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The Issue of Racism

Matt and I are thrilled with how our show turned out last week. Thanks for all the phone calls and emails as we covered everything from Rush Limbaugh to racism and even having fun with airline passenger horror stories. I think we’ll have a tough time following up on those shows, but it was a nice mix of national and local topics. Be sure to check out the podcasts on our web site 24-7 for any segments you missed.

I am especially appreciative to racism oral historian and teacher Lani Silver of lanisilver.com for her back-to-back appearances Thursday and Friday to discuss racism in terms of the Bill O’Reilly controversy and our local flap out at Cuesta involving a trustee on the governing board. I thought the dialogue was very constructive and we heard from a wide variety of people.

However, I don’t think O’Reilly in this case deserves the same protection as Rush. As I argued earlier in the week, and on this blog, rush never made the statement about phony soldiers and that is a complete smear campaign against him. But O’Reilly DID make his comments about black people in the Harlem restaurant despite all the attempts by his defenders Thursday night to suggest we were making it up or taking it out of context. Lani came back on Friday and demonstrated the facts.

After that, we disagree. I don’t think O’Reilly is a racist. He’s just naive and apparently hasn’t been exposed to much diversity over the years. Here’s a sixtysomething white male gushing over the fact that black people in a restaurant aren’t any different than an all-white eatery? This guy lives and works in New York. He needs to get out more. But a racist? No.

With Cuesta, it’s a bit more disturbing only because Mat Mathiesen (who hosts a Saturday show on kVEC) is on the board of trustees at a university where all students and faculty are governed by a code that recognizes diversity in education. For him to suggest that a black person would not be comfortable as president of Cuesta, and then back it up by saying he really meant they wouldn’t be comfortable in the community because they wouldn’t have any friends, well . . . .that’s just silly and insulting.

What is more disturbing is that his fellow board members rush to excuse or explain away Mat’s comments with a weak defense like :”Well, it’s his Norwegian accent….” Please. One would hope that the board would publicly distance themselves from such remarks and reinforce Cuesta’s commitment to diversity. Mat, if he is going to stay on the board, needs some serious training about racial diversity.

Sadly, as we heard in numerous calls both nights, racism continues to rear its ugly head on the Central Coast. Story after story of people treated differently simply because of the color of their skin.

I thought this was 2007.

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  1. IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY SAID THIS
    October 7, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Someone Finally Said It
    (And it’s long over-due.)

    PROUD TO BE WHITE
    How many are actually paying attention to this?
    There are African Americans,

    Mexican Americans,
    Asian Americans,
    Arab Americans,
    Native Americans, etc.
    …And then there are just –
    Americans.

    You pass me on the street
    and sneer in my direction.
    You Call me “White boy,”
    “Cracker,” “Honkey,”
    “Whitey,” “Caveman,”
    … And that’s OK.

    But when I call you Nigger,
    Kike, Towel head,
    Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey,
    Beaner, Gook, or Chink
    … You call me a racist.

    You say that whites commit a lot
    of violence against you,
    so why are the ghettos the most
    dangerous places to live?

    You have the United Negro College Fund.
    You have Martin Luther King Day.
    You have Black History Month.
    You have Cesar Chavez Day.
    You have Ma’uled Al-Nabi.
    You Have Yom Hashoah.
    You have the NAACP.
    And you have BET.

    If we had WET
    (White Entertainment Television)
    … We’d be racists.

    If we had a White Pride Day
    … You would call us racists.

    If we had White History Month
    … We’d be racists.

    If we had any organization for only whites to “advance” OUR lives
    … We’d be racists.

    We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce,
    a Black Chamber of Commerce,
    and then we just have the plain
    Chamber of Commerce.
    I Wonder who pays for that?

    If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships
    … You know we’d be racists.

    There are over 60 openly-proclaimed Black-only Colleges in the US,yet if there were “White-only Colleges”
    … THAT would be a racist college.

    In the Million Man March,
    you believed that you were
    marching for your race and rights.
    If we marched for our race and rights,
    … You would call us racists.

    You are proud to be black,
    brown, yellow and orange,
    and you’re not afraid to announce it.
    But when we announce our white pride
    … You call us racists.

    You rob us,
    carjack us,
    and shoot at us.
    But, when a white police officer
    shoots a black gang member
    or beats up a black drug-dealer
    who is running from the LAW and
    posing a threat to ALL of society
    … You call him a racist.

    I am proud.
    … But, you call me a racist.

    Why is it that only whites can be racists?

  2. Halcyon Harry
    October 7, 2007 at 12:20 am

    Yes Dave, all great subjects last week. Feel free to take Saturday and Sunday off and do it again next week.

    As for racism, I think people are often mixing socio-economic class with racial issues. If I was in a low-scale restaurant in Downtown Oakland or L.A. (I’ve done both), my observations would be different than in something more upscale, and it isn’t based on race. I have no use for the hip-hop, thug, loud, pick-a-fight type of person whether they are black, white, latino, asian, or Martian.

    If someone called me an elitist, I’d say they’re just not understanding me. It’s not about race either.

    So, I agree Mr. O’Reilly needs to get out more. I think he’ll find that respectful people are great to be around of all ethnic groups, especially those that have achieved (or are working hard to) the American Dream.

