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Pushing Dissent to the Limit

So are these true stories — or is someone making this stuff up?

A protester is able to disrupt House proceedings, by getting into the Visitor Galley and shouting out — “Kill the bill” to the cheers of Republicans on the floor?

Meanwhile Republicans defend the actions of Tea Party activists who yelled racial slurs at Democrats in Congress, calling them “Nigger” and “Faggot.” They DEFEND those actions?

Anyone care to explain this to me. This is worse than a playground. No wonder the American people are upset with Washington antics.

Stay tuned. This could be an historic day. excited to see what happens.

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  1. March 21, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Millions of people throughout the world celebrate the "TRUE NEW YEAR" on the first day of spring, the Vernal Equinox [I think celebrating the New Year in the dead of winter is a terrorist conspiracy sponsored by Glenn ("Car Alarm") Beck and Fixed News]. After more than a year of the GOP Congressional naysayers and the Republican media station, Fox Alleged News, viciously slandering and attacking President Obama ("He hates white people!") and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi ("She should be waterboarded!") on a daily basis, spring has sprung (to use a climate change metaphor) and slapped the GOP right up alongside their collective pinheads — HEALTHCARE REFORM IS LAW! Nancy Pelosi is smart, tough, courageous, resilient, empathetic, astute, and brilliant, and she kicked the Healthcare Cartel's very fat butt! President Barack Obama may be the most intelligent American ever to serve as our President, admired and applauded by billions of well-wishers here at home and around the world. And just as smart as her husband, our First Lady, Michelle Obama, is FABULOUS! "Happy New Year," America! Today points the way to our more compassionate and educated future as the world's leader, once again, finally.

  2. March 21, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    You know, I actually enjoy coming on this forum and saying "I TOLD YOU SO." I'll repeat what I have stated more than once on this forum: In situations like this, only a fool would bet against Barack Obama. President Obama is a great poker player who holds his cards tightly to the chest. Try to read him at your peril. He likes winning and has a long track record of doing exactly that—time after time—with the odds (and the fools) way against him. Sure, he'll lose a hand every once in a while, but he's always looking beyond that a the bigger pot. Greatest U.S. President of my lifetime..

  3. March 21, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    I'll try to answer your question Dave.The Republican Party went off the rails with Richard Nixon. He was an obvious crook and scoundrel with dubious moral character. Republicans took to him for some reason.But with pressure mounting on him he sent his V.P. Spiro Agnew out to maliciously and scurrilously attack the news media and liberals. But Nixon was caught anyway and disgraced. But his supporters simply regrouped and recruited a Hollywood B-actor to restart the scam and that's how we ended up with one the most scandalous President of the 20th Century: Ronald Reagan. And naturally, with pressure mounting on him, Reagan's speech writers tool out the old playbook and began ramping up the right-wing vs. left-wing rhetoric and warfare to an unprecedented level. No president of the 20th century was more publicly dismissive and insulting to Democrats and liberals in general. Then when it looked like Americans were not likely to elect a Republican president for a long time, the crooks decided to take their propaganda to the airwaves and found a man of low moral character to once again revive and juice up the anti-Democrat, anti-liberal insults and abuse to an even more disgusting and destructive level, trumping Nixon, Reagan and ultimately the Bushes also in the amount of vile, nation-dividing rhetoric that continues to poison our nation on a daily basis. That's how we got Rush LImbaugh. The bottom line is that we have been infected by a disease of hate manufactured by the most successful crooks the United States has ever dealt with. But, now with the internet, the crooks are being caught and thus the Republican Party is more desperate and stressed than ever, so….the nasty rhetoric is turned up to an even HIGHER level. The clear racism that informs so much of the right-wing mindset only makes matters worse. .

  4. March 21, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    How does anyone know they are "Tea Party Activists". News reports had the guy that spat at Emanuel Cleaver not idenitifed as a Tea Party activist at all; just a guy. More broad brush painting by Dave. Slander, slander and more slander. Karl Rove kicked the crap out of David Pfluffer on "This Week". Rove showed exactly how the Obama adminsitration was using "Bernie Maddoff-style accounting" (Rove's term) to get to 'deficit reduction'. Fact is that this bill will add $700 billion to the debt in its first 10 years because of all of the couble counting and costs the Democrats are ignoring. They say "the CBO scored this". Well that is worthless since the CBO MUST use the assumptions and promises given to it by Congress. Look, if this bill ONLY prevented insurance companies from dropping people while they are sick or from denying them coverage because of a pre-existing condition (as is covered under Kennedy-kassebaum) and created the insurance exchanges, I would be all for it. I'm in favor of nation-wide insurance pools to buy insurance.But it doesn't. You have Eziekiel Emmanuel eugenics policies in there where health care for the elderly will be metted out by panels. You have boards that will decide which doctors can practice which kinds of medicine. You have all sorts of orwellian type governmental intrusion into the medical profession that is UTTERLY UNNECESSARY!Since the House is voting for all this crap instead of the simple benefits of the bill like I stated above, THIS BILL MUST DIE!Additionally, this is the most corrupt piece of legislation EVER. More backroom deals have been made over this bill than any in my lifetime anyway. if it was so great, why do DEMOCRATS need to bribe DEMOCRATS to vote for it? hmmm? Can't answer that one seriously can you?This bill is a sugar-coated abortion of legislation and it MUST be stopped for the good of the nation.

  5. March 22, 2010 at 12:24 am

    You asshole cogalton! Provide one scrap of "evidence"…proof…that those names were called…it was a liberal media scam! It has been proved false with many many videos! Yet your are drooling to post a lie.Typical radical far left loon…try to change the subject.

  6. March 22, 2010 at 3:23 am

    It's going to get worse Dave, much worse."We Stand on the Cusp of one of Humanity's Most Dangerous Moments"http://www.alternet.org/media/146005/we_stand_on_the_cusp_of_one_of_humanity%27s_most_dangerous_moments?page=1That so many who belong to the 95% continue to work towards further enrichment of the 1%, against all rhyme or reason, is simply fascinating.

  7. March 22, 2010 at 6:59 am

    Go, Obama. Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!Thank you, Mr. President, for not giving up. God Bless you, sir.

  8. March 22, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Here you go, Dagna. Here's your proof:It was one of the ugliest and strangest periods the American legislative process has ever experienced. And Sunday was no different. The day's debate on the House floor was in its early moments when two men, one smelling strongly of alcohol, stood up in the public gallery and interrupted the debate with shouts of "Kill the bill!" and "The people said no!" As the Capitol Police led the demonstrators from the chamber, Republicans cheered — for the hecklers.Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who for the second day in a row had homophobic epithets hurled at him by demonstrators, called his Republican colleagues "clowns" for this display. But the circus was just beginning.As lawmakers debated their way to a vote on the legislation, dozens of GOP lawmakers walked from the chamber, crossed the Speaker's Lobby, stepped out onto the members-only House balcony — and proceeded to incite an unruly crowd.Thousands of conservative "tea party" activists had massed on the south side of the Capitol, pushing to within about 50 feet of the building. Some Democrats worried aloud about the risk of violence, and police tried to keep the crowd away from the building.But rather than calm the demonstrators, Republican congressmen whipped the masses into a frenzy. There on the House balcony, the GOP lawmakers' legislative dissent and the tea-party protest merged into one. Some lawmakers waved handwritten signs and led the crowd in chants of "Kill the bill."

  9. March 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Hope and Change in America. President Obama said he was going to do it and he delivered. But the struggle continues as the maniac extreme-right wing pawns respond like rabid dogs: vicious and crazed as they writhe in pain and insanity in their agonizing process of dying off.But we must show compassion and realize that so many of the ditto-head pawns are nothing more than abused children, misled and emotionally stunted, they turn to bullying as a dysfunctional way of coping with their insecurity issues. Fortunately, health care reform in the long run will help ease their anxiety (that is, for those who haven't gone too far off the deep end.) There is hope and change in America, but the quest is just beginning. The disease has been identified. It's time for healing.The United States is growing up. We must be gracious as we clean up the Republican messes and heal the soul of our nation. The struggle for justice and fairness in America must continue. Michelle Obama for President, 2016!

  10. March 22, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Hahahaha! Perfect! Dave copies and pastes The Washington Compost (without credit as usual). The compost is a hard far left rag that is all but bankrupt…But Dave is so desperate he would copy-n-paste any loon rag.Bottom line…this will be an anchor around Obama's neck until he gets his ass booted to the street in 2012. No major legislation will move forward until this one gets to the Supreme Court.35+ states are suing Obama. This is the biggest piece of scam legislation ever brought on the floor of either house. Just wait till Americans here the truth..ie: $10 billion for the IRS to hire 17,000 enforcement thugs yet not one penny for doctors. It's a scam!

