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A long time listener sent me this email yesterday. I thought I’d share it with you for your consideration.

“As I read your blog I am frequently reminded of George W. Bush’s mantra when he ran for President in 2000. “I am a uniter not a divider.”

I write this as a former Republican who joined that party in the early 60’s and voted for Barry Goldwater. At that time the Republicans believed in small government, small business, and keeping their noses out of the personal issues of individuals. As a small businessman I believed in what they stood for.

Today they have become the party that is mostly concerned with what goes on in bedrooms across this county, who is doing what to whom, and a mindless debate on when life actually begins.

There was a time when I took pride in the fact that the Democrats held the patent on lying, manipulating, and cheating in Sacramento and Washington, and the Republicans were far and away the good guys. I remember the Brown’s (Willie and Jerry) What in the hell happened to my party of yore?

Dave, the vitriolic attacks on your blog are inexcusable. We, at one time were the party of gentlemen. I’m saddened.

As I’ve read the comments on the Draft issue, some seem not to realize that the germination of that item came from a Bush appointee. It is clear that some contributors, notably the gentleman from Paso have served in the Armed Forces. I salute you sir. There are many of us who have done the same although the location and years of service were a long ago. A nasty and cold place known as Korea took many of our brave young men and in the end solved nothing.

Incidentally, there’s never been a report of “them following us home” and that’s been 50 years. And while Viet Nam was not my theater of war, there’s also never been a report of “them following us home” from there either.

This country ran a hell of a lot better when it was governed form the center, Both Republicans and Democrats were there and they both cared more about the country than they did about upstaging the other party.

The vileness and vitriolic diatribes that infest this blog are a sad commentary on life in the US.

I did not vote for him, but he is my president.

I don’t think he actually won the election, but he is my president, and if I say something about him or say that I don’t like something he’s done, that doesn’t mean I’m a Bush hater. I think he is dishonest and he is certainly the worst President in my lifetime (1936- and still going strong) Doesn’t mean I hate him, it means I’m terribly disappointed in him and what he has done to this country.

Recently I switched parties because I could no longer stand what my party has become. While I had been a Republican for more than 40 years I’ve never seen a Republican President as inept as GWB. I’m tired of waiting for the more moderate centrists to rise up. If they do, maybe I’ll give some thought to rejoining the party.

So those of you who think you are Republicans, take a look at what the party was a handful of decades ago. It was a party that I was proud to be a part of.

Sadly that is no more.”

  1. Thomas W
    August 18, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    Hoo, Boy!!! This guy makes sense. While I’m not a Demo nor a Republican (which I once was also, I left when they ran Richard Nixon)this man really makes a case for reason. That is often what is lacking in the response to your blog. Some of your writers are belligerent to the point of being dangerous and do have a tendency to frighten. Inciting death and destruction to anyone of Muslim extraction cannot be called reasonable, to cite just one instance.
    You do have bloggers on your post that write very well and I do appreciate them. I’m thinking of, on the right, Rich from Paso, and on the left, Bob from San Luis, but some of the others are scary.
    Thanks for posting his letter.

  2. Anonymous
    August 19, 2007 at 12:20 am

    A question for the author. If you switched parties, which party did you switch to? Or are you “decline-to-state” like many of us are in California?

    I ask, because I hope you didn’t switch to Democrat, because, well all that you said bad about them in the past applies today. I agree with your assessment of today’s Repbulican party, I left as well.

    Dave, good segment on Friday. Volume 2 may be in order.

  3. we ain't buyin it dave
    August 19, 2007 at 3:49 am

    Nice try Dave! That was a “plant” email! You can’t fool us! Every time you lefties are getting your butts kicked in a debate you caome back with another hate Bush topic.

    Have you no shame?

    This person was NEVER a republican! We can tell she wrote it to try and deflect the attention of her real party…the sorros libs as they get are getting their hinneys booted for the do nothing congress, Hussein obama’s obvious lack of any experiance, and billary’s insanity.

    Like I said…she was never a republican. We are know your friends lean farrrrrr left. This one sent you a ripe well scripted plum to try and help you out.

    Bush hating?? Aren’t you tired of that yet?
    How bout a plan for Iraq? How bout your get your lazy do nothing congress off their asses and do something?

    It’s very embarassing for the lefty libs right now and will be until we swear in Romney. hahaha!
    we’re getting to them!

    To say you were once republican and aren’t now is to say you were never a real republican.