    I’ve definitely experienced what O’Reilly described he expected to see, and it was about social class and economics, not race. But, yes, he needs some re-programming.

  3. Rich from Paso
    October 7, 2007 at 2:02 am

    Dave, there are two things here.

    First, I feel that we have another tempest in a teapot brought forth by your fav site, Media Matters. They purposefully took Bill O’Reilly’s words out of context, just like Rush Limbaugh, and applied their own interpretation of reality to the clip and then trotted it out for the mainstream media to gobble up and regurgitate on dozens of shows. To provide the context here (because I’m sure that none of you watch his show or listen to his radio program; I only saw the show in this case): HE WAS HAVING DINNER WITH AL SHARPTON!! Rev. Al and Bill have dinner every year at Sylvia’s (Bill picks up the tab). Bill O’Reilly was saying during the clip in question that he loves going to Harlem to eat at venerated spots like Sylvia’s and he was admonishing white America for not frequenting places like Sylvia’s more. His point was that people are the same and that black people in the restaurant behave no different than white people behave in a restaurant. He was saying that there are more foreigners that go to Harlem than white American New Yorkers and tourists. He had both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on his TV show and neither one felt that O’Reilly was a racist. What we have here is that smear-machine Media Matters trumping up another phony scandal (no, Bob, I’m not saying that all scandals are phony or even that all Media Matters induced scandals are phony). MM is in the business of “gotcha” politics, probably serving at the behest of Hillary Clinton if she is believed that she created MM, et al. MM is part and parcel of the polarization of political process whereby they take out of context words spoken and then tell you what you are to think about it. MM is just as divisive and damaging to the process as anything you can point to on the right.

    As for Cuesta, those are racist comments. Anytime you try to stereotype expected behavior of a racial group, you are a racist. There is no reason why Mat should even be dedicating braincells to even contemplate why a black, white, yellow or green person would do. But the only thing worse than a racist is an apologist for a racists. The person that blamed his Norweigian accent for the comments being heard in a racist manner should have been fired on the spot for just being a collossal moron. There should have been a moment of reflection on that statement and the person should have heard how pathetic the explanation was and just stayed quiet. The fact is that, even in 2007, there are people who, without actually getting to know people and broaden their horizons, think they know them by what they see on TV. They are blithely ignorant and afraid of the group using everything they see or hear to reinforce their racism.

  4. get a grip
    October 7, 2007 at 4:20 am

    Anytime a guy that lives in a town of less than 30,000 people tells a news genius and best selling author that lives in New York city to “get out more often”…somebody is taking themselves way too seriously.

    C’mon Dave! Bill’s Cable news show dominates cable by more than double. His radio show is a full on nationwide success!

    You have maybe 15,000 listeners and 8 that blog. You gotta keep things real, and in perspective.

  5. Dave Congalton
    October 7, 2007 at 4:47 am

    Hey Grip,

    You need to get out more often if you consider O’Reilly to be a news genius. That’s the first time I’ve heard that argument. Pretty funny!

    So how do you explain your 61-year-old news genius saying such stupid statements? He obviously doesn’t mix much with people from different races.

    Try again, Grip.

  6. get a grip try again
    October 7, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    OK Dave, here is my next try. Let me know how I did!
    Some of Bill Oreilly’s accomplishments
    ·Best selling author of numerous books.
    ·Champion of Jessica’s law to protect children.
    ·Watch over liberal judges that give lenient sentences.
    ·Hold some charity organizations such as the Red Cross accountable.
    ·Initiated a boycott France campaign over the Iraq controversy at the UN.
    ·Put the spot light on Ward Churchill and eventually lead to his dismissal.
    ·Put the spotlight on Sami Al-Arian, the Florida Professor who is raising money to support terrorist organization.
    ·Publicized the connection between George Soros and the moveon.org left wing website and other 527 political groups.
    ·Started a Culture Warrior campaign against the Secular Progressive movement.
    ·Brought the ACLU to the attention of the public in their war against Christmas and the boy scouts.

    NEW YORK, Oct. 4. Westwood One announced today that a new agreement has been reached to continue distributing FOX News’ Factor with Bill O’Reilly nationally.
    The Radio Factor with Bill O’Reilly launched on May 8, 2002 on a record 205 stations nationwide, making it the biggest launch in the history of talk radio. The Radio Factor with Bill O’Reilly has now grown to over 400 stations, in 100 of the top 100 markets, Radio Factor affiliates have experienced dramatic ratings increases since its debut.

    Bill O’Reilly is the host of FOX News Channel’s The O’Reilly Factor, which is the MOST WATCHED NEWS PROGRAM IN THE UNITED STATES.
    The highly rated Radio Factor with Bill O’Reilly focuses on the events and people making headlines, giving listeners nationwide a chance to sound off, on more than 400 stations! 400!

    Bill Oreilly are revered by the left…He scares the poopoo out of them. This quote came from the radical left Huffington blog by writer Danny Schechter; quote: “Bashing Fox and O’Reilly only encourages them. It feeds right into their strategy. They love it.” Case & point!