  11. March 22, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Dave,For a moment, there, I scratched my head and wondered if I was reading too much into Baier's incredibly disrespectful treatment of the President, in concluding that there is a racial element at play.No more.When the "activists" chant "Ni***r! Ni***r" as African-American Congressman pass by, the deal has been sealed."You lie!" from Joe Wilson may not have been enough."He's uppity," referring to candidate Obama from another Republican southerner, may not have been enough."He hates white culture" from Glen Beck may not have been enough.All the birther drama, explicitly claiming he's not "one of us," may not have been enough.The Tea Party signs with the bone-in-the-nose Obama witch doctor may not have been enough.Now, however, I've seen enough to conclude that the roiling, sulfurous stench coming out of the Republican Right is grounded firmly in the white supremacist nonsense of the Deep South–those who have taken command of the Party, the Bob Jones University crowd, the God-hates-fags demonstrators at soldiers' funerals, the "babykiller!" screechers who lap up the sour milk of Sarah Palin and the good old McCarthyites who chant in favor of the corporate war profiteers about whom President Eisenhower warned us so presciently…..God help the USA…

  12. March 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Funny, I remember Cindy Sheehan being ejected for just wearing a t-shirt the Republicans did not like.

  13. March 22, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    It is an interesting and true fact that most animals exhibit altruistic behavior and show empathy. Heck, even amoebas exhibit altruism.Rats have been taught to push a lever to receive a pellet of food.When these same rats see that by pushing the lever and receiving food, rats in the next cage receive an electrical shock, they choose to starve themselves rather than cause pain to their neighbors.Has it gotten to the point where rats are more evolved than those who belong to the right wing?If rats can learn this, is there any hope that those on the right can learn as well?

  14. March 23, 2010 at 1:29 am

    ouse Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said Monday that the breakdown in House decorum over the weekend — accompanied by protesters outside the Capitol hurling insults and spitting on a black lawmaker — is a “festering sore” that runs back to last September, when a Republican yelled “You lie” at President Barack Obama.Clyburn said “the jeering, the people out there carrying nasty signs and spitting on people” reminded him of the 1960s, when he was subject to abuse as a black civil rights protester in the South. And Clyburn said the fact that a Texas Republican yelled “baby killer” inside the House chamber itself as a Democrat spoke Sunday night and Republicans “egged on” protesters in the House gallery earlier in the day is “what endangers this society.”“I see a larger breakdown,” said Clyburn, who pressed unsuccessfully last September for his South Carolina colleague, Republican Rep. Joe Wilson, to go to the well of the House and apologize to the full chamber for insulting Obama.

  15. March 23, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the lawsuits challenging the constitutional legality of the Health Bill is smacked down after the State of the Union Address.It is quite likely that the "individual mandate" in ObamaCare requiring all Americans to purchase health insurance against their will is unconstitutional.It's not nice to humiliate the Supreme Court when they can not respond.As far as the tea baggers spitting and shouting profanities. With all of those cameras, I can not believe they could not catch any of it on film. Whether it was a tea bagger or a setup, I deplore it. Do wish they could find who actually had done it. I do think it was set up.

  16. March 23, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    A tea party organizer angry over Rep. Thomas Perriello’s (D-Va.) vote in favor of health care reform published what he thought was the freshman member’s home address on a blog, in case any readers “want to drop by” and provide a “personal touch” to their views.Rather than giving out Perriello’s address however, the tea party activist mistakenly printed the home address of the congressman’s brother. Perriello’s brother and wife have four children under the age of 8.In the post, the author gives out the address to his “friends” in Perriello’s district.“Just in case any of his friends and neighbors want to drop by and say hi and express their thanks regarding his vote for health care,” the author writes. “I personally believe it’s so important for representatives to remain fully grounded and to remember exactly what it is their constituents are saying and how they are telling them to vote. Nothing quite does that like a good face-to-face chat. It has a much more personal touch to it.”

  17. March 23, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    This morning Rush Limbaugh encouraged his listeners to treat EVERY democrat as an "ENEMY." This comes a day after he told his listeners to "break the law" and find Democrats and "wipe them out", referring to Democrats as "bastards". So, I wonder how many people will be murdered as Limbaugh uses the public airwaves to stir up civil war mentality hatred and division and influence the most mentally unstable of the Tea Bagger crowd to approach Democrats and "wipe them out…every last one of them." Sorry Dave, but I think you will live to regret being in any way associated with a radio station that promotes Rush Limbaugh, a violent minded, destructive, vengeful domestic terrorist if there ever was one, a man who would be happy to nuke the U.S. if it gave him a bigger audience and more money to pay for those ridiculous cigars and who knows what else, and of course inflate his already bloated ego. A deal with the Devil if there ever was one. Tbe most evil man in America: Listen to him each weekday on KVEC!..

  18. March 23, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    DAVE IS NOT "ASSOCIATED"…HE FILLS TIME CHEEP…THE MAN/WIFE EARNS THE BUCKS. RUSH RULES THE ROOST AT KVEC. THE BLOG, THE SHOW…ALL LACK ANY INTELLIGENCE. DAVE IS LAZY…HE'S ALL WASHED UP. BUT THEN NO FAR LEFT SHOW HAS EVER SUCCEEDED.

  19. March 24, 2010 at 1:22 am

    4:46 PST – (CNN) Officials from 14 states have gone to court to block the historic overhaul of the U.S. health care system that President Obama signed into law Tuesday.That's 14. Not 35. Some commenter cannot count!

  20. March 24, 2010 at 2:08 am

    LMAO: Thanks for your input, Jerry; now curl up with your Rush, BillO, SeanH and I'm sure your favorite, Michael Savage. Since Dave has started letting your comments through again, we readers here have had the unfortunate experience of seeing your state of your mind; is there anything in the world that gives you any joy at all? I certainly hope so, but reading your comments here, I have my doubts.

  21. March 24, 2010 at 3:14 am

    man, I sure do miss your intelligent discourse Jer… er,'LMAO'

  22. March 24, 2010 at 5:08 am

    This is a direct result of the far-right, deep-South bigot Republicans and their house organ, Fox News.A new Harris Poll has found:* 67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist. * 57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim. * 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president." * 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" * 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist." Fox News is helping to spread these lies and the Republican flock of sheep eat it up. For the sake of ratings, Fox News is helping to tear this proud nation apart.Shame on Fox and shame on the haters on this blog. You are definitely part of the problem.

  23. March 24, 2010 at 8:11 am

    According to a Gallup/USA Today poll conducted the day after health care legislation passed the House of Representatives, 49 percent of the respondents think the passage of reform is a "good thing," compared to the 40 percent who think it is bad. The numbers are a welcome relief for a party and a presidency that had been bleeding popular support over the course of the past six months.Democrats didn't just get a health-care-related boost in the realm of public opinion. The Democratic National Committee reported raising more than $1 million in donations on Tuesday even without making a direct ask. The money is expected to pour in for other campaign committees as well.

  24. March 24, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Associated Press is reporting that ObamaCare DOES NOT immediately mandate that children with pre-existing conditions be given helath insurance as some lying assclowns on this blog have stated. Kids that are already sick can still be denied health coverage until 2014!Here is one Anonymouse assclown from the Bret Baier thread: "Here you go, Put Tent, Here are ten benefits which come online within six months of the President's signature on the health care bill:1. Adult children may remain as dependents on their parents’ policy until their 27th birthday2. Children under age 19 may not be excluded for pre-existing conditions"Whoever the hell "Right-wing Lie Alert" is said:"I love the way fanatics like Pup Tent get all heated up and belch out the lies when they're about to lose. Here's a list of the Top 10 IMMEDIATE benefits of the health care bill:•Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans;"I think this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Now we are learning that the insurance mandate will be enforced by the IRS of all people. What else is an utter lie in the is travesty of public law? We already know that this bill was underfunded by $800 billion because of the accounting gimicks that the Democrats used and by which the CBO scored this abominiation. What's next? Death panels?So any of you that fall in the " assclown" catagory, I have a question:Are you just freaking STUPID or did you know this and LIED about it, along with Obama and every House and Senate Democrat to get ObamaCare passed?

  25. March 25, 2010 at 4:38 am

    Very sad BTR. What a waste of potential. Sadly, many conservatives do live in a different moral universe, as noted below.Bart Stupak threatened: "I hope you bleed out your ass, get cancer and die." "Congressman Stupak, you baby-killing mother f***er… I hope you bleed out your a**, got cancer and die, you mother f***er," one man says in a message to Stupak."There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill," a woman says in a voicemail, "and all of those thoughts that are projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you."CBS News also obtained copies of faxes sent to Stupak, which include racial epithets used in reference to President Obama and show pictures of nooses with Stupak's name.Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother's gas line cut after threat by tea party activist: Hoyer worried When Coleman learned the address was actually Perriello’s brother’s — Politico reported he and his wife have four young children — Coleman commented on another blog that the mistake was "collateral damage." "Do you mean I posted his brother’s address on my Facebook?" Coleman wrote. "Oh well, collateral damage." crooks and liars

  26. March 25, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Surely all of you conservatives have the seen the news reports of the threats of intimidation against Democratic Congress members? Winston Smith listed a few of them; are you all really proud of how other conservatives are responding? Do you Big Tent think the behavior of those who are throwing bricks and rocks through the windows of Democratic Congressional district offices is the "right thing" to do? Do you condone the the violence being threatened and some times carried out? I wonder how Jerry D feels about the brother of a Democratic Congressman being mistakenly targeted and having his home attacked by someone cutting his propane gas line; the home of a man and his wife with their four, under the age of eight years of age children, whose only situation is to be the relative of someone serving in Congress; is that alright with you? How do all of you conservatives feel about the conservative leaders in Congress "egging on" the protestors over the weekend, and now we have this violence being directed at lawmakers, and threats being issued against others; do any of you think this has gone too far? Do you think Glen Beck has stepped over the line in calling for some sort of "action" against Democratic lawmakers? Are any of you outraged, at all? I can say with certainty that if the roles were reversed and some Republican lawmakers were being threatened or had their office windows smashed that Liam, Wise Guy, Winston Smith and myself would be calling out the violence as wrong as can be; no one elected to public office should ever have to fear for their safety because of their political stand on the issues; it is not the way of a true society, it is what a "mob mentality" would do. Conservatives, are you part of society, or are you part of an angry mob? There is no "in-between", you have to choose. Where do you stand?