  4. Dave Congalton
    August 19, 2007 at 4:23 am

    I know the person who sent me this email. HE is speaking from the heart. It is not a plant, it is not manipulated in any way. The author is merely someone fed up with reading mindless crap like the prior posting.

  5. Downtown Bob
    August 19, 2007 at 4:25 am

    ain’t buying it: Wow, you really made the point of the letter Dave posted. Thank you.

  6. Rich from Paso
    August 19, 2007 at 4:47 am

    Whether or not this e-amil is a plant, I will address it on its own merits.

    I agree with Tom…er, I mean the anonymous(e) writer of this e-mail. The Republican Party is not the party of Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America. A scant 14 years ago, the Republican Party under Newt’s leadership positioned itself as the party of ideas and of vision. It was those ideas and the vision of the Contract with America that catapulted the party of outsiders to power and ousted the party of the establishment, the Democrat Party that was in power in the House for 42 years. Newt and the boys forced a showdown with Clinton over the size of government (Newt was right; Clinton was wrong) and forced Clinton to accept welfare reforms for the first time in the existence of the Great Society. Around 2000, the Republican Party started to lose their way. Lord Acton’s axiomatic “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absoltely” is a true today as it was over a hundred years ago. I see the start of the Republican slide due to the K Street initiative of Tom DeLay. DeLay was wanting to harness the lobbying power that the Democrats had had for those 42 years. That is where corruption begins, by telling the mobster that you are the new sheriff in town instead of telling the mobster to get out of town. Lobbyists exist to bend you to their clients will, not the will of the people. So the lobbyists began to bend the Republican’s to the will of the lobbyists’ clients will. They did this with gifts and money and promises of power after government service. That is when guys like Duke Cunningham and Bob Ney and others were exposed to be just as corrupt as guys like Rostenkowski.

    There is the porblem with both Democrats and Republicans: both are just as corrupted by money as the other. For one party to say that they are less corrupt than the other is laughable. When John McCain says that the money in politics has corrupted our elected leaders, he’s talking about himself, too. What did he do? He limited our ability to give to the party of our chose and limited the amount of advertising 30 days before an election. That is not reform, that is censorship. What we need to do is pass a constitutional amendment to ban all lobbying of our Congressional and presidential candidates and elected representatives. All elections should be paid for by the American people with the tax money of the American people.

    As for my political allegence, I still count myself amoung the Republicans. There are still more Republicans with vision and new ideas than the Democrats. I also think that the field of Republican candidates demonstrate a greater vision and ability to lead than any of the Democrats. Guiliani, Huckabee and Romney have both ran governments and have reformed systems. Thompson speaks to the very points that the writer speaks about; he just needs to annouce whether or not he is running so we can learn what his specific plans are. Brownback, Tancredo, and Paul are all single issue candidates. McCain is just unpaletable because of his hypocracy on campaign finance. As for the Democratic field: Hillary wants to be president for her own crave for power; she is an incompetent leader that only says what she thinks you want to hear and hopes you are dumb enough not to remember what she said the last time you asked. Obama is dangerously naive and inexperienced. I would love to be able to support Obama, but his pronoucements on foriegn affairs makes him an unacceptable choice in my book. Dodd and Biden and Edwards are just more of the same establishment Democrats that have created this system through legislation; they made this mess with their laws. Richardson is the most disappointing. The only Democrat that has led anything, has shown an inability to step up his game at the national level. What the democrats do have for ideas right now all have a dollar sign pinned to perpetuating a system that everyone agrees is broken.

    We just can’t keep throwing gasoline on a fire hoping it will go out. We have to do something new and different. That is why I support the FairTax over the current code. That is why I support banning lobbying and fenderally financed elections.

    I am one of the few Republicans that don’t care what happens in the bedrooms of consenting adults so long as both are in fact adults and no one is hurt in the process. I really don’t care if you are gay or not. I just wish gay people would stop trying to make me care if they are gay or not. I do fervently believe that a fetus is a genetically different being that, left unmolested, will mature into a baby able to leave the womb and enter the world. While I would not personally ask my wife to get an abortion, I don’t look down on women that do. I do look down on women that demand abortion access as a means of exerting power, as many pro-abortion groups have done. If you are so desparate for power that you will kill a fetus in your womb to get it, you don’t deserve the power you crave. I think that a national referendum on Roe v. Wade with the options of keep it or throw it to the states to decide if they want abortion is a rational way to end the debate. However, the polarity that exists over left versus right in this country would tear this country apart and there would literally be blood flowing in the streets as both side (only about 1% of the population that cares that much) fought with bats and clubs over whether or not it is okay to kill a fetus. The world we live in is that irrational.

