hell hole in Arizona after failing to make it here in beautiful SLO. Poor, pathetic Jerry. Drill,Baby,Drill…right Jerry

  137. June 24, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    "Hotline can refer you to legitimate counseling service Ex. We all wish you the best." Wow. Jerry is giving advice on where to get counseling? Sadly, he probably doesn't even get the paradox to what he has just proposed …If you have a handle that you like to use here as an identifier so that we know it is you that is using that handle, click on the link underneath the "Choose an identity", the one that says "No Google Account?", sign up here, which is a link to take you to create your own personal handle that will show up here with the blue lettering that can only be used by you because you have to sign in each time with your email you use to obtain your handle, and a password that you chose to sign in with. It isn't terribly difficult, and once you do it, no one can "steal" your identity here again.Jerry: When I suggested that investigating the use of nuclear technology as a means of sealing the oil volcano in the Gulf, you immediately derided my suggestion, so I asked you for a suggestion; you replied by stating you would put Governor Jindal in charge; how does that seal off the oil? Has he stated that he knows how to seal the well? Why doesn't he speak up now if he knows how to do so? But then again, I am attempting to try and engage you with logic, silly me. Really, what do you propose to do to seal the well?

  138. June 24, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Regarding Obama's poll numbers:They have to be viewed in relation to all the factors. According to today's NBC poll, 40 percent of Americans blame George Bush for the sad state of the U.S. economy, compared to 27 percent who blame Obama. The true test will come when we get close to the 2012 election and voters have a chance to compare declared candidates. By then you will likely see that Obama's numbers will outshine his opponent's. If an election were held today, there isn't any Republican who could beat Obama. That is not likely to change by 2012. The chance of Obama losing to a Republican in 2012 is miniscule and anyone who thinks otherwise is not being realistic. If I was a betting man, I would have no hesitancy betting against any Republican, and would be tempted to give 2 to 1 odds, but wouldn't need to because the delusions of "conservatives" would make them an easy mark, and they might be so deluded as to give ME 2 to 1 odds.I'm pretty sure that anyone reading this will never see another Republican elected president in his or her lifetime unless there are radical changes within the Republican party and the crooks who pull the strings are finally thrown in jail and the party rejects the insanity epitomized by the likes of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin and Fox News. When voters have a chance to compare Obama with any serious Republican candidate you will see that Obama will, without a doubt, shine in comparison. Bear in mind that I'm talking about comparing with a true, officially declared Republican presidential candidate. Until then, we are comparing apples and oranges. We are more likely to see a third party president than a Republican president in our lifetimes. Only a candidate more progressive than Obama will have any chance to win in 2012, and that would be a long shot, but the world is changing fast, so who knows…

  139. June 25, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Okay, so now we are back to square one with this spill. BP piloted their robot to knock the cap off the well for some reason… I think it was crystals or something was forming. Anyhow, now the hole in the ocean is spewing oil into the water as fast as it ever was.My question: WTF? What could be worse than millions of gallons of oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico unabated? This is the kind of event that gives conspiracy kooks fodder to think that this was done on purpose."I have almost 30 years of experience as a vendor to the Oil industry, I've worked on and around land-based and off-shore drilling rigs, production rigs, refineries and tankers. I know how complex and profit driven these companies are. I know how complex and diverse the problems they face when drilling wells. They are very concerned with safety but they get less careful if they think a competitor is getting a business advantage over them. You don't know what the hell you are talking about BTR."Ok, Ex-GOPer, I admit, I don't have a plan. But then again, I am not perpetrating myself as an oilman with 30 years of experience like you did. So, ex-GOPer, put your money where your mouth is and tell us, with all of your oil industry experience, what the answer is. You're so freakin' smart, educate us and tell us in detail what is involved with inspecting the safety of a drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico trying to drill a mile down. Educate us on the science of oil drilling and the particular hazards that need to be addressed to ensure that our oil industry is safe. Tell us, oh most knowledgeable one, what it will take to prevent another Deepwater Horizon incident from occuring. I think you have been getting off easy while you sit and chastize me and others. You have done NOTHING but criticize us for criticizing this administration's lack of a plan. Well, here's your chance, big guy. You can set us all straight on what is going on, why it is happening informed by your 30 years of experience, or you can continue to be the vaccuous administration mouthpiece and sychophant that Bob and Wrong Guy obviously are. I want science, I want engineering-level details and I want it from a purely analytical point of view, not your eco-communist, "I hate the oil industry" pallaver that we regularly get from you.Otherwise, you can shut up about "plans", Mr. Oil Man.Well, we're waiting, Mr. Oil Expert.