  27. No
    March 25, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Every democrat in DC thinks the new health care bill stinks! What's my proof? The slipped in a small rule that would allow them to opt OUT of said health care plan and they included their DC staff.I know some of you Kool-Aid drinkers will say it isn't so…in that case read page 159. If it is so groundbreaking for Americans why would they spend so much political capitol excluding themselves and their precious DC staff?Think it through…they know it stinks.

  28. March 25, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    What a shock! There are fools out there who lose control of their emotions in political discourse. They are out there on both sides of the political spectrum. Or have you already forgotten the eight years of bile heaped on the Bush administration. There are plenty of stupid, irrational people to be found everywhere, and some of them vent their spleens in the political arena (except, of course, for most of the contributors to this blog).We also lose site of the historical perspective. The aggression in the civil rights movement almost two generations ago saw not just insults, but also murders and bombings. The union movement saw people on both sides killing each other. And lets not forget the 19th century which saw politicians assault each other on the floor of Congress, politicians dueling and the ultimate breakdown in rational political discourse, the Civil War.The press also plays its role, especially when they forget their own self-image as a supposedly objective voice. A great deal of the reporting is now just a blatant attempt to smear all conservatives and members of the Tea Party movement as violence prone nut cases because of the over-the-top reaction of a few idiots. If any reporter were to case aspersions on a race because of the criminal acts of a few people of the same race, that reporter would be fired in a second. Yet many in the "main stream media" are now participating in this Joseph Goebbels school of journalism technique. Or perhaps they just find that approach easier than addressing the substantive issues.One final point: Liam (March 22, 9:32 am) uses "Deep South" in a pejorative sense. I happen to be traveling though the South (Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansas) this week, the first time since 1971. This is not the "Deep South" of almost two generations ago. Aside from the landscape and the weather, there is very little difference to California. Perhaps not quite as many Starbucks. Even the southern accent is fading. There is much more that unites us today than divides us.

  29. March 25, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Yes some things said are over the limit. Peoples emotions are running strong.Dave have you ever been to a Code Pink event, they make the Tea Party people look very sedate.Where where all of you when the horrible slurs about Bush and Chaney where being said?

  30. March 25, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Well written comment Chris In Paso, and with a few notable exceptions I agree with what you wrote."Or have you already forgotten the eight years of bile heaped on the Bush administration." Not quite a quid pro quo now is it compared to what is happening today?"The union movement saw people on both sides killing each other."Not sure if the machine gunning and bombing of union protesters (Such protesters of which we all have reaped the benefits from) equate to the relatively few on the other side which were killed, usually but not always in self defence."A great deal of the reporting is now just a blatant attempt to smear all conservatives and members of the Tea Party movement as violence prone nut cases because of the over-the-top reaction of a few idiots."With all due respect, I believe that the "press" (Which I believe is non existent save for a small handful) has only reported that which they cannot ignore. The corporate MSM has gone out of their way to down play the war in the Middle East as well as the war at home."Or perhaps they just find that approach easier than addressing the substantive issues."Well that is certainly true enough. Why discuss rampant and growing inequality, thousands of dead US soldiers, the million plus dead Iraqi/Afghan/Pakistan civilians, the tragedy of Katrina and Haiti etc., when they can concentrate their efforts at playing both sides against one another to perpetuate the illusion of democracy and choice? "There is much more that unites us today than divides us."Truer words have not been written.Above all I appreciate the tenor and thoughtfulness evident in your comment.

  31. March 25, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    No: Of course the bill is not "all that it could be"; in order to get the bill in a form that could be passed, many provisions had to be modified, watered down or removed to address the concerns of those very conservative Democrats whose crucial vote allowed the bill to pass. In my understanding of how this is supposed to work, those concerns will now be addressed in a few bills to change some of the provisions to the bill, and apparently these other bills will be able to get passed. Chris in Paso: Again, nice try at diminishing the voracity of the attacks that have been happening by some of the people who self identify themselves as "Tea Party" members. Your historical references to the clashes of unions and owners certainly has a place in history of showing how violent confrontations can be, but there is no direct correlation to current events concerning those who are threatening or actually engaged in actual violence directed towards members of Congress who are members of the Democratic Party. Reference any other time in history that Congress members have had violence directed at them on a personal level; if I were a betting man, I would bet that you cannot find any time in our history to match what is happening now. And I'm sure that you did not get a chance to read my earlier comment, so let me ask you directly: Do you condone the violence directed at the Democratic lawmakers? Yes or no will do, thanks.Anonymous: You stated: "Yes some things said are over the limit. Peoples emotions are running strong. Dave have you ever been to a Code Pink event, they make the Tea Party people look very sedate. Where where all of you when the horrible slurs about Bush and Chaney (um, that should be Cheney) where being said?" Can you show me reports of Code Pink members ever "spitting" on members of Congress? Can you show me reports of Republican Congress members ever receiving rocks or bricks thrown through their office windows? Any reports of a brother of a Republican Congressman ever having his home attacked by having their gas line cut? No? Your comparison is weak, there is no way you can make the leap of logic to try and compare what is happening now unless you agree with the actions of the rock throwers and those who spit on Congressmen. Do you?

  32. No
    March 25, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    All of this however fun is moot. What we are all waiting for is the 20-30 states that are suing Obama over his Marxist health care bill…and the issue of the Obama mandate.At some point this will be in front of the Supreme Court. The same Supreme Court Obama disrespected more than any other politician in US history during his state of the union address.Justice may be blind but it has a long memory. Obama-scare goes down in the hallowed halls of the chambers of the Supreme Court.Till then have at it my statist lemmings. 2010, 2012 and the Supreme Court will be looming huge in the future of your savior.Now back to ratings game…Pelosi @ 11%, Harry @ 8%, Congress @ 23% and Barry @ 41%…sad for the folks that engineered such a huge victory for America eh?

  33. March 26, 2010 at 1:24 am

    I can demonstrate this:Cindy Sheehan was invited a California congresswoman purposefully to disrupt Bush's 2006 State of the Union address.Bush/Cheney campaign office ransacked by protestersSome protester mailed 'suspicious white power' to McCain officeDemocrat protesters spit on Republicans during 2004 Convention in NYCACORN protesters spit on state senator staff memberDemocrat racism against black Republicans seen below:Micheal Steele pelted with oreos and called an "Uncle Tom"Related (slightly):Obama is Jimmy Carter's 'black boy'Obama referred to Jews as 'kikes'These are a just a few I found in about 10 minutes. The point is that both sides stoop to low-brow means of denegrating their opponents. Just because Obama called Jews kikes doesn't mean that all Democrats are anti-semites (although it might explain the administrations recent Isreal scuffup). So, just because a few knuckleheads go way beyond the bounds of acceptable political discord by spitting and name calling (of course, democrats are very sensitive to names called to them, not so much by names called by them. Ain't that right, Harry Reid and VP Biden?) doesn't mean that spitting and name calling are practices endorsed by the Tea Party, the GOP or any right minded individual. Just because a dumbass moron in AZ resorts to trying to intimidate a AZ congressman, misses, and includes his brother instead doesn't mean that all Republicans or Tea Partiers want hoses turned on Democrats like Bull Connor and the other Democrats turned them on black civil rights protesters during the 1960's. See? The friges are the fringe on either side of the spectrum and need to be condemned wherever and whenever they pop their heads up and act the way they do.

  34. March 26, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Oh, just saw this one…While you liberals are worried and, justifiably, upset at spit and racial/homophobic slurs being fired at some of your Democrat lawmakers, Eric Cantor is worried about bullets fired at him.As the FoxNews story indicates, Rep. Eric Cantor's office recieved gunfire through the window of his office. How many Democrats have been shot at? This is normally something reserved for Islamic douchbags to do to our military. But Democrats (it certainly wasn't a fellow Republican or a "teabagger" since he is their champion) have taken to using guns to suppress opposition, and Cantor was one of the biggest ObamaCare opponents.Liberals and Democrats always fuss over small little splinters (spit and the n-word) in their eye, but ignore the 2×4 (shots fired at a congressman's office) that they place in their neighbor's eye.

  35. March 26, 2010 at 5:17 am

    EmbarrassingNobody Shot at Eric Cantor, and Other Wingnut News Wingnut Weenie Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor claimed today his Richmond office had been shot at, and he had the chutzpah to accuse Democrats of fanning flames of animosity and stirring up violence.But local law enforcement says nobody shot at Cantor’s office. The Richmond Police Department is investigating an act of vandalism at the Reagan Building, 25 E. Main St., Richmond, Virginia. A first floor window was struck by a bullet at approximately 1 a.m. on Tuesday, March 23. The building, which has several tenants including an office used by Congressman Eric Cantor, was unoccupied at the time. A Richmond Police detective was assigned to the case. A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.So, someone in downtown Richmond fired a gun into the air, and by chance the bullet came down and hit a window to a room that Cantor sometimes uses. David Kurtz said, “unless someone was trying to hit Cantor’s office with a bank shot off a cloud, neither Cantor nor the building were the target of this bullet.” I just flipped on the television and saw that a package containing unidentified white powder was delivered to an office of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY). No one was harmed.David Frum, who has been outspoken in criticizing Republicans for their obstructionism, has been dumped by the American Enterprise Institute.