    Back to the writer… As I said earlier, the Republican Party of late has disappointed me too. But I see no reason to call myself “independant”, as if there might be a Democrat worth supporting. The Democratic Party is totally bankrupt morally and intellectually. They exist now as the party that hates Bush and all things conservative (yes, there is a HUGE difference). They are the party of dependancy, of weakness, of socialism, of power and control and of censorship. The Democratic Party’s policies would ruin this country if they were unopposed to implement them. That is why I remain a Republican.

  7. Anonymous
    August 19, 2007 at 5:00 am

    either way it’s nice to see we are getting to the libs.
    They are so full of hate and ager they will soon bust.

    For the record…It’s a plant!

  8. The New Tone of San Luis Obispo
    August 19, 2007 at 5:08 am

    Hmm, lets see. You voted for Algore in 2000, John Kerry in 2004. What conservative values did they represent to him that George W did not? And what possible reason could you belief could you have that tells you the W did not win the election in 2000? Every major newspaper in the country did a “recount” and none came up with a victory in Florida. The GOP did not pursue the vote fraud in Illinois or Missouri, by the democrats.

    I do not agree with much of what W has done. I believe he has not done a good job in keeping gov’t small. He has not unleashed the military in Iraq or Afganistan.

    He has cut taxes for regular people like downtown Bob, Marilyn, and others with small business that hire people and create wealth. He has been steadfast in his desire to fight terrorism in the world even if I don’t agree with everything.

    The people that cause hate and hate others tend to be on the left liberal fringe. What the dude who wrote the pamphlet about you have no rights a uniter? How silly, talking about all the people who are killed for ssaying this or that! Answer this question retard, how come you are alive, free, and able to tell us all about this stuff of utmost secrecy since people are being jailed for saying it in the first place!!! Duh…is he dead…in jail….um no. Bush must not know you are telling his big secrets otherwise you would be vanished.

    The left is just power mad and want to control everyone with their power.

  9. The left is morally bankrupt
    August 19, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Dave’s legacy…
    “let’s hate Bush as long as we can at any cost”
    Sad position for a person that calls himself a journalist.

    I have emails from friends that think this radical leftist sorros clan attempt to take over the democratic party is sick, dysfuntional and flat out socialistically dishonest.

    Shall I post all of them here?

    This is flipping laughable, rediculous and beneath a true journalist of any persuation.

    In a word: Desperate!

  10. Anonymous
    August 19, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    With all that is going on in the world, and a do nothing congress, and the turn around in Iraq, Carl Rove starting to write the G. W. Bush presidency book, Obama’s fatal errors, Hillary’s highest objection rating of any presidential campaign in history , global warming proved to be a hoax, Roe v Wade about to be over turned, the best topic you can up with is an email from a freind?

    Dave, if you need help with topics just ask us and we would be glad to help out…but an email from a friend?

    Are you that busy or just afraid to talk about the issues?

  11. Chuck from Atascadero
    August 19, 2007 at 5:58 pm

    What I find equally amusing and sad is that many of the comments on this thread reflect exactly what Dave’s listener is commenting on. They just don’t get the point (other than Rich).

    What has happened to us that we are unable or unwilling to engage in civil, respectful debate?

    Dave, I want to commend you for the excellent discussion you had with Chris(?) Friday about political affiliation. You two were cordial and respectful of one another and the callers were very content-oriented and engaged in the questions you posed. So refreshing to hear. I’d encourage you to do more of those segments and less of Santa Maria Billy.

    In terms of this blog, I’m not sure why you bother, but I guess it’s sort of like when Hannity has that call-in line where liberals can call in and blow off steam by leaving angry messages for him.

    You’re doing a similar service for us by allowing these simpletons to vent on your blog with their juvenile arguments and bashing. Maybe now they’ll be nicer to the rest of us in their daily lives.

    Thanks, Dave! You deserve a raise from Clear Channel.

  12. the 2 faces of chuck
    August 19, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    Chuck said:
    “What has happened to us that we are unable or unwilling to engage in civil, respectful debate?”

    He then said:
    “What has happened to us that we are unable or unwilling to engage in civil, respectful debate?”