  140. June 25, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    How about this plan:Create a U.S. government oil company that takes over all oil U.S. oil leases as they expire and uses all "profits" to fund health care. The agency would be charged with developing the most efficient and environmentally responsible techniques and technology, which will be exported to other nations, creating further income to benefit U.S. taxpayers. We appoint a team comprised of Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Al Gore to oversee the agency…

  141. June 26, 2010 at 3:29 am

    And you claim you are NOT a communist-socialist, Wrong Guy? Is your real name Hugo Chavez? Because that is EXACTLY what Hugo Chavez is doing in Venzuela. Fact is that under Chavez and his Marzism, their oil production has DECREASED, their GDP has DECREASED and the standard of living for all Venesuelans has DECREASED. Wrong Guy is the most dangerous person on this blog with his insane, delusional, fantasy hallucinations. Ex-Republican, it has been 24 hours. What is taking you so long to create your educated response built from your 30 years in the oil business? Are you conducting exhaustive research to make sure you get it right? Are you crafting a complete thought that will span 3 or 4 posts to cover all the important safety points one must look at when inspecting an oil rig? Or are you just cooking up another pot of your vitriolic bullshit that will try to mask the fact that you are a LIAR and full of crap?Well, Mr Oil Man, we're still waiting. Until then…(Yeah, that's right)… drill, baby, drill!

  142. June 26, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    BTR said about me, " I want it from a purely analytical point of view, not your eco-communist, "I hate the oil industry" pallaver that we regularly get from you." Me an "eco-communist"? When did I say "I hate the oil industry"? The Oil industry has put a lot of food on my table. What I said BTR is that I agree with the 6 month moratorium on new deep water wells until we know what the hell happened and how to prevent it from happening in the future. Did I say I had a "plan"? No I never claimed that I did, I'm not that stupid. I did say I have 30 years experience working as a vendor for the oil industry and that is not a lie. What do you want to know BTR? You want to know about draw works motors or mud pumps? You want to know how a production rig operates? You want to know the difference between the production level and the drilling level on an off-shore rig? You want to know what a jack-up rig is? How about the difference between a crew boat and a supply boat? Do you want to know how to moor an Oil Tanker in an off-shore berth? Do you want to know the laws about having assist Tugs on Tankers when they are approaching US ports? I bet you want to know how the Coast Guard deals with foriegned flagged tankers? Do you want to know how to keep a mud-pump from throwing the belt when it is driven by multible engines? Do you want to know when our government started allowing Alaskan oil to be shipped and sold to Asian countries instead of being used domestically? I can tell you all those those things and share my other knowledge from working for the oil companies as a vendor for almost 30 years. But you have to narrow your request because I have a lot of knowledge and experience to share. This may even surprise you BTR, I even worked down there in Louisiana, I've been to the shit hole communities of Venice, Houma, Golden Meadow, LaRose, Morgan city, Cameron, Fuchon, Dulac…..on and on. I've seen the signs "you are know entering David Duke country(former Grand Wizard of the KKK and proud Republican)". I've had to do business with those Coon Ass Rednecks down there. I have probably forgotten more about the oil industry than you will ever know BTR and I'm telling you that the moratorium on new wells is a good thing until we know what the hell happened. If you don't have a plan, if you don't know how the blow out happened and how to prevent it, shut up? Just shut up, BTR. You admitted you don't really have a "plan", you are just shooting off your mouth about something you don't know anything about. You are a typical Fox News viewer, you hate what the President is doing but you don't know why.p.s.- this last post sounds more like your voice than the embarrassing phony Jerry Dagna created apology a few days ago. How did you feel about your comrade posting an apology for you? Drill,Baby,Drill…..Drill,Baby,Drill