  36. March 26, 2010 at 5:55 am

    Downtown Bob (25 March,10:19 am)Simple answer: No.Now a simple question for you: Do you believe that a material number of conservatives or members of the Tea Party movement are involved in such excesses or that such conduct is typical?

  37. March 26, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Hey Pup Tent,You really ought to broaden your news sources beyond Fox News. Here's an AP report about a Richmond, VA, Police Department report of the so-called "shooting" of Cantor's office. Basically, it means Cantor embellished his story to make it look more sinister than it really was. Pup Tent, your rant is typical of so many Fox News viewers who only get half the truth or none at all when they watch – bluster, bullying, bravado, bullsh*t. The result: violence.The funny thing about all the teabaggers like Pup Tent running for their guns is that they seem to think they are the only people who own them. Be careful, Tent. You never know who is ready to push back.Oh, and I guess it takes an "assclown" to know one:Bullet that hit Cantor office was randomly firedThe Associated PressPublished: March 25, 2010"RICHMOND — A bullet that hit a window in Republican U.S. Rep. Eric Cantor’s office building was fired randomly into the air, police said Thursday."Cantor announced at a Capitol Hill news conference Thursday that a shot had been fired into his Richmond campaign office."In addressing reporters, he denounced threats and vandalism against Democrats who passed sweeping health care reform legislation that has angered conservatives, but accused senior Democrats of inciting retribution against Republicans.“It is reckless to use these incidents as media vehicles for political gain,“ Cantor told reporters."Cantor said he receives threats because he is Jewish and because he is the second-ranking Republican in the House, then disclosed a recent direct threat and the shooting.“A bullet was shot through the window of my campaign office in Richmond this week, and I’ve received threatening e-mails,“ Cantor said. He refused to release details, however, saying it would only encourage more threats, and refused to take questions."Later Thursday, however, Richmond police said in a news release that the bullet had been fired into the air around 1 a.m. Tuesday. It finished its random arc back to earth at a sharp downward trajectory, breaking a window pane on the bottom floor of the two-story brick building where Cantor’s campaign leases the top floor."The spent bullet hit the floor about one foot inside the shattered pane. No one was in the building at the time. A police investigation has yielded no suspects…."Richmond has struggled for years with high rates of gun violence in some neighborhoods. While the building housing Cantor’s office is one of the city’s safer downtown areas, some of the more dangerous neighborhoods lie one-half mile to a mile away."

  38. March 26, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Tent: I've gone through every link you gave; the first link about a Bush/Cheney campaign office being trashed had a comment attached to it by someone who was supposed to be connected to the planned protest, stating: "It (the protest) didn't go quite as planned." – meaning, the actual people carrying out the protest went beyond what was supposed to happen; kind of sounds like some of the Tea Party events to me …The second one about "white powder being mailed to a McCain office" had this as the last paragraph in the article: "Earlier this month, a gunman walked into the headquarters of the Arkansas Democratic Party and killed its chairman, a top ally of former president Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary. The shooter was later gunned down by police." Some "tit for tat" there, hey. Sheesh.The third link was a "commentary" with some third hand related reporting of "spitting on Republicans" who were attending the 2004 Republican Convention. If you go back and read the link you provided, the third hand reporting did not say that Republican Congressmen were spit on, Republicans attending the convention were supposedly spit on. Close, but no cigar.The forth link was to a blog that featured a "report" from the "American Spectator" a conservative organization that had a link to the supposed report of the incident where a State Senator was "almost" knocked down to the ground, and his chief of staff was supposedly spit on, however the link from the second link went to a dead end, so, conveniently, the reporting could not be verified. Again, close, but no cigar.Your fifth link about the oreos being thrown at Michael Steele also happens to mention that the oreos were thrown at him while he was a black university, apparently by the black students. I'm not saying that that makes it okay, put don't try to give the impression that he was being racially denigrated by white Democrats because that was not the case. The link also reports that all of the other candidates in the race denounced the racial epithets as wrong and called for them to stop, including all Republicans and all Democrats. There is no "overwhelming proof" that the students were even Democrats themselves, just an assumption.

  39. March 26, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Response to Big Tent, continued:Link six, (slightly related {at least in your mind}) your link was a dead end. While I was there at Utube, I typed in "Jimmy Carter calls Obama a black boy" and got one hit, a conservative who just happened to have a link showing Jimmy Carter apparently stumbling over the words "you have this young man, a black boy, growing up with a white mother, now has the chance to secure the nomination for the Democratic candidate for president" – Um, Barack Obama is black, and he once was a boy, especially when he was being raised by his white mother and grandmother; am I missing something here? I did not take it that Jimmy Carter was referring to Barack Obama in 2008 as a "black boy" who had a chance to become the president, but then again, I am not black. Perhaps you can ask a couple of your black friends to view that video and get their reaction?Your last link, "Obama calls Jews "kikes" was the furthest stretch you made on this comment of yours; the quote, from an article from the New Yorker magazine, was from his time at Columbia where the administration tried to keep painting over the graffiti on the bathroom stall walls, and Obama said " … the walls remained scratched with blunt correspondence between niggers and kikes. It was as if all middle ground had collapsed.” Do you really believe that President Obama refers to Jewish people as "kikes"? Really? Like I said, quite a stretch. Idiot.After reading the rest of your first comment, I guess that you condemn the actions of those who threw bricks and rocks, even if you didn't quite say so, and your sloughing off the cutting of the gas line of the brother of a Democratic Congressman was pretty lame. I guess it would be too much for you to just say that whoever cut that gas line was wrong, that whoever threw those rocks and bricks were wrong, but you just couldn't quite bring yourself to actually say so, at least not without having try and dredge up all of the stuff you linked to as if they were somehow "equally as bad"; they weren't, at least in my book. Close (not really), but no cigar.And as for Congressman Eric Cantor, I think Winston Smith nailed that one down pretty well, but I would like to add that Eric Cantor is apparently the only serving Republican who also is Jewish. Has he made the threatening emails he claims to have received public yet? Or is he perhaps, either too sensitive, or is he targeted by some ultra extreme conservative Christian? Aren't you curious Tent?

  40. March 26, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Chris in Paso: Yes, and to a degree, yes.

  41. NO
    March 26, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    When the far left loon dems can't stand the heat the manufacture a Republican hate crimes epidemic…They have done it for decades when their heroes are losing in the public opinion polls.What the left can't stand is that 20-30 states are filing law suits against Obama-scare health care take over bill that was shoved down the throats of 73% of Americans opposed to it.Yesterday rather than being presidential Obama chose to taunt and dare the vast majority of Americans agaist this bill to "bring it on…I dare you?" Proving Obama is a classless buffoon.This fiasco will dominate the remaining 3 years of Obama's failed presidency. He will lose and will be remembered as the worst president ever and the only Marxist to hold the white house.Obama may in fact have set up the destruction of the democratic party. A movement is afoot to rename the party before the 2010 elections to the "progressive party".Your president is failing (41% approval) Your Speaker of the house is a national embarrassment (11% approval). Your majority leader will lose his seat in November 8% approval) Your Senate is seen as a disgrace 22% approval, and the House is a joke at 17% approval…all lead by the majority…democrats. See a trend? It's about 73% of Americans have no faith in your party or it's leaders. You own the media, colleges, public education…so how do you explain this?

  42. March 26, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    No. With all due respect, there is absolutely nothing of substance or truth in your comment that is worthy of a reply. Try again. If you truly deign a response my suggestion is to at least make some effort to be less disingenuous.BTW, speaking for myself, I don't belong to the Democratic party and I hold the DNC/DLC with almost as much contempt as I hold the GOP.

  43. NO
    March 26, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Dear winston…If my post wasn't worth a reply…why did you?

  44. March 26, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Dear Jerry/No – So, if the Supreme Court exacts its revenge on President Obama by striking down his Healthcare Bill as unconstitutional, wouldn't that make them "Activist" judges???I guess the real definition of "Activist Judge" is one who decides against you, no matter how bad you want it and how right you think you are. Otherwise, they're Strict Constitutionalists, right?How's that JD Haworth campaign going for you???

  45. NO
    March 26, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    If Obama care and Obama are not Marxists, and the healthcare bill is not about redistribution of income in America then why did Sen. Max Baucus say this (and I quote): "Wages have not kept up with the increased income of the highest income Americans. This legislation will have the effect of addressing that maldistribution of income in America." Really? Obama's healthcare bill was passed to fix the maldistribution" of income in America? And if Obama care is not about Marxism then why did Representative John D. Dingell(D – MI) say this (I quote): "Yes. Sadly, it does “take a long time to do the necessary administrative steps … that have to be taken… to control the people.”The US government attempting to ram legislation down our throats that is intended to "Control the American people" and "correcting maldistribution of income in America." ? Really?Do you support this Dave? Bob? WG? Do any of you outright support these two powerful legislator's quotes?(I could point you the youTube of both comments but Dave has requested we don't post YouTube links.)