    Then chuck said:
    “allowing these simpletons to vent on your blog with their juvenile arguments and bashing. Maybe now they’ll be nicer to the rest of us in their daily lives.

    simpletons? Jouvenile? bashing? “they’ll” be nicer

    There ya have it! The perfect radical lefty flip flopping in the same comment! Couldn’t be more perfect chuckie!

    Thanks for showing us your true faces!

    Gawd this is hillarious! The left trying to take the high ground! hahahahaha! Not possible!

  13. Chuck from Atascadero
    August 19, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    I don’t back down from my original comment. You and your ilk are simpletons, capable of only the most juvenile of arguments. That’s not a personal attack, just calling the kettle black.

    So instead of questioning the legitimacy of the author of the email to Dave, why don’t you try and provide some kind of reasonable argument as to why the author should remain a Republican?

  14. pollster
    August 19, 2007 at 8:51 pm

    President George W. Bush’s overall job approval rating is up again and now at 32%!
    a new Reuters/Zogby International poll shows.

    The survey also shows that the overall job approval rating for the work of Congress remains far below the President’s, at just 15%

    This latest Reuters/Zogby poll included interviews with 1,020 likely voters between August 9-11, 2007.

    Do you like apples?
    well, What about dem apples?

    OK dems. Respond!

  15. catering to chuck
    August 19, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    chuck said:
    “capable of only the most juvenile of arguments”

    Chuck, we design our comments based on the ability of the reader to understand them.

    I apologize for aiming to high.

    Next time I will dumb it way down for ya.

  16. somethings fishy
    August 19, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    chuck said:
    “why don’t you try and provide some kind of reasonable argument as to why the author should remain a Republican?”

    That’s easy chuck. Because the author was never a republican.

    Ideological shifts like that in mid life are tantamount to a personality disorder needing psychotropic drugs for proper treatment.

    I still say that the email reaks of dawn legg, and marilyn trying to diguise themselves as an older man. But the bedroom diatribe proves it was a woman that wrote it.

    “Today they have become the party that is mostly concerned with what goes on in bedrooms across this county, who is doing what to whom, and a mindless debate on when life actually begins.”

    Men just don’t think that way!

    That very statement has been used in reference to the democratic party in recent times as well!

    You are being HAD!

  17. Rudy McCain
    August 20, 2007 at 12:29 am

    These guys are proud of the fact that Bush has a 35% approval rating! Talk about aiming low!

  18. the ghost of christmas past
    August 20, 2007 at 1:16 am

    Rudy: Why do you libs harp on Bush’s low approval ratings and totally ignore the fact that the Democrat controlled Congress has approval ratings that are so low they are almost within the margin of error of being zero? Yes, Bush is unpopular, especially with Democrats, but to have a singular focus on Bush and only Bush means that your POV lacks perspective. My perspective is that with both Bush and Congress having incredibly low numbers it means that the public in general sees Bush and Congress as two groups fighting in a burning house: fools fighting each other, oblivious that both of them are doomed to failure.

  19. aiming high and scoring
    August 20, 2007 at 1:33 am

    35% approval
    1) 100% national safety
    2) Strongest economy in a decade
    Lowest unemployment
    3) Fixing liberalized education
    4) Banned Partial Birth Abortion
    5) Signed two income tax cuts
    6) restored HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency
    7) single-handedly held this country together during the 9-11 crisis
    8) Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse
    9) Supports permanent elimination of the death tax
    10) Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security
    11) Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals
    12) Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains
    13) Reduced the estate tax
    14) Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities
    15) Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA’s from $500 to $2,000 per child
    16) Granted a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition
    17) Signed the No Child Left Behind Act (teachers hate this!)
    18) Requires annual reading and math tests
    18) Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems
    19) Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty
    20) Killed Clinton’s CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California
    21) Made sure Saddam Hussein is dead
    22) Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD’s
    23) Has cut off much of the terrorists’ funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network
    24) Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty
    25) Pushed through THREE raises for our military
    26) Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia
    27) Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command
    28) Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities
    29) Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court
    30) The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant
    31) Told the Congress and the world, “America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country.”
    32) Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid
    33) Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of 34) eliminating federal jobs
    Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years
    35) Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts
    36) Signed Medicare Reform
    37) Prescription drug benefits
    38) New Health Savings Accounts
    39) Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits
    40) Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims
    41) Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court’s Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual’s wishes.
    42) Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit
    43) designed the Surge that is winning the war in Iraq

    and all that without spewing on one blue dress in the oval office…without being impeached, and without lying under oath.