    ORIELLY’S HALL OF SHAME
    Media Outlets that Traffic in Defamation
    We believe the following media operations have regularly helped distribute defamatory, false or non-newsworthy information supplied by far left websites: The St. Petersburg Times MSNBC ØThe New Yorker Magazine
    Newsday
    US News & World Report
    Atlanta Journal-Constitution ØSyracuse Post-Standard
    Kansas City Star
    Roanoke Times Ø
    Barre-Montpelier Times-Argus

    We believe these are the worst offenders and are not worth your time and money. In the months to come we expect to add more names to this list. We recommend that you do not patronize or advertise with the above.

    MEDIA OUTLETS SOFT ON CHILD PREDATORS

    We are instituting a list on BillOReilly.com of media outlets we believe are soft on child predators. We’re doing this because it is becoming increasingly clear to us that there are press operations that are not actively supporting Jessica’s Law or sympathizing with judges who do not adequately punish child rapists.
    So the following media, in our opinion, are derelict in their obligation to protect American children.
    The Dayton Daily News (Ohio)
    The Rutland Herald (Vermont)
    The Bennington Banner (Vermont) The Brattleboro Reformer (Vermont) The St. Petersburg Times (Florida)

    Bill Oreilly has championed the Jessica’s Law in the United States. To date all but a few radically liberal states have passed that law.

    Bill Oreilly has single handedly removed radical liberal judges from the bench for misusing their power by legislating from the bench. If you are a judge you don’t want to be the target of the Culture Warrior Bill Oreilly.

    As an author Bill Oreilly has pubshled these best selling Books:

    1) Kids Are Americans Too
    2) Culture Warrior
    3) The O’Reilly Factor for Kids
    4) Who’s Looking Out For You?
    5) The No Spin Zone
    6) The O’Reilly Factor Those Who Trespass

    As a columnist Oreilly is unequalled. Here is a list of publications that carry Oreilly’s columns:

    Ketchikan Daily News AK
    The Cullman Times AL
    Times Daily AL
    Montgomery Advertiser.com AL
    El Dorado News Times AR
    Casa Grande Dispatch AZ
    The Desert Advocate AZ
    Green Valley News AZ
    Prescott Newspapers, Inc.AZ
    Daily Republic Fairfield CA
    The Desert Sun Palm SpringsbCA
    Antelope Valley Press CA
    California Contractor CA
    Ventura County Star CA
    Daily News CA
    Siskiyou Daily News CA
    Canon City Daily Record CO
    Longmont Daily Times-Call CO
    New Haven Register CT
    Waterbury Republican-American Waterbury CT
    Human Events Washington DC
    Human Events Online Washington DC
    The Washington Times Washington DC
    Washington Times Nat’l Weekly Washington DC
    Washington Times Online Washington DC
    The Daily Breeze Cape Coral FL
    South FL. Sun & Sentinel Fort Lauderdale FL
    NaplesNews.Com Naples FL
    Ocala Star-Banner Ocala FL
    Newsmax Magazine West Palm Beach FL
    Appen Newspapers Alpharetta GA
    The Amarillo Globe-News Augusta GA
    The Examiner Augusta GA
    Yankton Daily Press Augusta GA
    The Brunswick News Brunswick GA
    The Columbus Ledger & Enquirer Columbus GA
    The Fayette Citizen Fayetteville GA
    Gwinnett Daily Post Lawrenceville GA
    The Macon Telegraph & News Macon GA
    Marietta Daily Journal Marietta GA
    Midweek Printing Honolulu HI
    Maui News Wailuku HI
    Conservative Chronicle Hampton IA
    Conservative Chronicle Online Hampton IA
    Times-Republican Marshalltown IA
    Sioux City Journal Sioux City IA
    Daily Freeman-Journal Webster City IA
    The Morning News Blackfoot ID
    Bloomington Daily Pantagraph Bloomington IL
    Sun-Times Chicago IL
    Herald and Review Decatur IL
    Daily Chronicle DeKalb IL
    Herald-News Joliet IL
    Macomb Journal Macomb IL
    The Times Ottawa IL
    Pekin Daily Times Pekin IL
    Quincy Herald Whig Quincy IL
    The Taylorville Daily Breeze Taylorville IL
    Indianapolis Business Journal Indianapolis IN
    The News-Sun Kendallville IN
    Reporter Lebanon IN
    The News Dispatch Michigan City IN
    The Petersburg Press-Dispatch Petersburg IN
    Daily News Bowling Green KY
    Bastrop Daily Enterprise Bastrop LA
    Hobbs Daily News-Sun Lake Charles LA
    Minden Press-Herald Minden LA
    The Daily Iberian New Iberia LA
    Boston Herald Boston MA
    The Enterprise Brockton MA
    Westfield Evening News Westfield MA
    Times-News Cumberland MD
    The Daily Times Salisbury MD
    The Alpena News Alpena MI
    The Daily Press Escanaba MI
    The Mining Journal Marquette MI
    The Macomb Daily Mount Clemons MI
    Fairmont Sentinel Fairmont MN
    St. Paul Legal Ledger St. Paul MN
    Columbia Daily Tribune Columbia MO
    The Lebanon Daily Record Lebanon MO
    Neosho Daily News Neosho MO
    Daily American Republic Poplar Bluff MO
    West News Magazine St. Louis MO
    Independent News Sullivan MO
    The Daily Corinthian Corinth MS
    The Newton Record Newton MS
    The Vicksburg Post Vicksburg MS
    The Livingston Enterprise Livingston MT
    The Smokey Mountain Sentinel Hayesville NC
    Kernersville News Kernersville NC
    The Daily Herald Roanoke Rapids NC
    The Minot Daily News Minot ND
    Trade West Grand Isle NE
    Telegraph North Platte NE
    Farm Dayta Omaha NE
    York Trade & Transactions York NE
    Elko Daily Free Press Elko NV
    Liberty Watch Las Vegas NV
    Reno Gazette Journal Reno NV
    The Recorder Amsterdam NY
    The Daily News Batavia NY
    Press & Sun-Bulletin Binghamton NY
    Jewish World Review Brooklyn NY
    The Leader Herald Groversville NY
    Post Journal Jamestown NY
    Adirondack Enterprise Lake NY
    New York Post New York NY
    The Daily Star Oneonta NY
    Times Newsweekly Ridgewood NY
    Democrat and Chronicle Rochester NY
    Daily Sentinel Rome NY
    Staten Island Advance Staten Island NY
    The Bryan Times Bryan OH
    The Evening Review East Liverpool OH
    Gallipolis Daily Tribune Gallipolis OH
    Daily Advocate Greenville OH
    Lancaster Eagle-Gazette Lancaster OH
    The Times-Leader Martins Ferry OH
    Salem News Salem OH
    Sandusky Register Sandusky OH
    The Herald Star Steubenville OH
    The Advertiser Tribune Tiffin OH
    Tribune Chronicle Warren OH
    The Times Recorder Zanesville OH
    News Press Stillwater OK
    Ottawa Sun Ottawa ON
    Albany Democrat Albany OR
    Altoona Mirror Altoona PA
    The Progress Clearfield PA
    The Express-Times Easton PA
    The Record-Argus Greenville PA
    Standard-Speaker Hazelton PA
    Lancaster New Era Lancaster PA
    The Lewiston Sentinel Lewiston PA
    Reading Eagle Company Reading PA
    The Ridgway Record Ridgway PA
    Warren Times-Observer Warren PA
    Williamsport Sun – Gazette Williamsport PA
    York Daily Record York PA
    The Woonsocket Call Woonsocket RI
    Aiken Standard Aiken SC
    The Index-Journal Greenwood SC
    Journal Tribune Seneca SC
    The Daily Republic Mitchell SD
    The Rapid City Journal Rapid City SD
    Kingsport Times-News Kingsport TN
    Knoxville Journal Knoxville TN
    The Democrat Union Lawrenceburg TN
    Citizen Tribune Morristown TN
    Daily News Journal Murfreesboro TN
    Shelbyville Times-Gazette Shelbyville TN
    The Amarillo Globe-Times Amarillo TX
    The Facts Clute TX
    The Courier Conroe TX
    Corpus Christi Caller-Times Corpus Christi TX
    Ft. Worth Business Press Ft. Worth TX
    West University Examiner Houston TX
    Kerrville Daily Times Kerrville TX
    Marshall News Messenger Marshall TX
    Midland Reporter-Telegram Midland TX
    Plainview Daily Herald Plainview TX
    Port Arthur News Port Arthur TX
    The Post-Dispatch Post TX
    Sulphur Springs News-Telegram Sulphur Springs TX
    Daily Spectrum St. George UT
    Salem Communications Arlington VA
    Frontier Publications Vashon WA
    Walla Walla Union Bulletin Walla Walla WA
    Waukesha County Freeman Beaver Dam WI
    The Janesville Gazette Janesville WI
    The Lakeland Times Minocqua WI
    The Inter-Mountain Elkins WV
    Times West Virginian Fairmont WV
    Herald Dispatch Huntington WV
    Evening Journal Martinsburg WV
    The Parkersburg Sentinel Parkersburg WV
    Observer Wheeling WV
    The Intellengencer Wheeling WV
    The Messenger Wheeling WV
    Jackson Hole Daily Jackson Hole WY
    Laramie Daily Boomerang Laramie WY

    How many legitimate journals carry your articles Dave? Not even the SLO trib will print your stuff!

    Really Dave, do you want me to go on?
    His accomplishments are incredible. His impact on the American culture unequalled. Only Rush is carried by more stations: 400 vs 600! Cpmpare that to your 1…

    You want to take on an international news mogul with home town radio?

    If it’s a matter of who should get out more…I think that question has been answered embarrassingly with YOU!

    He is the most misquoted news anchor, author and columnist. He is the most hated by you and your radical left MoveOn’ers. He sits at the top of any list you could possibly imagine.

    So where do we take this next. I have thousands of pages of facts just waiting for the next challenge.

    The next move is yours.

  7. Dave Congalton
    October 7, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Grip,

    Your logic escapes me, truly. There is no need to put me down in order to make your point aobout O’Reilly. Your argument seems to be that he has done so much and I’ve done so little–who am I to criticize him? I’d hate to think that there is anyone who sits on a throne above the rest of us peons, immune from criticism.

    But your problem, Grip, is that you keep dancing around the issue. I’ve made it clear that I don’t consider BOR a racist (isn’t it ironic about his initials?). But I find it unbelievable that anyone, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE OF HIS STATURE AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS could make such silly comments. He’s not getting much exposure to people of other races, clearly.

    So, please, either address that specific issue, or move on. You’re just taking up space, my friend.