  46. March 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    To Shinning…The Supreme Court will strike down Obabacare because it's core principle of "a mandate to buy a product" IS unconstitutional.As far as "activist judges". You seem to be confused. By law judges can not make or change law from the bench. Those that do are referred to as "activist judges". The SCOTUS is a panel of judges that can ONLY interpret the Constitution. They never make law either. I hope that clears that up for you.As far as the Arizona race it is a national race so I can quote you the facts. Two months ago JD was 31% behind Juan McLame. Today he is only 6% behind. It is expected that by November JD will win by 11%. It has something to do with taking seats from both statists and Rinos.By the way…Did you see the press release from America's biggest companies? At&T said today that it expects Obamascare to cost the company over 1 billion in new taxes in just 3 years. Caterpillar said Obamascare will cost it 330 million in one year. You remember Caterpillar don't you? Heir Obama campaigned there saying if he was elected they would start hiring again…since obama's election they have laid off another 300 employees. Seems the "hopey-changey" thing isn't working out so far…if you read the polls or talk to 73% of Americans.Aren't facts a real bitch sometimes?

  47. March 26, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    If any of the cry baby Representatives can Prove a Health Care Protester Used the N-Word,they Win $10,000!Rep. Lewis: "If you provide verifiable video evidence showing that a single racist epithet was hurled as you walked among the tea partiers, or you pass a simple lie detector test, I will provide a $10K check to the United Negro College Fund."Do you wonder how this will turn out?

  48. March 26, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    NO. Once again, when you can post with some genuine concerns rather than right wing blog talking points, well, you will be taken more seriously in the future.

  49. March 26, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Dave,To answer your initial question, this might explain why ". . . the American people are upset with Washington antics." It starts at the top:As Adrian Blomfield reports for The [UK] Telegraph:"Benjamin Netanyahu was left to stew in a White House meeting room for over an hour after President Barack Obama abruptly walked out of tense talks to have supper with his family, it emerged on Thursday. The snub marked a fresh low in US-Israeli relations and appeared designed to show Mr Netanyahu how low his stock had fallen in Washington after he refused to back down in a row over Jewish construction in east Jerusalem.(Mr. Obama) immediately presented Mr Netanyahu with a list of 13 demands designed both to the end the feud with his administration and to build Palestinian confidence ahead of the resumption of peace talks. Key among those demands was a previously-made call to halt all new settlement construction in east Jerusalem.When the Israeli prime minister stalled, Mr Obama rose from his seat declaring: “I’m going to the residential wing to have dinner with Michelle and the girls.” As he left, Mr Netanyahu was told to consider the error of his ways. “I’m still around,” Mr Obama is quoted by Israel’s Yediot Ahronot newspaper as having said. “Let me know if there is anything new.”"Regards,Nick

  50. March 27, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Dismiss them all you want, Bob, but it is the DEMOCRAT PARTY that has a long history of racism. It was the Democrat Party that caused the civil war with their desire to keep all black men, women and children in slavery as property. It was the Democrat party that opposed reconstruction. It was the Democrat Party that codified Jim Crow and separate but equal as law. It was Democrats that stood in the stood on the steps of the high school in Little Rock to keep black kids out. It was a Democrat that turned the hoses on Martin Luther Kings peaceful march in Birmingham. It was and has always been Democrats that are the continually racist element in the is country. True, there have been several Democrats that have fought along side and suffered with black men and women as they struggled for civil rights. But while these men and women were struggling for black civil rights, Republicans were working to make ALL people equal. To not elevate one race over the other. Where the liberal demands social justice, he actually demands role reversal to exact retributiuon against the oppressor race. Liberals follow Marxist wealth-redistribution as a means of turning the oppressed into the oppressor. That is how the liberal sees "social justice". A conservative just wants "you reap what you sow"; the liberal wants "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs". My links are just as valid as anything any of you lunatics have written on this blog. A few spitters and slur-hurlers does not make an entire group the same thing. If that were so, the Democratic Party would , rightly, still be seen as the party of segregation and slavery.

  51. March 27, 2010 at 4:18 am

    Speaking of Arizona…A bill empowering police to arrest illegal immigrants and charge them with trespassing for simply being in the state of Arizona, is likely just weeks away from becoming the toughest law of its kind anywhere in the country.I bet they will all come our way. Just what we need. Our state is broke enough.

  52. March 27, 2010 at 4:48 am

    Bob: Your response to my simple inquiry is telling. There are millions upon millions of conservatives and Tea Party supporters in this country, yet you take a handful of fools as an excuse to condemn all of us.That is the same method the Nazis used to trigger the Reichskristallnacht in 1938. Would you take the same approach to condemn all Hispanics because of the criminal acts of MS-13? How about condemning all black Americans for what Tookie Williams did? That would be at least consistent in your approach.Of course, you would never dream of such vile generalizations about race. Yet when it suits you for some presumed politcal points against conservatives, you have no qualms. Furthermore, sinking to such gutter tactics lets you avoid discussion of the issues. Simply disgraceful.Bob, I'm dissappointed. I really expected better of you.

  53. March 27, 2010 at 4:52 am

    Nick, about time an American president stood up to the terrorist which is Israel. Even allowing that it was theater, about time. One of the few things I am pleased to see the president do so far. Inch by inch…

  54. March 27, 2010 at 6:26 am

    I understand, first the misguided and obvious error re: Cantor's faux attack which wasn't, and now the segue to Republican apologetics re: their sordid history of racism. Dreams die hard.The sad truth is that many of the Republican base remain in a massive state of denial about the party's four decade long addiction to race baiting. They won't make any headway with blacks if they persist in giving Reagan a pass for his racial policies. Of course, such Republican stalwarts as Goldwater, Nixon, or Bush the elder, all used coded racial messages to lure disaffected blue collar and Southern white voters away from the Democrats. But it was Reagan who set the gold standard for exploiting white anger and resentment not seen since the days when Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door. The southern strategy along with the white washing of Reagan's dismal record on race, his deification upon his death, and his Norquisting which continues to this day, are all sordid stains on the ink blot which is conservatism.As dismal as the early days of Democratic racism were, they have been trumped by the cold calculations of the right wing assault on the middle/working class and those with brown skin.Needless to say, today's Democratic party (Which I avoid) bears no resemblance to the racist Dems of years ago. Much as the GOP has expanded from being the party of big business to the party of big business, economic royalists, and white power uber alles.If Eisenhower were transported to the present he would be hung in effigy for being too liberal. The GOP has gone off the far right wing tracks of intolerance, craziness and exclusivity while the DNC has become the Republican party of yore.With 1% owning more wealth than 95%, with 400 families owning more than 150 million Americans, with executive pay going from 25:1 to 900:1 in 30 yrs. thanks to Reaganomics, with the US being the most unequal industrial nation on earth, I would say that the redistribution of wealth from the middle/working class and the poor to those at the top has been very successful indeed.Progressives don't want a hand out, a level playing field would be a nice start though.There is the one corporate party with two similar corporate backed wings.Still, Republican apologetics for Republican racism is a hoot.

  55. March 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Wait a minute. The "conservatives" are always telling us that Obama is a "do-nothing" president. Yet, they are always complaining about what he is doing. What's up with that? Very few things the cons say regarding politics makes much sense these days. The Republican Party has gone insane. What about that nuclear arms treaty with Russia? President Obama is on a roll. And he's just warming up! Greatest president of our lifetime…so far.Michelle Obama for President 2016!

  56. March 27, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Wait a minute. The "conservatives" are always telling us that Obama is a "do-nothing" president. Yet, they are always complaining about what he is doing. What's up with that? Very few things the cons say regarding politics makes much sense these days. The Republican Party has gone insane. What about that nuclear arms treaty with Russia? President Obama is on a roll. And he's just warming up! Greatest president of our lifetime…so far.Michelle Obama for President 2016!.Can you imagine a debate between Sarah Palin and Michelle Obama? Michelle would kick her a….!..

  57. March 27, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Oh the sweet irony. It seems the cons' war on marijuana has bolstered the new health insurance reform bill. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-constitutionality27-2010mar27,0,7405718.storyThis is another great example of the huge contradictions in the "conservative" ideology..Does ANYONE think we will ever see another Republican president in our lifetimes?..

  58. March 27, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    I can't say I've read the entire health care insurance reform bill, and I may think it there are many parts that could stand some revisions, but I'd say there are aspects of it that are brilliant and ingenious from a legal perspective. (Wouldn't you agree Chris?) I suspect we are witnessing President Obama's Constitutional law skills being put to brilliant use. Everything about Obama's career suggests he is continually being under-estimated in his talents and wisdom. His achievements continually bely the assertions and innuendos from his opponents. Anyone remember Ali's "rope-a-dope" strategy? And guess who are the dopes in this round!..Michelle Obama (even more extraordinary, progressive and positive minded than her husband) for President 2016!..