  143. June 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Big Tent, why are you so pessimistic and down on Americans that you think America cannot perform better than Venezuela? Your continual defeatist attitude makes a very sad statement. I happen to still have confidence in Americans and the potential of the United States to rise-above its current problems and progress in new and wonderful ways and be a beacon of hope for others throughout the world.The continual negative, defeatist, anti-American, anti-government rhetoric and attitudes coming from "conservatives" and Republicans continues to rip our nation apart and set us up for defeat on many fronts. Fortunately, more and more Americans recognize the destructive, debilitating attitudes and ideologies of the "conservative" movement and are refusing to allow themselves to wallow in that mess. I and hundreds of millions of others are proud to be Americans and refuse to succumb to the defeatist, destructive, wasteful and deadly infection known as modern "conservatism" and other rot that ferments under the Republican Party banner. We cannot afford, at this critical time especially, to let something like the BP Gulf oil spill to demoralize our citizens and resign us to a future of mediocrity and whiney, mean-spirited, selfish "conservative"/Republican desperation.It's time that Americans come together and revive the "can-do" attitude that has helped America achieve all the greatness it has been renowned for…

  144. June 26, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    I gave you narrow parameters when I called out your 30 years of experience. I said ( and I am pulling this from my own post) "You're so freakin' smart, educate us and tell us in detail what is involved with inspecting the safety of a drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico trying to drill a mile down. Educate us on the science of oil drilling and the particular hazards that need to be addressed to ensure that our oil industry is safe. Tell us, oh most knowledgeable one, what it will take to prevent another Deepwater Horizon incident from occuring."There? That narrow enough? Tell us three things, (from your vast experience): What is involved during a safety inspection of a drilling platform, especially one going a mile down?What are the hazards of drilling that far down?What is needed to prevent a future Deepwater Horizon from occurring again?Three things, not all that extraneous bullshit you tossed out there. I never asked about docking a tanker or mud pumps or a mud pump throwing a belt or any of that distracting crap. If that is you experience with the oil industry, then your "experience" is just as worthwhile as my no experience at all. Apparently, you think that it is okay to have a dentist consult on a liver transplant with a surgeon. Well, they both are "doctors", right? They both have "experience" dealing with blood and patients and stuff. So, who is shooting their mouth off? Me with no experience or you with completely irrelevant experience? The answer is obviously both of us, but what is new on this blog? Since you have no applicable experience germane to this topic, maybe you tell me what will keep the 33 rigs (and 120,000 jobs) in the gulf of mexico from leaving for say, Brazil and Petrobras, if Obama is allowed to impose a six-month moritorium? Nothing will. You say that th oil industry put food on your table but yet you wish to deny other guys, roughnecks I think they are called, from putting food on their tables. Selfish, thy name is Ex-goper, the guy who sent 30 years in the oil industry to be just as dumb as a guy who has zero time in the oil industry when it comes to this spill.With that "apology" that sounded like you with your last comments. I don't know who did it, but I don't apprciate it.

  145. June 27, 2010 at 1:59 am

    OOps,labeled myself Ex-president by mistake on my last post, sorry about that. Not sorry that it took about 24 hours to answer you BTR. I have a business to run and I don't have the time to hang on your every post. Besides BTR, it was 11 days ago you claimed you had a "plan" to save the new deep water well drilling industry and it was 10 days since I asked for the details of your plan. Since then I have asked multible times for the details of your "plan". After 10 days and all those requests, you finally had to admit you had no plan. Big suprise to everybody who regularly reads this blog, you made another false claim….Too bad you had to wait 24 hours for my response but it is better than the 10 days I had to wait to hear you finally admit what we all already knew, you have no plan and no new ideas. This is why the modern Republican party is the Party-of-no…no new ideas, no plans ,no facts, no clue. Drill, baby, drill.

  146. June 27, 2010 at 3:05 am

    If only we had a Hugo Chavez or a Evo Morales or even better, a Constitution such as Bolivia's. Instead the US invades at will destroying any semblance of democracy in its wake in creating a world safe for its corporate masters while eliminating any vestige of equality or workers rights.