  8. i have a grip
    October 7, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    Dave Congalton said…
    “Grip, Your logic escapes me, truly”

    Dave, I know it escapes you! You and all your Hate Bush MoveOn’er types! As Michael savage says, “Liberals think with diseased brains” This proves his point.

    Oreilly said what he said “in context”. You and media matters type loons have taken it out of context! (see Rich’s posts)

    Racism does and will always exist in America and all over the world. Just read any on-line news source! So racism is NOT the point…The point is, as long as you continue to take small snippets of 3-4 hours a day of conversation out of context what have you gained? Nothing, except to try and take the eye off the outrageous MoveOn ad against an American hero.

    You don’t think what Oreilly said was accurate? How often do you go downtown Guadalupe at night and eat in one of the local restaurants that is only frequented by the Hispanic population?

    Fact is, you don’t. That was Oreilly’s point…”you should”, but because we are all racists we stick to our own “kind” because that is where we feel safe, and that is where we are comfortable. If you miss that point then is really no hope for you or anyone that thinks that way.

    Oreilly’s point is understood by those that look at it “in context”! That it is OK to go outside your comfort zone and your race based comfort zone to eat and mingle with other races.

    This in fact may be very difficult to understand coming from SLO County. A predominantly white upper middle class, and a rich white college student based community. I will give you that.

    But you cannot sit in your all white, conservative upper middle class community and condemn a man that had dinner with a black race leader in a Harlem restaurant, and then said more whites should do the same!

    The left should really relax your attacks on very successful conservative talk radio and cable news moguls to keep the eyes off what is going on in the Democratic Party.

    When you do you only give credence to Ann Coulter’s new book “If democrats had any brains they’d be republicans”

    If you want to “MoveOn” then let’s do that! How bout we talk about all 3 top runners in your party will not commit to ending the war in their first term! Or nambla nancy and dingy harry leading their houses to the lowest rating in the history of the congress, or how the death tolls are way down in Iraq of both military and civilians, or that the stock market hit a new all time high last week…
    Shall I go on? No, I don’t want to waste any more space on such trivial things as mentioned above.

  9. Anonymous
    October 7, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    The best thing the college could do now is to CANCEL and restart the presidential search process – or I think they may be opening themselves up to a lawsuit of some kind. Not sure of that. AND they must remove Mat Mathieson from the process – and probably anyone who defended him. How terribly sad that the place has gone this far off track in such a short time. And guess what, they still haven’t hired an interim Vice President for Instruction – that whole area is leaderless.

  10. Dave Congalton
    October 7, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Actually, I go to Guadelupe all the time — even at night. It’s one of my favorite places on the Central Coast. And there have been a couple times when we’re the only gringos in the place and it’s never been an issue. Nobody cares.

    So thanks for proving my point, Grip. I now have one up on BOR because I’ll go where he hasn’t.

    Speaking of going, I must be going. But thanks for the posting.

  11. privatize education
    October 8, 2007 at 1:05 am

    Cuesta is only one example of many on how screwed up a tax supported agency can be.

    Privatize education and watch the delivery and quality improve!

    It’s been done and those feeding off the public tax trough hate it.
    We have lost our nation’s colleges and universities to the radical left because of tenure. Let’s make the switch and give private industry a chance. As it stands right now our nation’s best universities are private anyway! Let’s learn from them.

    As for the board member, let it go for heaven’s sake! You libs are way too stressed out. Take a chill pill. Things will be OK without your jaw-flapping.

  12. kevin in paso robles
    October 8, 2007 at 4:33 am

    It would be nice to hear the personable SM Bill on this topic.

  13. fool me once
    October 8, 2007 at 8:03 pm

    Well well well…Who’d a thunk it?

    I did go to “lani silver’s” web page, and there…low & behold was her “links” page.
    Of course I clicked it and to my surprise what did I find?

    Well here is her link list!

    MoveOn.org

    Not in Our Name Campaign

    Stop the War Coalition

    True Majority

    Military Families Speak Out

    AlterNet

    Nonviolence.org

    Cities for Peace

    What do they say? The verbal historians? “A wolf in sheep’s clothing”.

    In the end just another MoveOn’er pinko peacenik radical leftist secular progressive.

    Except this one lives off grants from tax money, rather than actually working for a tax supported agency! Clever!

    Anybody surprised? Not me.

  14. Anonymous
    October 8, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    Dave,

    I would like to know how your comment “Actually, I go to Guadelupe all the time — even at night. ” is any different than Mr. O’Reilly’s. Aren’t you ALSO “…..saying such stupid statements? He obviously doesn’t mix much with people from different races.”

  15. Marilyn
    October 8, 2007 at 10:09 pm

    “Racism does and will always exist in America and all over the world. Just read any on-line news source! So racism is NOT the point…The point is, as long as you continue to take small snippets of 3-4 hours a day of conversation out of context what have you gained? Nothing, except to try and take the eye off the outrageous MoveOn ad against an American hero.”

    With regard to the above statement made by one of the posters on this blog:

    Racism is the point precisely because it continues to take place in an age when people should know better and where communication among people within our own country and across the globe is becoming more prevalent.

    The fact that racism is common does not excuse it. The fact that people die in violent ways across the world does not imply that we should not do anything to minimize such tragedies.