  59. March 27, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Tent: There isn't much in your first paragraph of your latest entry that isn't true, with exception to this: "It was and has always been Democrats that are the continually racist element in the is country." and of course, this: "Where the liberal demands social justice, he actually demands role reversal to exact retributiuon (correct spelling, retribution) against the oppressor race. Liberals follow Marxist wealth-redistribution as a means of turning the oppressed into the oppressor." Yes, Democrats used to be the party of racism, and those Democrats were wrong, period, but once the Civil Rights legislation was passed in 1965, the majority of racists in the Democratic party fled and became Republicans. Since that time, the majority of racists that hold public office have always been in the Republican party, a fact which you cannot change by blubbering about all you want to, yelling or holding your breath. Just as it is wrong for someone like me to generalize all conservatives as "all of them" being racist (which I don't believe), it would be just as wrong for someone like you to generalize what all liberals believe in. Most liberals hold the belief that government exists as a means of not only providing for the common defense of our nation, but also as a means of regulating commerce to make sure that our water is safe to drink, our air safe to breathe, so and so on, as well as being able to help those who are in such dire need that the government can offer help to those such as the libertarian blogger who was calling for Tea Party followers to throw rocks and bricks through the windows of Democratic Congress members, even though this "Libertarian" is living off of a government issued check for his disability for his hypertension and high blood pressure. I could actually listen to conservatives who rail against high taxes and government intrusion into their lives if it wasn't for the hypocrisy of people like some of the older Tea Party members wanting to "Keep the government out of our health care" when they are receiving Medi-Care and Social Security payments, from the federal government. And as far as your links go, if you want to assert some viewpoint as a supposed fact, you really should find a source for the evidence to back up your assertion that has credibility, such as an accredited news source, not simply another blog or an institute that is churning out opinion.

  60. March 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Chris in Paso: You asked a simple question in the manner which I had asked you for a one word answer, so I kept the same response to you. Let me expand my answer a little; your question, again, was: "Do you believe that a material number of conservatives or members of the Tea Party movement are involved in such excesses or that such conduct is typical?" I answered, "yes, and to a degree, yes". First, I should have reversed that to say: "To a degree, yes, and yes." Here is my explanation; to say that a "material number" of conservatives or Tea Party members are involved, to me means: "Are a majority of the people who were involved in the rash of violent acts against Democratic lawmakers members of a Tea Party or do they consider themselves conservatives?" YES. The second part, "Is such conduct typical?" For those who believe it is okay to engage in acts of violence against representatives of our federal government, YES, that conduct is typical. One last expansion of my answer; I do not believe that a majority of conservatives think that violence is the answer. I also believe that a majority of Tea Party members do not condone violence as a means of expressing their frustration with what they view as our government representatives not being responsive to their concerns. I would also remind conservatives as a whole, and Tea Party members specifically that elections have consequences; Democratic Senators and House members are the majority party in control of the federal government at this time which means they are responding to those that elected them, meaning, conservatives and especially Tea Party members are a minority in this country; you and your leaders are not in charge, you don't get to dictate what happens, you don't get to decide. If you can field candidates that a majority of voters like and vote for and you once again become the majority party, you then get to be in charge of the direction of Congress, like the House of Representatives was from 1994 to 2006, like the Senate was from 2002 to 2008 and like the Presidency was from 2001 until 2009. What exactly did the Republicans accomplish as far as making our government better during that time? What legislation would you point to that benefitted a majority of Americans? What did the office of the President accomplish for eight years?

  61. March 27, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    So they just passed a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he didn't understand it, passed by a Congress that exempts themselves from it, signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,…… and better yet it is to be financed by a country that's broke?"

  62. March 28, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Bob: The semantics in my question were quite clear, but I can appreciate the fact that it is easy to misunderstand something on a quick read in a screen. I am also pleased to see that you apparently recognize that the conservative movement is not filled with violent nut cases.You are, of course, right that elections have consequences. That does not mean that the losers must fade quietly into the night, at least not in a democratic form of government with individual liberties. The Obama administration and the Democratic controlled Congress were swept into power as a reaction to failings in the Republican Party combined with a general mood seeking "hope and change" and a great deal of main stream media propaganda support.By November of this year, the electorate will have had almost two years to see what "hope and change" under the Democrats really means. The election will be a referendum on whether this country wants to become a European style social-democracy with high taxes, ridiculously generous social programs and social legislation as well as an extremely weak national security. (Hell, the Europeans couldn't even handle the Yugoslavian mess without us.) I know both systems well, and my fervent hope is that the American people will decide in favor of the type of individual liberty combined with individual responsibility and limited government that have made the United States the greatest force for good and genuine progress this World has ever seen.In the meantime, political discourse will be hot and heavy, but hopefully with no violence and also none of the type of cheap propaganda techniques used to demonize the conservative opposition in recent days.

  63. March 28, 2010 at 4:16 am

    With all due respect Chris, you seem to have been traumatized by your experience overseas. In fact, if you were there as a member of the military, you were actually being subject to propaganda, psychological warfare and to some degree brain-washing by the U.S. military, as happens to virtually all military personnel, although some people, because of their background, will be more predisposed to be influenced. The world HAS changed Chris. Even Carl von Clausewitz, the celebrated military historian would have to agree if he were alive today. And if he were he would see that new times call for new strategies.Many political "hawks" suffer from a degree of persecution complex or otherwise have deep seated fear and insecurity issues that color their outlook on life and what they draw to themselves, and how they filter it, filtering away that which does not fit their preconceived notion of how they believe the world to work and the way their ego feels most empowered.Peace, Brother!..

  64. March 28, 2010 at 5:33 am

    All the absurd and scurrilous attacks on President Obama appear to have firmed up his resolve to do what what he believes is good for our nation. President Obama is demonstrating remarkable courage and leadership at this critical, dangerous time in our nation's history, as forces wrap themselves in the American flag, desecrating it, attempting to stir up rebellion, terrorism and civil war in America, in something they call "Operation Chaos". So President Obama is moving swiftly and firmly:www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/politics/28recess.html?hpMay God bless you, President Obama!..

  65. March 28, 2010 at 6:40 am

    Chris: It is pleasant to have a discussion with someone who is so different from my own viewpoint that doesn't automatically jump into hysterics when trying to get their point across. You have however made a "semantic" mistake (IMO) in your characterization about how the push for healthcare reform is a move towards, in your words: " … to become a European style social-democracy with high taxes, ridiculously generous social programs and social legislation as well as an extremely weak national security." As much as I would prefer for the United States of America to become a "social-democracy" (and I really do appreciate your ability to use the correct terminology), our current political arrangement will not allow that to happen. We have too much money in politics to allow even a discussion about real change, and most of the Democratic politicians in office would be much too squeamish to allow the Defense Department to have to go on a real serious belt tightening program (you do understand that our military spending is more than all other countries, COMBINED!). Conservatives love to throw out the old tired and oft repeated mantra that Democrats are weak on defense, so many Democrats try to "out bluster" the Republicans in all matters military. In my simple opinion, it would be possible to trim the military budget IN HALF, not skip a beat at defending America, balance the budget and be able to finance the many needed social programs that serve so many Americans. How many military bases around the world do we truly need? How many nuclear arms does it take to make us "safe"? How many weapons have we paid to develop that just plain old don't work? I'll wager that most any general or admiral could take a red pen through the military budget and slash the thing in half without breaking too much of a sweat, IF that general or admiral wasn't concerned about the cushy consulting job that is waiting for them once they retire. The other reason that the bloated military budget will not face a serious reduction is due to the money that defense contractors, weapons makers and consulting firms pour into the coffers of the politicians, both Democratic and Republican. But to me the saddest part about a conservative bringing up a "European style social-democracy" is that we could provide a single payer system that does away with private insurance completely, would cover every single American, would pay every single doctor, would maintain world class medical care, and it would be cheaper than what we have now. But because it would take away the profit of some, we cannot allow that to happen, and conservatives will defend that course of action as if they were fighting for their life. As for high taxes, simply go back to the tax rates that were in place before Ronald Reagan was elected president; Medi-Care and Social Security would be fully funded, the individual states would stop being bled dry by the federal government, and corporations would start re-investing in their companies instead of paying the higher tax rates on their revenue.

  66. March 28, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Obama is putting to rest forever the fallacious notion that all that Obama has done to the nation is in response to the Bush administration's 8 years of "mismanagement". Obama's 2011 budget will consume 90% of this nation's economic output. It will be the highest ratio since the 109% experienced during WWII, a time when the entire nation mobilized into a wartime economy. The CBO has scored the budget and found that the 2011 budget will more than DOUBLE the national debt with $10 TRILLION in new debt over the next ten years, which is $1 trillion deficits every year. This is far and away MORE DEBT than Bush the first and George W. Bush did TOGETHER. The Obama 2011 budget will cost each and every household in America $170,000. There was NOTHING, not one damn thing, zero, zip, zilch, nada, that George W. Bush EVER did in his 8 years in office that would necessitate Obama heaping $1 trillion worth of new debt on our grandchildren, period. This is a doubling of the debt entirely of Obama's making.This is on top of the new dependancy class that Obama created with his healthcare abomination. It is $700 billion underfinanced.And who is going to provide Obama $1 trillion in new debt every year? It won't be the chinese. I certainly can't be the British since they have Greece's collapse in impending bailout to deal with. So who will pay for Obama's debt spending? WE will. Obama will monitize the debt which will result in more unemployment, more jobs leaving America, and a double-dip recession. I am here to tell you that Obama's solution to this high debt to taxes ratio is that he will propose and try to cram through a Value Added Tax, which will strangle to death our industry and make America the highest taxed nation in the world.Oh, and for an encore, he will try to legalize 12 million poor Mexicans and give THEM taxpayer financed "free" healthcare. After all, Obama will RAISE the number of uninsured by 12 million if he successfully gives them amnesty.Please understand, I am only speaking the truth here. I don't want any of these things. I would much prefer that Obama froze the budget, actually attacked the fraud, waste and abuses in all facets of the government and reigned in his uncontrolled spending ways. But this is Obama we're talking about. I think this is all part of his master plan to "humble" America and make us no better than Europe. Well, let's see: high debt, nationalized health insurance they can't afford, declining productivity, high unemployment, a minority of foriegn born workers that have no connection to the nation they live and work in, the VAT, and insane amounts of government spending. Yep, there's no doubt: Obama is trying very hard to make us just as jacked up as Europe.