  147. June 27, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    BTR, when did I say I had a "plan"? You said you had a "plan", not me. I said I know how complex drilling a well is and that we need the moratorium to find out what exactly happened and how to prevent it from happening again. You shot your mouth off about your "plan" for "top down inspections" that would have us drilling again in less than 6 months. Lets get this straight you lied about having a "plan" and I called you on your lie. You are the one who looks stupid here and now you are embarrassed. Because you are embarrassed about being caught in a lie you are lashing out at the person who caught you in the lie. Too bad for you BTR, you are a liar and I trapped you with your own lie. I never claimed I was an expert in deep water drilling. You claimed you were expert enough to implement a plan that would save the industry. I never did. I do know something about drill ships. The Deepwater Horizon was techinically a ship. Off-shore wells are generally first drilled with drill ships then, if the well shows promise, they shunt in the well and build platforms over the well. Then they drill out the shunt, open the well and begin production. Drill ships can be foreign flagged or US flagged. If they are US flagged then they must be certified and inspected by the US coast guard. USCG certified vessels have to be put into dry dock at scheduled times for hull inspections and must be inspected annually for things such as fire extingushers, life-vests… etc. etc….There's a big difference between the annual top-side inspection and the Hull inspection. The USCG has no control over inspection of foreign flagged vessels. The USCG can only regulate a foreign flagged vessels ability to operate in our coastal waters. You see this is a very complex issue BTR, one that you obviously don't understand. Little Bobby Jindahl dosen't seem to understand it and neither does Sarah Palin. You all are just trying to make political points at the expense of our national security. While your kind is busy throwing mud at the President, he is busy doing the best he can to handle this crisis. And I have for more knowledge and experience in this field than you ever will. The President is correct in trying to impose the moratorium and the rest of you Wing-nuts need to stand back and let him do the job Americans elected him to do….Drill,Baby,Drill…drill,baby,drill

  148. June 27, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    SO ex-goper, you admit you bring NOTHING to the table as well since you chose to rehash 10-day old stuff instead of demostrating your vastly superior 30-year experience with the oil industry. Is this just your attempt to change the subject back to me and my zero years of experience with the oil industry off of your lack of any insight on this BP disaster despite all the shit you talked at my expense? I think so.Just another liberal blow hard throwing stones from the porch of his glass house.And just like the New Orleans appellate judge said "Case no proven"Drill, baby, drill….oh, Winston Smith… you sound more like O'Brien than Winton Smith. Actually you dound like you ARE Big Brother the way you so quickly embrace the tyrannts at home and abroad. I bet you think that 2 + 2 is actually 5, don't you?

  149. June 27, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Big Tent, I think you are wrong on many accounts, irresponsible with your comments, and owe Winston Smith and Ex-Republican huge apologies. And of course you owe President Obama many apologies, as you continue to insult him despite you showing no evidence whatsoever that he has done anything to harm our nation. The more good President Obama tries to do for our nation, the more responsibility that he carries on his shoulders, the more power he exerts, the more you seem to despise him and want him to fail on his mission. Big Tent continually seems to be oblivious to the fact that the major problems our President is dealing with—regarding war, the economy and the BP oil spill—are not problems that he created, but were thrust upon him and have their root causes intertwined with modern "conservative" and Republican policies and crimes. As for Winston and Ex-Republican, I recommend that they don't bother responding to Big Tent's "points". As far as I can tell, out of some perversity, Big Tent wants our government to fail and our nation to fall into chaos simply so he can say "I told you so" and feel good about himself and his self-destructive, defeatist, pessimistic attitude toward our nation, its citizens and life in general. Rational, balanced people have no problem seeing how misguided are the notions espoused by Big Tent REPUBLICAN.Of course this is not to say that the modern Democratic Party is a party of heroes. Far from it. Both parties lean toward fascism, but it seems its the overbearing weight of the Republicans that bears the primary responsibility for leaning our nation that way. And certainly it is the "conservatives" who show the least respect for, and are most likely to call for policies that harm, our environment. Look at all the Republicans who continue to bow at the feet of our world's most destructive oil corporations! Furthermore, its sickening to see any "conservatives" relishing that our nation's shaky economy is fomenting scapegoat hate against immigrants despite there being no conclusive evidence that immigrants, legal or otherwise, are doing anything to harm our economy. In fact, there remains a strong case that illegal immigrants BOLSTER our nation's economy…