    I know many people hold O’Reilly and Limbaugh in such high esteem. In that case, should they not know better than to even utter such statements on their shows? Those two people have a wide audience in the United States. As a result, they are to be held to an extremely high standard of verbal and actual conduct. Similarly, heads of state, politicians, and academics who utter racist remarks are to be called on it.

    Racism is one aspect of prejudice and it can be conscious or subconscious. One does not have to outwardly espouse racist ideologies to be considered racist. Preconceived ideas about particular groups, especially when such preconceived ideas are used to the detriment of that group, do constitute racism. O’Reilly as a supposedly world savvy pearl of wisdom should have known better than to make the point of his statement that blacks are no different than whites and are as nice as everyone else. THAT is a racist statement which had no need to even be uttered. Some callers excused his behavior because “that was not part of his world view.” I ask then, what business does O’Reilly have discussing matters of race and international and non-Christian issues if such issues and the people he is talking about are not part of his world view?

    Why would anyone want to listen to someone whose reasoning is not based on true understanding of the people and issues he is either supporting or criticizing?

    There is a lot of subconscious racism in this part of the United
    States. It is evident in the ways that many homeowners in good old SLO do not rent to black students despite the legal prohibition against discrimination. It is evident in the way blacks are also followed around in stores and I have heard that from a number of people. Half of all the car stops by police I have personally witnessed in SLO were of black people, some of whom were driving $40,000 cars (the rich are not exempt from racial profiling in our section of paradise). Or could it be the assumption that a young black man with his girlfriend sitting by his side must have stolen such an expensive car?

    It is imperative that whenever a racist remark or racist behavior takes place that we call people on it. People do have the right to say whatever they want. However, those who do not like racist talk and behavior also have the right to call those who do on it. It is their right too.

    Minimizing the effects of racism starts with each one of us and what we teach our children. I have heard so many racist jokes in private, it is really mind-boggling. I think we do our children a disservice by engaging in such behavior in front of them.

    Finally, a note on reverse discrimination and racism: those do definitely exist. However, one should not confuse “women only” groups or groups that are formed in support of entities that have traditionally been oppressed with prejudiced groups. Black men’s groups, women’s group’s, gay rights groups, minority groups, etc., came about as a response to pre-existing racism and prejudice against such groups. The fact that they exist and that they operate as such a group does not mean they are practicing reverse racism. All it means is that they got together as a group with common interest to correct an injustice.

    It is when a group tries to infringe on the rights of other groups or people that they should be dealt with by society. Special interest groups, religious groups, and ideological groups, formed specifically to promote an ideology versus to correct an injustice do engage more than the former groups in prejudicial practices.

    Racism and prejudice are very destructive and unjust aspects of our lives. If we want to live in peace in a diverse society and world, it is imperative that we recognize the areas we need to change to include all citizens and all people in the ability to have access to what is important to all human beings.

  16. Anonymous
    October 9, 2007 at 1:59 am

    First of all, I want to say that I always get a kick out of your shows and that you do a wonderful job of keeping it relevant to the Central Coast (your audience) and don’t believe you need to get out more (like Grip said). However, I am concerned that maybe we, as a society, are getting too thin-skinned about every little thing said and that we are deliberately looking for things to blow out of proportion, such as the issue of racism. While I agree that people in the public spotlight, whether local, national or international, need to be more aware of what they say, there is something wrong when people just seem to be looking for anything to pick at, like some kind of scab that will allow them to re-open the wound and get infected and cause greater harm than the original injury. Racism exists still today, but it is not nearly as pervasive or as violent as it was even 20 years ago. Even reverse-racism (which is still racism) isn’t nearly as bad as it used to be. The greater issue seems to be political party-ism because now people are very hesitant to say whether they tend to view life from a liberal or conservative view without being told that they are some “bleeding heart liberal” or some “heartless elitist conservative”. Is there a solution to all these -isms? Maybe, maybe not, but the least we can do as human beings is to be open and receptive to diversity.

  17. BillyD
    October 9, 2007 at 2:21 am

    well dave have you been to a harlem rest, I think Oreilly has a little more eduction than you and is more worldly than you. what did he do to you you cant call him a lair or prove him wrong in his shows he’s only human as for racism I think were all a little racism white black brown whatever
    at lest inside your mind.
    atually, I go to Guadelupe all the time — even at night. It’s one of my favorite places on the Central Coast. And there have been a couple times when we’re the only gringos in the place
    that alone sounds rasist

  18. Dave Congalton
    October 9, 2007 at 4:05 am

    I have to confess that reading some of these posts makes me truly wonder if public education has failed.

    To the posts towards the bottom suggesting I’m as racist as BOR because I said I go to Guadalupe all the time even at night, I would refer you to Post #8 on this thread where Grip challenges me by saying “You never go to Guadalupe in the evening.”

    I was merely responding to the fallacy.

  19. Dave Congalton
    October 9, 2007 at 4:09 am

    Fool Me Once

    You get the prize for the advancing one of the weakest and most silly arguments I’ve ever heard. Lani Silver is to be condemned why? Because her web site links to MoveOn. org and Cities for peace, among others? We’re going to toss out 35 years of work she’s done to end racism because you don’t like the fact that she’s a liberal?

    Excuse me. The liberals have advanced civil rights over the years, largely at the expense of conservative profits. Whether for women, gays, blacks, Jews, or other minorities, it is the Liberals like Lani Silver who have stood up for equal justice and equal rights.