  67. March 29, 2010 at 4:07 am

    Wise Guy:Just a bit of background info. Although I first went to Germany as a young GI in 1971, that was only for a couple of years. I went back as a civilian in 1975 and had no relationship whatsoever to the US military. I lived on the economy for almost 30 years and experienced everything just as the Germans did. I also studied German law and became a German lawyer, so I am very well versed about life over there.I also had my share of contact with West German communists from the DKP (Deutshe Kommunistische Partei) as well as East German communists. I doubt that I will ever again experience the type of euphoria we all felt over there when the Wall came tumbling down in Nov. 1989.But perhaps a strong Republican victory this coming November will come close.

  68. March 29, 2010 at 4:11 am

    Bob, you do realize that the defense budget only makes up 23% of the budget. True, our budget is more than all of the other nations combined. But you forget what we pay for with that budget. The "social-democracies" of Europe have been free riders on American security for the the last 65 years. The US nuclear umbrella protected Europe during the Cold War. It was US soldiers that stood in the Fulda Gap keeping the Soviet tank divisions out of Western Europe. Europe has so taken advantage of the security we provide that they have defense budgets that are fractions of a percent of their GDP. You forget that our 10 carrier navy provides security for all that traverse the oceans. Freedom of navigation ensures that goods are not molested as they transit places like the Straits of Malacca between Singapore and Indonesia. Piracy would be rampant on the high seas were it not for our navy. Also, our navy is a direct extension of our State Department because nothing brings a would-be adversary to compliance faster than parking an aircraft carrier off their shores. We did this with Libya, Iraq, Iran and others. More importantly, however, is that we already spends over HALF of the total budget on your much beloved social programs. Medicare takes up 19%, Social Security takes another 20% and other mandatory spending takes 17%. As I have stated in other posts, if the Democrats in Congress had actually had the balls to propose a single-payer system that got rid of S-CHIP, medicare, medicaid, the VA, and the military's TriCare and created one system. I wouldn't like it any more than ObamaCare, but at least I could respect the intellectual arguments for that genuine reform more. But, Bob, you consistently overlook what is already spent on our welfare programs and focus on what we spend on military programs. If it was so easy to just slash our defense budget and transfer it to social programs, it would have been done decades ago. Fact is that when any liberal like yourself actually tries to get a "peace dividend" out of the military, some country goes rogue and needs our military to put them back in check. Look at Clinton. he tried to eek a peace dividend after Desert Storm and then was smacked with needing the military to extend their mission in Somalia, secure Bosnia, bomb Yugoslavia, retake Haiti and bomb Iraq repeatedly. This is the reality of our security blanket we extend to the free nations of the world and the reality you refuse to acknowledge as you covet the defense budget to spend on ever-wasteful social programs. Keep in mind that the Great Society has FAILED to end poverty. Truth is that even with medicare and Medicaid, there are MORE people in poverty today than there were in 1966. While Medicare and medicaid expenditures have skyrocketed over the decades since their enactment into law, the poverty rates in America have remain a constant percentage of the population. This means that there are more poor in America now WITH Medicare/Medicaid in effect. Of course, the liberal thought process is that we need to spend MORE money and that the fallacious argument "well, just think how bad things would be without medicare or medicaid". That is the same fallacious thinking that allows liberals to rationalize the trillions dollars wasted on these programs as well as the trillion we wasted on the "stimulus" plan and the 2 trillion we will waste on ObamaCare. Your programs fail every time they are tried, Bob. Why don't you do something useful with your time and try to come up with a system that doesn't reinforce the already proven failures of the current system?

  69. March 29, 2010 at 4:11 am

    Big Tent REPUBLICAN, what is this xenophobic notion you keep spewing that suggests the United States is so much "better" than European nations? What is so "jacked up" (whatever that means) about European nations? Believe it or not, most Europeans truly love their countries and have not interest in living anywhere else.There is no need to make Europe our enemy, scapegoat or whipping boy. We do not need to create more bogus boogeymen to help scare and herd Americans like fearful sheep.The trouble with self-centered notions like those spewed by the Big Tent REPUBLICAN is that it treats international affairs as if it were some sort of football game where you mindlessly cheer for your team to kick everyone else's ass. It's an aggressive, arrogant stance and has done much to harm the world in the 21st Century. And why not help 12 million poor Mexicans who have worked hard to contribute to the United States economy? Isn't there some fairness, justice and compassion in this? Isn't THAT a big part of what makes the United States a great nation? I think so. Does Big Tent REPUBLICAN enjoy seeing people from other nations suffer (get their "ass kicked)? I think so. This is more evidence of a destructive fear and insecurity that infects the psyche of people like Big Tent, people who are struck in the self-limiting scarcity mentality; an attitude that encourages a constantly devouring over-indulgence and selfishness and striving to consume before others might. It's another aspect of modern insanity, a type of insanity that makes our world more dangerous, crude and rude. Makes me think of Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Savage and other bullies, cry babies and spoiled brats.. By the way, Obama hasn't even spent one tenth of what George W. Bush spent. What Obama is spending is to repair the devastation of "conservative" politics..

  70. March 29, 2010 at 6:04 am

    Well Chris, nothing you stated contradicts my suspicions. And you seem to have bought the propaganda that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the Berlin wall coming down. It was coming down anyway and Ronald Reagan knew it and tried to take credit. How typical. Republicans are no more responsible for the wall coming down than are Democrats. Republicans have nothing good going for them so they have to work overtime constructing a myth around Ronald Reagan, a man who is worth more to Republicans by being dead rather than alive.

  71. March 29, 2010 at 11:07 am

    You are not "wise", Wise Guy. Your new name is Wrong Guy, because you are always wrong, wrong, wrong.First and foremost, America is better than the other nations of Europe. The only way Europe can compete with America economically is to create their European Union and unite like the United States is united. The United States of America is doing far, far, better than Greece (who needs a bailout bad), Italy with its rampant corruption, France and Germany with their perinnally high unemployment rates. Spain's economy is sinking fast as is Portugal. So, yes, statistically the United States is better than the nations of Europe. You totally ignore the major premise of my response to Bob, that europe affords their natioanlized healthcare because America pays for their security. So typical.America's military exists with the primary mission of protecting and defending America. I feel no need to apologize for our country when shitheel dictators get their "asses kicked" by our excellent military; they had it coming. If the 12 million Mexicans were here on a visa or a green card and followed the law would be one thing. However, these are 12 million illegal Mexicans living in our country illegally. Honestly, I am more concerned about the 20 million native-born Americans of mexican decent that are unemployed because illegal Mexicans take jobs from them. I'm worried about the 20 million native-born Americans of mexican decent that are denied entry to college; not the children of illegal mexicans who are given in-state tuition even though they are not supposed to be in America. Where is your concern for the poor Americans that are denied work because there is a constant flow of slave labor from Mexico. I bet you didn't know that most of the reconstruction work done in New Orleans following Katrina was done by illegal Mexican labor. There were millions of poor black and mexican-American men that were frozen out of the reconstruction market because vitual slaves from Mexico were working for pennies on the dollar. Where is your concern or compassion for them? What is fair about 12 million illegal aliens stealing jobs from Americans of the same heritage. In this case, being born American is a disadvantage when it comes to the low skilled labor market.Wrong Guy, you are all wrong. Wrong about what I think, wrong about where America needs to go for the future, wrong about the past and just plain wrong on the facts. Wrong Guy, you need to go back to school and read a book or two. Turn off Airhead America or whatever liberal claptrap that is poisoning your mind and close out your bookmarked DailyKos pages. You really need to update your talking points, Wrong Guy.

  72. March 29, 2010 at 11:13 am

    By the way, Wrong Guy, you are wrong again on your debt figures. George W. Bush came into office with a $5.6 trillion debt and left office with a $9.9 trillion debt. That is a $4.3 trillion dollar increase. Barack Hussein Obama has been in office less than two years. his first year increased the debt from the $9.9 trillion to $12.3 trillion. That is a ONE YEAR increase of $2.4 trillion. His 2011 budget adds another trillion dollars and will do so every year until 2020 when the debt is projected by the CBO to be $20 trillion dollars. Wrong Guy is just wrong on the facts… again.