    Who’s next! We are just getting warmed up!

  20. the ghost of christmas past
    August 20, 2007 at 2:18 am

    What I always find funny is how liberals claim to be for the little guy, yet liberal judges let child molesters out of jail with a slap on the wrist only to se the molester violate another innocent child again. Liberal lawmakers refuse to pass Megan’s Law. Liberal city councils create “sanctuary cities” where city police don’t have to help the understaffed ICE agents in rounding up illegal alien criminals like the ones that murdered those three black college students. In that case the illegals had been indicted on a sum total of 31 counts of rape and abuse of a 13-year old girl. Liberal lawmakers have made it illegal to even as the immigration status of people for fear they may violate their privacy. What the hell? Is their a reasonable expectation of privacy for criminals now in America? According to La Raza and the ACLU, that’s racial profiling. No, it is criminal profiling. They are already pulled over for a crime or they wouldn’t be pulled over. Stands to reason, right? So, why is a DUI given to a guy that speaks only Spanish racial profiling if the cop asks him if he is in America legally? He is already a criminal for the DUI and if he is stupid enough to be willing to drive drunk while an illegal alien, he is stupid enough to mow down innocent people while he is drunk. To me this is self-evident, but to liberals it is an issue filled with “nuance” and “shades of gray”. My problem with liberals is that your rhetoric never matches up with your performance. Like with all these liberal social welfare programs. Why is it that the poverty rate in America is exactly the same in 2006 as it was in 1966? Actually, there are more people in poverty today 40 years after the start of the Great Society than were in poverty before then, in terms of raw numbers of people in poverty. Yet, you even think about touching a program proven to be not working and liberals scream bloody murder and accuse conservatives of being cold hearted and mean spirited. It is liberals and their programs that are putting people in poverty and keeping them there, yet the conservatives are the bad guys for wanting to see about getting them out of poverty. That jsut makes no sense to me and the other conservatives around the country. Again, this is not a Republican versus Democrat issue, it is a liberal versus conservative issue.

  21. Anonymous
    August 20, 2007 at 2:49 am

    Ghost, great post but lost on all these sorrosites!
    It’s because they think with diseased brains…They are so full of revengeful hate they can no longer seperate their own BS from reality.
    But I liked it…my brian is fine!

  22. Rudy McCain
    August 20, 2007 at 10:58 am

    Aiming high —

    What did you do–pull that pointless laundry list off of Hannity.com? If Bush is so great, why is he stuck at 35%. His own party is deserting him. There isn’t a single Republican running for President who embraces Bush’s programs. They all run to Reagan, not Bush.

    Meanwhile, Clinton, despite the “stain on the blue dress” and impeachment and all the other nutjob attacks, was riding a 58% approval rating in 1998.

    I’d give you a counter laundry list, but why bother? But try this — why don’t you ask those mining families in Utah what they think of the Bush administration right now. This will be yet another stain on Bush because he cut back on mine safety.

    To “Ghost”

    You can frame this as liberal versus conservative, but that debate ignores most of Middle America, which is neither. You’re trying to make this one of extremes.

    The original post spoke of someone who had been a Republican who is one no longer. My guess is that he was a moderate Republican who felt disenfranchised.

    Extremists have taken over both parties and that’s sad.

  23. NewsstandGreg
    August 21, 2007 at 1:44 am

    Friends of Dave,

    People reveal themselves to others, no matter how they would like to pretend differently.

    The FreeRepublic.com cut-n-paste types use that laundry list as if it makes their point.

    But they don’t address the point: if George W. Bush is so wonderful, why are exactly NONE of the Republican candidates praising these accomplishments? Fighting to carry on the great tradition of George W?

    Nope. They would rather resuscitate an actor, Ronald Reagan. Or better yet, elect a living actor, and lobbyist, Fred Thompson.

    My dad was one of the first Texas Democrats to switch parties. Even he would be embarrassed by this generation of so-called Republicans.

    Especially the ones who think another high impact terrorist attack is what we need to bring the country together AGAIN.

    I’m hoping to hear how a much-improved foreign policy with economic incentives from any of the presidential contenders would sound.

    FEAR vs HOPE. That’s where we are in 2007.