  150. June 28, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Saturday, June 26, 2010Oil Industry Lobbied Against Blow-Out Preventer by Len Hart, The Existentialist CowboyFive hundred grand is chicken feed for the likes of BP/HALLIBURTON. That's how much a blow-out preventer would have cost BP. But the U.S. oil industry 'lobbied' against laws mandating their use.In psychotic denial, BP asserts its innocence; oil giants remain united against regulations of any type requiring that they be responsible, regulations that would in fact require them to pay damages as a result of incompetence, greed or indifference! This record is unconscionable and follows from a lie called "corporate personhood' –an evil, pernicious doctrine recently espoused and 'made law' by the U.S. Supreme Court.If 'corporations' were truly 'persons' as the 'Supreme' court has said they are, then BP and Halliburton would have already been arrested, charged, jailed and awaiting trial on numerous charges. Perhaps it is not too late to lock them all up –board chairman, members of the board, voting stockholders! Lock them all up!Five ideologues who presume to 'judge' us are, I believe, bought and paid for by a handful of corporations who presume to own the world. I can think of no other explanation for the worst decision since Bush v Gore and Dred-Scott. If the rule of law is to be restored, the current SCOTUS must be expunged, reformed, by revolution if need be! Lock up the corporate criminals on the U.S. 'high' court!http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/

  151. June 28, 2010 at 5:06 am

    Bluster all you want BTR, you can't change reality. You lied and I forced you to admit you lied. You never had a "plan" for new deep water drilling. I said you had no plan. I said you were just criticising the President without the knowledge to form a wise opinion. I even pointed out where you contradicted yourself on this thread. I proved my knowledge of this subject, you nor anybody else has been able to prove that anything I've said is wrong. You lied, I forced you to admit it. I proved you are a typical party-of-no Republican, you have nothing to offer except criticism. You have no facts, no ideas, no plans, no clue…..nothing, you have nothing but empty insults and slogans. You are now shamed and embarrased. You don't even seem to be upset that Jerry offered a false apology using your name. You never did say if you were embarrassed by that BTR. Why is that BTR? Don't you think that was embarrassing? Drill,Baby,Drill..Sarah Palin in 2012

  152. June 28, 2010 at 5:10 am

    Let's see, I think it was Jerry posting under one of his "clever" identities when I asked what he would do to solve the BP disaster, he stated that he would put Governor Bobby Jindal in charge since he apparently "knows" what to do, "how" to do it all, and most of all, he would "take action". Not quite; seems the good Governor hasn't even deployed the Louisiana National Guard yet; curious for someone who will "take action", no?

  153. June 28, 2010 at 11:16 am

    I don't have any clue why you refuse to put forth your 30 years of experience and explain it all for us just how safety on oil rigs should be inspected and why exactly it takes a nice round even number like 180 days to do it? Why do you continue to focus on irrelevant things like whether or not I had a "plan"? Why are you denying the world your 30 years of wisdom by distracting everyone with trivia? Its because you have no plan, no knowledge, no insights, no experience. You are a liar of the first order. I may not have had a plan, per se. My "plan" as you refer to it, was to just have experts inspect the rigs for safety. You are that expert and yet you wish to crow about my plan or lack thereof. You are worse than a liar; you're a fraud. A perpetrator with NOTHING to back up your empty, hollow, meaningless drival that mascarades as "thought".Thank God you are out of the Republican Party. You would be a blight on us all with your deceit and deceptions.