    You haven’t earned the right to criticize her behind your anonymous postings. Another white conservative male taking cheap shots at a woman who dares to speak up.

    How brave!

  20. we are getting smarter
    October 9, 2007 at 4:28 am

    Dave said:
    “You haven’t earned the right to criticize her behind your anonymous postings. Another white conservative male taking cheap shots at a woman who dares to speak up.

    I don’t get it Dave!

    SM Bill is white…male…and hides behind an anonymous nic name, yet he is your show all the time.

    Is it wrong to be white, male and anonymous only of that person disagrees with you?

    Time for SM Bill, like all your guests, to use their real names or shut up, as you would say, because they haven’t earned the right to speak out.

    Seems the radical wants it their way and only their way. This is what America is starting to see through…and it all starts with MoveOn.org and all you sorosites!

    I await your next justification…

  21. phony guadelupe
    October 9, 2007 at 4:33 am

    Dave you are a true daredevil.

  22. Dave Congalton
    October 9, 2007 at 4:39 am

    Getting Smarter,

    Well, judging from your argument, I’m not so sure.

    First, SM Bill is not anonymous to me. I know who he is, where he works and his professional background, so I can assess his crediblity.

    Second, SM Bill is a liberal. He’s not bashing women for speaking up like these others posts have been; he’s not attacking Lani. He defends her.

    Third, You ignore the gist of my argument about liberals being the ones who have advanced civil rights and fought racism. What have conservatives done?

  23. Major Major
    October 9, 2007 at 5:43 am

    If you study the same history I studied, you would know that a major discriminated sect was the Irish-American. The slave was sometimes treated better, which is not encouraging. The Irish-American was Catholic, a major sin until President Kennedy quelled some of the fear. Polish-Americans did not fared better. Let us not even mentioned the Jewish treatment. There was discrimination based wholly on religion. Sometimes the slave was treated better than a Catholic because the Catholic was a ‘paid’ employee and could leave, but it was not easy for a Catholic or Jew to find employment. An owner did not want to buy and retrain slaves so sometimes a slave was tended better, although it is considered inhumane today.

    I had a biology teacher in seventh grade who began a class by asking.
    How many of you are of the Caucasian race? a large percentage raised their hands.
    How many of you are of the Negro (this was 1963) race? a decent number raised their hands.
    How many of you are of the Oriental race? a few hands went up.
    How many of you are of the Indian race? two hands raised.
    I cannot remember if he asked for any more races, but he made his point when he stated: ‘You are all wrong. There is no such thing as race. Species is the lowest category in the animal kingdom, which is Homo Sapien. Race is a made-up group to appease the fear of something being better than you.’ He then mentioned there were no ‘Black’ rabbits, ‘White’ rabbits, ‘Polka Dot’ rabbits. There were Rabbits.

    Who all is white anyway? Ask some of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings’ descendants. I know few white purebreds. Americans tend to be mixed breeds. I have no idea what I am. My father’s side began American life as indentured servants. Many indentured servants were treated badly during their indenture. And some ‘Afro-Americans’ are more American than I looking at both sides of their family tree.

    I am not saying discrimination is non-existent. It is. It must end I have never mistreated anyone intentionally. If I unintentionally mistreat anyone, I do it equally. So I agree with one of your callers saying he resents being ostracised as a ‘majority’. I do not believe in ‘hate’ crimes. Any crime has some form of hate whether it derives from actual hate or jealousy. Anyone abusing anyone of different beliefs never should be charged on a ‘hate’ crime. That ‘criminal’ should be charged directly for the abuse committed.

    I agree with everyone’s right to be heard. I too am appalled when someone is cut from expressing his full opinion especially those who do not communicate well. I like the way you defend everyone’s right to speak. I have noticed that even Rush Limbaugh is allowing more people to express themselves as he mellows. He does not change his mind.

    You do not change your mind. I do not change my mind. Ain’t America grand? Now if Sean Hannity who was more mellow than Rush Limbaugh until his fame went to his head would mellow. We might ‘come together’ and resolve problems as well as the other animals do. Have you ever seen a pet love another for its beauty? its intelligence? its colour? its integrity? its behaviour? Have you ever seen an untrained animal kill for the love of it?

  24. Downtown Bob
    October 9, 2007 at 6:28 am

    It is amazing to me how the right demonizes any attempt at change. The power elite is threatened by any attempt at changing the status quo. The comment by “it’s about time somebody said this said” was echoed on Dave’s show today by JerryD; coincidence? Equally amusing is how the right has such contempt for any government function if it isn’t concerning law enforcement or military in nature (“privatize education”). Marilyn is correct in her observation about racism IMO; at least she has some experience being a woman of middle eastern descent. As a white male in my fifties, I have no real experience of racism (other than remarks I have made, then learned from), as I am pretty sure most of the white male conservatives have not as well. The problem with the attitude the white male conservatives have is that if we all thought that way (what? what problem? everything is fine, or at least it is better than it was) is that that attitude does not encourage any change in attitude or “growth”. When you observe someone making a racist remark, even in private (actually, especially when in private) do you challenge them for making that statement? If you do not, you are giving tacit approval for that behavior to continue. When Lani Silver was on Dave’s Thursday show, she mentioned how when she hears students making insensitive racial remarks, she stops them and educates them on what it is they are doing. A caller commented afterward that they “were just being kids”; unchallenged, they will repeat that behavior without thinking about it. Challenged, they might think about it before saying or doing something like that the next time. The more someone is challenged about their attitude, the more uncomfortable they can become, until they challenge themselves, and then maybe they can grow as humans, and think about how what you say does matter, as does how you say it. So, if you are offended by those who classify themselves as “African-Americans”, “Mexican-Americans”, “Italian-Americans” or any-other hyphen Americans, please remember before you say something in your state of upset, that they are “Americans”.