  24. the ghost of christmas past
    August 21, 2007 at 3:09 am

    Fear vs. Hope? You are right. Democrats offer fear: fear of people losing their jobs, fear of not having health care, fear of the housing market and the economy going into the tank, fear of being in Iraq for however long, fear of not being liked in the world, fear of losing their civil rights, fear of Big Media creating a conservative echo chamber, etc. The hope Democrats are offering is the hope that they will actually live up to any one of the myrriad of promises Democrats make every election cycle and fail to live up to. Democrats force Americans to hope that they will touch the third rails of politics and actually change the programs that are still failing after 30 years of liberal machinations and ever increasing amounts of our tax dollars dumped in them. Americans have to hope that liberals won’t screw the shit of the working man with their ever higher taxes in the quixotic quest of ‘sticking it to the rich’. Americans have to hope that Democrats don’t fuck over America with their stated desire for a weak-kneed, pacifistic capitulation to the enemies of this nation. Yes, you are right: Democrats give Americans a lot to fear and hope for this election cycle.

  25. Marilyn
    August 21, 2007 at 4:41 am

    If it were not for the “Democrats,” the old people of this nation would have been destitute without Medicare, Medicaid, and social security. Most elderly people who live in nursing homes are subsidized by the Federal Government, with minimal taxes, I might add.

    Were it not for the “Left” and the labor unions the “working” stiff would still be grinding for 14 hours a day, 6-7 days a week for less than minimum wage and without the ability to access affordable health care. More miners would still be dying young from lung cancer and preventable accidents due to unsafe working conditions. More kids would still be playing in areas laden with asbestos and toxic substances.

    But, wait! Those “good for nothing pacifists” and “liberals” are going to destroy this country with their inaction.

    Must be that the only good action is a bigoted and violent action.

    Let’s blame the billion Muslims again and kill more of them. They are the cause of all the evil in the world. Meanwhile, good old patriotic Blackwater is in the war business because they believe in God, country, and the working stiff. They believe in the above so much they are willing to kill for them. More “Muslim” deaths, more soldier and contractor deaths, and more millions=more patriotism. Who cares about 50 million people who have no access to health insurance?

    Heck, tens of thousands of people die every year in accidental car wrecks, what’s all this fuss about 4,000 government issue bodies deliberately murdered in the Middle East? Let’s kill some more so we bring the number to maybe 20,000 and then we will earn the right to talk about unacceptable casualties.

    Talk about “feeding off the public trough!” A full-time government prison guard or RN makes an average of 40,000 to 85,000 dollars a year depending on years of service and position. Compare that to a “security company” contractor who makes $160,000 – 200,000 a year, with the first $100,000 tax free. Guess who pays their salaries? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

    For those who are not aware, there are new proposals to slash medical benefits to teachers, cops, nurses, and firefighters in 2008 in California (the same firefighters who were killed on 9-11-2001 and last week in the same area in NYC). There are also plans to slash retirement and injury compensation. These same employees are working under horrible and dangerous conditions on many occasions and, guess what! They have to pay quite a bit for health insurance premiums and copays and deductibles. Hey but we have a war to fight and patriots to make rich.

    Meanwhile—-Those “spineless” inactive pacifists are such a threat to this nation with all the talk of affordable health care, good education, the right to practice one’s religion, the right to assemble, the right to dissent, the right to call a crook a crook, and the right to advocate for even the morons to blab their words of hate every chance they get because of their deep seated anger and self-loathing.

  26. Downtown Bob
    August 21, 2007 at 6:58 am

    Yeah righties, Marilyn, NewsstandGreg, ThomasW, Dave, myself and all others who have an even slightly left bent must be insane, or deluded or have a “diseased brain”; along with a majority of voters in the US. Greg and Marilyn made a couple of valid points; is there any response from the righties that isn’t some juvenile name calling? It is all about winning to you on the far right; no discussion, no debate, simply attack, call names and proclaim that you have “won”. There are a few exceptions, like Rich from Paso; I classify him as a conservative, not a “rightie”, because he can question, debate and inform. I respect him for that, even if I don’t agree with all or even most of what he says. Marilyn’s last comment was salient truth; if you don’t agree with her or anyone else, comment on what is written, not on who wrote it. Offer some evidence to back up your assertions. If you have something constructive to add to the conversation, please do so. To continue to simply spew your invectives and claim that you have “won” does not accomplish anything, except to maybe give you some sort of twisted satisfaction. Do you have any idea of how pathetically sad that is?