  154. June 28, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Yes Downtown, little Bobby Jindahl is doing nothing more than going form photo-op to photo-op, pretending he is doing something and bad-mouthing the federal government. The dumb-ass was even caught on camera lying about the Federal Government preventing him from deploying his own national guard troops. Little Bobby is just as much a joke as Sarah Palin, W. Bush and Joe-the-Plummber. Fox News keeps promoting Buffoons as competent leaders. The real problem in our country is that Morons can't think for themselves and they buy the crap that Fox shovels at them. What people like Jerry and BTR should do, instead spending their time arguing against reality, is just concentrate on apologizing to BP. Just like Republican Rep.'s Burton and Bachman, they need to grovel at BP's feet and beg for forgiveness because our President made BP commit $20 Billion towards the damages BP caused from BP's mistakes. Yes, Jerry and BTR need to support Michelle Bachman as she tears down the President for making BP finacially responsible for their own mistake. That is what Jerry, BTR and the Republican party is reduced to, they are so invested in hating President Obama, they apologize to a careless foreign company that is responsible for causing the worst evironmental disaster in our nation's history. Just another example of Wing-nuts siding with someone who has harmed our country. It started back when Rush and Hannity criticised Clinton for trying to bomb and kill Bin Laden. Those two bastards spent days and weeks whining and screaming "no war for Monica". Osama Bin Laden had no bigger friends in those days than Rush, Sean and the nutty Republican's that followed them. Too bad those Dumb-asses never learn from their past mistakes. Drill,Baby,Drill….Sarah Palin 2012

  155. June 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Did I say we would be able to go back to safely drilling at the end of the 6 month moratorium? Did I say I had a "plan" that would complete "top down" inspections on deep-water drill ships? No,not me. I said I worked for the oil industry for 30 years, I've worked for them in many different divisions. Let's do this BTR, or Jerry, or whatever the hell your name is (you don't seem bothered that Jerry issued an apology on your behalf), cut and paste a statement I made on this thread where I was "fraudulent". Paste a statement from me where you proved I wasn't exactly what I said I was. Paste a statement where I said I was an expert, or that I had a plan for inspecting deep-water drill ships. If you are so sure of yourself….do it…or offer another apology for lying on this thread. It is very easy, look I will show you how it's done. Here's your post from Wednesday June 16." How is th 6-month moritorium on new drilling keeping anyone safe if the existing wells continue to be drilled? My plan would be more comprehensive and probably be done quicker." You clearly stated you had a plan, hence the words, "My plan". I forced you to admit you didn't really have a plan. I forced you to admit you lied. I challenge you to find evidence I claimed I was an "expert" on inspecting Deep-water drill ships. Or that I claimed I had a plan to get us back drilling within a specific time frame. Prove that I'm a liar BTR or Jerry or whatever you are….Drill,Baby,Drill,….Sarah/Joe-the-Plumber 2012

  156. June 29, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Okay, I'm trying to keep up with a lunatic here so bear with me: you say that you have 30 years of experience in the oil industry but you are not qualified to use any of that experience to offer any insights into why "my plan" is unsound? Is that what you are saying? Sure sounds like it to me. SO why then did you ever say that you have 30 years of experience in the oil industry? What does that do for your argument if you are just as inexperienced as I am in the oil industry. Where your fraudulance lies is that you provide a credential ("30 years of experience in the oil industry") as a means of discrediting me ("you don't know what you are talking about, BTR"). So, NO, you will never get an apology from me because you have perpetrated yourself as someone who knows something about the oil industry, which you have said time and again that you don't. Hence your fraud.Oh, and by the way, I know that jerry didn't issue an "apology" in my name. That wasn't jerry nor did it even sound like Jerry. It did sound like some whinny, bitchy liberals I know on this blog. That's why you probably did it, ex-goper.

  157. June 29, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Jerry posted that fake apology and he admitted it. Here's the quote:"I got to ge something off my chest: That wasn't BTR that posted a his apology for being hypocrite. That was me." See his own words posted under my name. If you don't recognize this as Jerry Dagna, then you are just denying reality. Anybody who knows the history of this blog, knows this how Jerry operates. You have your head in the sand or somewhere else if you think this wasn't Jerry Dagna. On the other subject….how many time do we have to do this….shit…seriously BTR you are a beauty….YOU CLAIMED YOU HAD A PLAN!!!!!! YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN!!!!!!!!! YOU NEVER HAD A PLAN!!!!! YOU ADMITTED YOU NEVER HAD A PLAN!!!!!! I NEVER CLAIMED I WAS AN EXPERT IN DEEP-WATER DRILLING!!!!! I WAS RIGHT WHEN I SAID YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT….YOU ADMITTED IT…YOU CONFESSED…YOU SAID YOU HAVE "NO PLAN" AND "ZERO EXPERIENCE"!!!!! WHAT THE HELL!!!! IS ENGLISH YOUR SECOND LANGUAGE????. I said I knew enough about the oil industry to know bullshit when I see it. I WAS RIGHT!!!!!! Your plan was imaginary. A pathetic figment of your imagination. I know this is embarrassing for you Jerry or whoever you are, but this is about you and not me. I can think for myself, I don't need little Bobby Jindal or Sarah Palin to do my thinking for me. My experience gives me the knowledge to spot ignorance and bullshit when I see it. It must really hurt that I publicly exposed your lies. Drill,Baby,Drill….Drill,Baby,Drill…..Sarah Palin is an oil industry expert.