  73. March 29, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    "First and foremost, America is better than the other nations of Europe." BTR"The United States of America is doing far, far, better than Greece (who needs a bailout bad), Italy with its rampant corruption, France and Germany with their perinnally high unemployment rates." BTRAmerica better than Europe?Greece? Why is Greece in chains?With all due respect BTR, so many fanciful errors so early does not bode well for the rest of what you wrote. Perhaps is you were to narrow it down and double check your choices…

  74. March 29, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Obama is still paying to repair the "conservative" disaster. Big Tent REPUBLICAN's premise that the United States is inherently and universally and unconditionally "better" than any European nation is absurd, especially because of the way he measures "better", basing it primarily on economics, as if the amount of money one possesses or generates determines the inherent good of a person or a nation. But more fundamentally, is his xenophobic notion that we need to celebrate (and rub into other's faces" that the United States and its citizens are "better" than every other country and their people, or their lifestyles or their politics. Can't we just accept that some people have different lifestyles and values and that it is not productive to accurate to arrogantly declare other people and other ways of living as universally "worse" than the way we live? Everything does not have to come down to dollar signs or be evaluated on the most base economic terms. There are many ways to calculate things, many factors that can be considered. Personally, I am happy to be an American, but I don't consider myself or my country "better" than all else. I can appreciate and see the value in other people and other ways of living, and even when I can't, I would never be so condescending and arrogant to tell someone or some nation that I am "better" than them because I make more money.Once again, Big Tent, we'll just have to agree to disagree.. (And its interesting to note all the many issues I have brought up that challenge the "conservative" propaganda that Big Tent Republican continually ignores.)..

  75. March 30, 2010 at 3:34 am

    Obama wasted $5 billion on "weatherizing" home as a part of his 'greening' projects contained in the so-called "stimulus" program. In California, one of the most populace states in the union, only created 84 jobs and weatherized a whopping TWELVE homes.This is EXACTLY the kind of results we will see with ObamaCare: huge costs, very little benefits

  76. March 30, 2010 at 5:07 am

    Wanting to always prove yourself "better" or insist on always being "right" is boorish and does not bring peace to either the boor or his audience. The reason I object to Big Tent REPUBLICAN's insistence that the United States is simply "better" than all other nations, with all other nations considered, in his own words "jacked up" is that it invokes a head-in-the-assand attitude, as if the United States has and never will find anything to learn from other nations. This is simply foolish., Twenty years ago friends laughed in my face when I told them that India is so far advanced spiritually that the energy will arise and India will become one of the most economically and culturally and scientifically advanced nations in the world, with an influence that will rival any "superpower" nation. That India very likely will be the the future superpower nation. But all my friends knew of India, or thought they knew, was of "starving masses" in Calcutta and gurus who slept on beds of nails, and people who supposedly "worshipped" cows. They could never imagine that firms like Microsoft would be building their largest overseas headquarters in a city in India they had never heard of. Finally, they could not conceive of how any of these seemingly impossible things could happen because of people in India who, for thousands of years, have fervently prayed and imbued their land with a spiritual essence that would slowly emerge and come to fruition in seemingly miraculous ways. India is the most tolerant toward religions of all faiths of any nation. The worlds largest synagogue is in India. Americans are rarely taught these things. Americans are not taught lots of positive things that are happening beyond our borders.Maybe that is because too many "Americans" think they and their nation are so much better than everyone else. And that has been one of America's greatest downfalls. America, a little over 200 years young is a cocky, arrogant, bullying, insecure adolescent who thinks he knows everything and likes to get in fights that are stupid. Too many of its citizens are naively susceptible to every con man and carnival barker who comes down the pike. The Republican Party of the 21st Century is no more the "Party of Abraham Lincoln" than a beaker of piss is a Coca Cola. The party was taken over by hacks and snake oil salesmen and a few sociopaths. It's remains that way today. Anyone who went to hear Karl "Twinkie the Kid" Rove speak locally here the other day could see that the Republican's are being herded by shysters and sickos. How much more obvious does it need to be?…

  77. March 31, 2010 at 6:17 am

    Wrong Guy is wrong again. My America is better attitude is not a "head-in-the-assand attitude" as he so immaturely states (so juvenile). My opinion is born of fact.Fact is that America SAVED the free world from nazism and fascism during WWII.Fact is that America SAVED the free world from Soviet style communism during the Cold War. Fact is that America SAVED South Korea from first Communist North Korea and then Communist China during the Korean War. Fact is that Americans give more money than any other nation on earth in times of crisis. This is born out from the donations provided both publically and privately to the Aceh tsunami, the Haitian earthquake, to famine and AIDS in Africa, to the Bangledeshies after their cyclone. The list goes on and on.Fact is that America provides security to the other nations of Europe through our NATO alliance. The "attack one – attack all" provision of the NATO charter OBLIGATES the United States to go to war on behalf of those smaller, less capable european nations. Fact is that America has the number one economy in the world. Even China is second despite its billion plus people. India is fourth or fifth.When the people of the world are asked individually, the one nation that a vast majority would rather live in than their own country is the United States of America.Honor killings, when they occur in Detroit, by muslims are prosecuted when they are discovered to the fullest extent of the law in America. In the muslim world, whacking you daughter because she decided to wear lipstick is just par for the course. Women in general are treated far, far better in America than in almost every other place in the world. India still has the caste system either in reality or a de facto system. China aborts more female babies every year than the US aborted, both genders, in a decade because of their "one child" policy. It is not just my opinion that America is better than the rest. The facts support it.

  78. March 31, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    What's your point, Big Tent REPUBLICAN? I stand by my previous comments. And please tell me what GOOD does it do to prance and chest-pound and declare that America and Americans are "better" than everyone else in the world? (And if it is true, why the need to rub it in everyone's faces? Isn't that just plain rude and crude and insulting and generating animosity and violence (the Rush Limbaugh approach)?Bottom line is that I think it is absurd to declare that the United States is universally "better" in every aspect than every other nation in the world. Our nation has problems and it only makes things worse when people pretend that we have nothing to learn from other cultures and show such disrespect to our brothers and sisters in different lands (many of whom would not move to the United States even if you paid them to.) ..

  79. March 31, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    To say the United States is "better" than every other nation in the world, is like saying the heart is the "best" organ in the body because it pumps all the vital blood. But that is a narrow viewpoint. The truth is that other organs are required for a fully functioning, healthful body. There is something of value in all the organs, and in some cases we don't even understand their full value. Even the appendix and the tonsils, organs that were once thought to have little or no value, are being reconsidered as having a health affirming value that had not been recognized.It's true that organs can become diseased. The United States has its own share of disease. It is time for healing. All the nations are organs of this world and comprise a totality, physically and spiritually, that none of us fully understand or appreciate. It is counter-productive and unhealthy to consider one as being "better" than all the others..

  80. April 1, 2010 at 2:46 am

    To follow Wrong Guy's innane analogy one step further… There are some organs that ARE better and more important than others. You can get a heart transplant.Unfortunately for Wrong Guy, you CAN"T get a brain transplant. You can live without kidneys through dialysis, but you can't live without lungs. Victims of 3rd degree burns know first hand how hard it is to live without the skin, the largest organ of the body. Bringing it all the way around, while yes, we are all nations of the earth, some nations are more vital to the well-being of the free society than others. As rich and wonderful as Luxembourg's history is, they are not vital to the global security picture. Portugese people were essential to the exploration of the world back in the 1600's. However, their economy ranks behind the UAE and Ireland's economies.Of course the worth or value placed on one thing over another is always subjective. My point is that the value and worth of the US to the world is of proven value and the history of humanity, especially in the last 100 years has been greatly shaped by the US, more than any other one nation. If you still have a problem with my opinion on the subject, then that is YOUR problem. btw, did anyone see that President Obama has "changed" his mind and is now IN FAVOR of off-shore oil drilling? 2 things: Obviously, Palin has been vindicated by Obama. DRILL BABY DRILL.Second, Obama has tacitly admitted that his "green" programs are FAILING to move the US off of the carbon based economy that he hates so much. The "bridge" to energy independence with more domestic drilling was what WE CONSERVATIVES said during the campaign. Obama has repudiated his green weenie granola eating eco-communist supporters in favor of the reality that we can't get to "energy independence" without greater supplies of oil and gas from places the US controls. GOP proved right by Obama… again.the only thing that has "changed" is Obama's opinion vis-a-vie his campaign statements on gitmo, trying terrorists in America, warrantless wiretaps, off-shore drilling, Iraq and Afghanistan, and big business. Like I have said before, the longer Obama stays in office, the more like Bush he is. Barrack Hussein Obush lives.

  81. April 1, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Sorry Big Tent dude, your "logic" does not make sense. For instance, you imply that lungs are "better" than a heart because a heart can be transplanted. Or that kidneys are not better because dialysis can replace most of their function. As for your mention of "skin", I can't figure out where you're putting that on your unique hierarchy, i.e., Would "skin" be above or below "lungs"? There is no rational logic there, my friend. Big Tent REPUBLICAN, I think you better stick to your emotional ranting and name calling, because it's obvious that you're not too good with logic or analogies (although I'll give you a point for knowing what an analogy is.) ..

  82. April 1, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Thank you Big Tent. It will now be easy to imagine you laying in an iron lung, with multiple skin grafts, a transplanted heart and hooked up to a dialysis machine as you tell us "No problem. Everything is fine. Kidneys and healthy lungs are overrated. I'm perfectly healthy!"..

  83. April 16, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    "If rats can learn this, is there any hope that those on the right can learn as well?" Well Winston, Conservatives have learned this. It's called charity. Now, it's time for liberals to learn this.So, the spit turned out not to be spit, the N word nurned out not to be, so what you are hearing on tape is Americans (above average in intelligence and income) are angy and voicing opinions against high taxes.

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