  27. Marilyn
    August 22, 2007 at 1:04 am

    It is really sad and sobering to read the post of the “Listener.” The feelings expressed are humbling and full of compassion. They reflect the gentleness of a segment of Americans that has been silent for a long time.

    It is particularly striking when the sentiments of the gentleman are contrasted with the macabre, surreal, and superficial reality that makes up the game of the “War on Terror.”

    The people of this nation deserve better. Most people have worked hard all their lives in the hope of building a better future for themselves and their children. Many have sacrificed to protect what, in their minds, represented the most cherished of all American values, freedom, but were taught that freedoms come with a “price:” DEATH. The discrepancy in such concepts has eluded many and we learned to live by slogans and emotional arousal.

    This macabre and ridiculous buildup of the “War on Terror” is but an attempt to control people into acquiescence by fear, gradual fear through carefully disseminated messages over a long period of time. The change is so gradual it is almost unnoticeable. The daily threat alerts, the taking off of shoes at the airport, the inability to carry most liquid containers onto the airplane, and now, this, really highlight the murderous farce that is being inflicted on the American people and the rest of the world. This newly released gem of information (read it and weep [or laugh depending on your current disposition]) on a new and very costly implementation of yet one more strategy to “pick out” potential terrorists is bordering on the funny and ridiculous.

    Isn’t it sad that our resources are being wasted on such asinine programs as the one focusing on facial expressions and body language as a way to detect potential trouble makers. Reminds me of the movie The Minority Report. Hey, we are not far from that.

    In the meantime, gentlemen (and women) such as the listener above are lost among the herd who are only happy to say: “yes sir” to anyone who even carries the illusion of authority (and that usually comes at the barrel of a gun, not the rule of law).

  28. Marilyn
    August 22, 2007 at 1:11 am

    Thisis another news report about the same same story.

  29. Anonymous
    August 22, 2007 at 2:47 am

    Yes, we agree. Marilyn’s PTSD is out of control.
    A woman that hates man and hates the country she lives in is in deep trouble. Yet she has picked a tax supported job that has her around sexually criminally insane men all day.
    Somebody please get this woman some help, or a ticket back to the counrty she loves. Maybe her mother can help her through this emotional crisis.
    Either way she is screaming for help. Maybe we can have a bake sale or something to do our part.

  30. Dixon
    August 22, 2007 at 3:38 am

    Bob admits

    “myself and all others who have an even slightly left bent must be insane, or deluded or have a “diseased brain”

    I may not go that far Bob but you might have hope.
    We can get you government help.
    God luv ya!


  31. pc liberal idiot
    August 22, 2007 at 4:13 am

    I wonder if there were no Americans, Marilyn would finally be happy?

  32. Marilyn
    August 22, 2007 at 7:20 am

    Why PC Liberal Idiot, Anonymous, and all the other not so funny names:

    didn’t you know there are only two kinds of people in this world – Really really really Christian white straight men with really really big guns and EVERYONE ELSE. Forget American!!! That is not part of your world view anyway, so why hold me to it!

    I prefer the message of the “Listener” to the racism and misogyny of most of the posts here. More voices like his need to be heard. They are out there but they are usually drowned by the drivel that is showcased on this and other blogs.

  33. the ghost of christmas past
    August 22, 2007 at 11:43 am

    Marilyn is a constant source of amusement with the way she throws herself into the arena of “ideas” with her hatred of men and all things American, the way she smears, insults, and slanders everyone who disagrees with her and then says that she abhors the misogyny and racism directed at her. So anyone who expresses an opinion she dislikes is a misogynist and a racist? Oh and I forgot, Dave will delete your commment for responding to her. I seriously doubt it if any of you will even see this message in the morning because I was critical of the half-wit anti-American social welfare sponge, Marilyn.

  34. Anonymous
    August 22, 2007 at 1:00 pm

    marilyn said:
    “Really really really Christian white straight men with really really big guns and EVERYONE ELSE. Forget American!!!

    Wow! Somebody has got some really deep rooted problems they need to deal with before they head off changing the world.

    marilyn, seek help! you are not well.

  35. Hoosier21
    August 22, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    I would just like to agree with Rich with the exception that I do not think the Republican party has disappointed me, but that some of our elected officials have disappointed me. That is why I remain a Republican but did not vote a straight Republican ticket in 04. I believe Dave’s letter was legitimate, but I am curious as to if he left the party, where did he leave for? Can you find out Dave? I assume independent.

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