  25. Jerry Dagna in AZ
    October 10, 2007 at 3:28 am

    SM Bill is a coward! Hiding behind his comic nickname. It’s an outrage!

    I was not only offended by his abusive treatment of me on the air last night, he added nothing but abusive rhetoric to an otherwise decent discussion.

    All of you other guests give their real names. What are you or Bill hiding Dave?

    Enough is enough. This guy is abusive, rude and condescending.
    How can you tolerate that on the air? It is 100% inconsistent with your past authenticity and honesty with regards to your show.

    Why hide this guy out? I must tell you it makes me very curious. Usually your motives, although as far left as they can get, are at least honest. SM Bill is way out of character for you. He ads nothing while hiding behind a fake identity, and he shines a very bad light on you and your show.

    I’m just watching out for you Dave

  26. Dave Congalton
    October 10, 2007 at 4:17 am

    Jerry,

    We have been through this before, my friend. I let people post Anonymously on this blog. I let guests and callers create identities on the radio. We have SM Bill and AG Andy, both of whom ask their real names to be protected so they don’t get in trouble at work like Conservative Bob did. The liberals tracked Bob down at work and complained to his boss. Bob now works in Santa Maria and can’t be on the radio with me any more because he doesn’t get off work until 6.

    SM Bill is to the Left what you are to the Right. I just would not want to be in the same room if both of you are there!!!!!!!!!!

  27. Rich from Paso
    October 10, 2007 at 5:23 am

    I personnally have no problem with SM Bill’s anonymity for obvious personal reasons like all of the aforementioned individuals. My only concern is as others have stated that SM Bill is given free reign to make whatever allegations he wants against whoever he wants and he is never called to task by you to provide any support or proof for his statements. I, during the four appearances on your show, were pressed to show proof numerous times. I came prepared for such questions or I knew the location to give to the listener to find the information. SM Bill has said many scurrilous things about George Bush and others in the current administrations with only his twisted logic, bias and inferences as his only visible means of “support”. I have a ton more respect for Michele Dostert because she has done legitimate research on the topics she speaks about, whereas SM Bill has done, or appears to have done, nothing of the sort. The very reason why I contacted you in the first place lo those many moons ago was because of the unfounded diatribes that SM Bill was spewing, namely that “nothing good came from overthrowing Sadddam Hussein from power.” I counted that statement with my eyewitness accounts of what I saw and the stories told to me by Iraqis; SM Bill said I was beating up on a straw man and offered nothing more than that. Dave, if you want or are even concerned with the credibility of SM Bill’s arguments, make him do the same homework and provide citation for the allegations he makes. If SM Bill is as brilliant as you claim, then it should be too easy for him to back up his wild claims with at least a small iota of evidence.

  28. Anonymous
    October 10, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    I STILL think SM Bill sounds a heck of a LOT like King Harris. Maybe that is why the secretiveness…and the carte blanche with Dave. If so…guess this letter won’t get on the blog!

  29. Dave Congalton
    October 10, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    Yep, you’ve got it all figured out, Anonymous. I can’t hide it any longer. SM Bill is really King Harris. You’ve got me. i can’t hide it any longer.

    I might suggest that you go see Dr. Karen Scott and have your hearing checked. Those two guys don’t sound ANYTHinG alike.

    But thanks for the laugh.

  30. Anonymous
    October 10, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    Dave…gee were you taken out of context and accused of being a racist??

    “I was merely responding to the fallacy”

  31. jerry dagna in az
    October 11, 2007 at 3:23 am

    No matter what the topic these days there always seems to be a divisiveness that is uncontrollable.
    Extreme views surface fast and many line up on either side. Respectful dialogue is a thing of the past. So be it.
    We have 13 months of this, so settle in for a long fight.
    As for comparing me to SM Bill, I remember the good ole days of local talk radio, where civility ruled. Randy Renoso and I face to face and never was a brow raised as we discussed a very sensitive topic. (God rest his soul)
    SM Bill use facts to brow beat the callers. I used facts to stimulate conversation. And I always treated callers with profound respect.
    There is a huge difference between SM Bill and me. The times may have changed, but I know a bad apple when I see one.
    I could go on but it would be fruitless.
    I may have gotten attacked for my views, but Dave you must admit I always came loaded for bear with facts…checked facts, and “we” presented them for the purpose of stimulating a dialogue.
    I may have even lost customers because of it…do you remember the caller “Ken” on my good bye show that said every time I went on the radio he got more of my customers?
    I never hid my name, or my point of view, I presented facts and respected callers…your callers Dave! Out of respect for you.
    You don’t need to take sides. It is what it is…
    But I stand tall in everything said and presented and for what it all accomplished, no matter how small, for the good of talk radio!
    I rest my case.

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