  158. June 30, 2010 at 12:28 am

    AND YOU SAID YOU HAD 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE!!!You are dodging the fact that you set yourself up as an EXPERT such that you can call me out as not having a plan. I have a plan to inspect oil wells… just not a very detailed one, which is exactly how this president is operating this whole disaster.So, what does it take Mr. SMART-ASS OIL MAN, to conduct a properly done safety inspection on an oil rig? If you don't know this, just say so so everyone will know that EX-GOPer is a LIAR and a FRAUD. I don't want an apology for your deceit, I really don't. Just an admission that you are not an authority on anything related to this gulf oil spill will be fine, Mr. 30-years of experience in the oil industry.Oh, and that wasn't Jerry that wrote that apology. If you can't understand that, then you are too stupid to converse with.

  159. June 30, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    That wasn't Jerry, BTR? Who was it? Who wrote that apology? Tell me who it was because I accused Jerry of posting it and he didn't deny it. So you tell me who did it and tell me who posted under my name. The same person produced both posts because who ever used my name admitted they made both posts. So you tell me who did it because you claim to know who it is. And trying to accuse an anonymous "liberal" is not good enough, try and be specific because you "know" it wasn't Jerry. I am an expert in the oil industry compared to you BTR. In fact, if you combine everything you, little Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, Haley Barber, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Joe-the-Plumber know about drilling oil wells, if you took the collective drilling knowledge of you and your fellow wing-nuts, I still know more than your group. I'm an expert in spotting bullshit, I knew you didn't have a plan and I was right. Am I drilling expert? no, I am not a drilling expert and I never claimed that I was. I challenged you to find a time where I claimed to be a drilling expert and you failed to provide any proof that I did. I do have enough knowledge to know what you have to know in order to author a safety "plan" for deep-water drilling. All I had to do BTR, is be expert enough to know you didn't have the knowledge to have a "plan". All I had to do was prove that I was expert enough to know the basics of how the oil and drilling industry operates. All I had to do was prove that I was expert enough to know the maritime industry and who regulates it and how they work with the oil industry. And I did those things so expertly that I embarrassed you publicly, I made you confess that you lied, that you just made up a phony "plan". I said you were criticizing the President just out of habit and that you were too ignorant about the subject to have an informed opinion. There's no doubt I'm the expert in this conversation and no matter how much you whine, everybody recognizes it. Drill,Baby,Drill….Small Government, less regulations and big corparations is the way to go…

  160. June 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    BTW BTR, you want to know what it will take to make your imaginary "plan" a "detailed plan". Go back to your first post where you bragged you had a "plan". I posted after you on June 17 and asked specific questions a person would have to know BEFORE you could have a "plan". Do you remember this BTR? It took you about 10 days after I posted it before you responded to me. I guess you don't remember it because you are asking about it again. So here you go BTR, I have pasted just a few questions you will have to know the answer to before you can implement a "plan" or shoot your mouth off about a timeline. Here it is AGAIN!!!! "Share with me some details from your brilliant plan. When do you plan on having a comprehensive report on what went wrong on the Deepwater Horizon? Who will draw up regulations to prevent the same disaster form happening again? Who will enforce your new regulations? Is enough new equipment available right now to retrofit the rigs to conform to the new regulations? Who is going to perform your "top down" inspections? Is it the Coast Guard? Aren't they stretched thin with the spill? How long does it take to do this inspection on a single rig? How many rigs need this inspection? Do you have enough experienced personell to do all these inspections within 6 months?"Remember that BTR? That was posted almost 2 weeks ago,BTR. We covered this already, yet you are either too ignorant or too stubborn to recognize it. What the hell is wrong with you?

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