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In Search of Fairness

I will be away on Friday — Pastor Doug and Michael Shecora from KSTT 101.3 will cover for me. And Tom and I will be off next Wednesday for the 4th. Tom is gearing up for his annual family vacation and will be gone the last two weeks of July.

We have been talking a lot about radio lately on the show, echoing similar conversations being held on Hannity and Rush, all aobut the so-called Fairness Doctrine. Many liberals, and even a conservative like Trent Lott, have expressed frustrations with talk radio and the conservative bent currently held. We quoted one study that claims that 91% of all talk radio is conservative. So John Kerry, Babaea Boxer, Hillary Clinton and Dianne Feinstein, among others, have been heard recently saying let’s make things fair.

Briefly, the FCC had tight controls over radio and TV for the first 50 years of broadcasting. We had a Fairness Doctrine, upheld by the Supreme Court in Red Lion Broadcasting, that set the standard. Individual radio and TV stations had to provide balanced programming. If you had an anti-abortion segment, you had to have a pro abortion segment, etc. Individual stations had their licenses renewed every three years and had to prove that they had balanced programming.

That changed with Reagan. He deregulated in 1985-86 and the Fairness Doctrine was killed. Not by coincidence, a young talk radio host from Sacramento went national in 1988. His name was Rush Limbaugh.

So what should it be, folks? Do we need to the government to return and balance everything out or do we let the marketplace decide?

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  1. Anonymous
    June 28, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    Dave,

    If this so-called Fairness Doctrine ever passes, you can kiss AM and your job goodbye.

    Peter

  2. Rich from Paso
    June 28, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    Look, I have been on Dave’s show with my opinion of the Fairness Doctrine. I find any censorship, for no other purpose than to create an arbitrary “fairness” that no one can empirically support, is an anathema to me. I have served my country to protect your free speech rights and now our elected “representatives’ want to impose censorship on only one form of media. If a woman can choose to abort a baby, why can’t I choose to listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and John Gibson, back-to-back-to-back, if I choose to? Why is my choice of radio listening habits more detrimental to the public good than the millions and millions of dead babies?

    For the last 21 years, the marketplace has determined what has been successful on our airwaves. Conservative talk-radio is, by and large, more entertaining and more popular than anything remotely liberal. Dave’s show locally and Ed Schultz’s show in pockets nationally are some of the exceptions to that rule (yes, Dave, your show falls in the liberal catagory). Liberal talk radio, typified by (Dead)Air America, is generally boring and full of the insane rantings of failed comedians like Janine Garafalo and Al Franken. Now, Dave and the rest of the advocates of the Fairness Doctrine claim that the current market structure with lots of conservative talk radio is stiffling debate. Not true, if you actually listent to Rush and Sean, for example, they have a lot of liberal callers. Sean Hannity even has the “Hate Hannity” line where liberal callers vent their hatred on an answering machine. Rush puts liberals to the front of the line. When I tuned in to Randi Rhodes or Al Franken (for a second or two), they would insult and denegrate any conservative callers that might be dumb enough to call.

    Our politicians ask “is the current structure in the public’s best interest?” They are insulting us in two ways; 1) you, the listening public is too stupid to do things in their best interest, 2) they assume they know what that best interest is so as to be able to judge it.

    I remember the early ’80’s and late ’70’s where AM radio was comprised of three formats: oldies radio, top 40, and country. FM was all music. After Reagan deregulated radio, talk radio and news-talk radio sprung up over night. News-talk and straight talk radio is the most profitable and popular use of the public’s AM airwaves.

    So the question to you, Dave, is: which format would you like to DJ for: Country, mariachi, oldies or top 40 music radio? Because if the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated, you will be a music DJ just so your station owners can avoid the regulations that will be on “Hometown Radio”.

    By the way: Why is KVEC playing so many PSA’s and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity spots during their shows? Are you all struggling in the sales departmen?

  3. NewsstandGreg
    June 28, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    Dave,

    In the interest of balance, I can also say that I “served my country” to protect and preserve the (US) Constitution.” The First Amendment included.

    I may also be additionally qualified for this topic because I worked in radio during the years before deregulation deep-sixed the “Fairness Doctrine.”

    Rich from Paso and so many others don’t really know what that meant on a day to day basis at your local station.

    Every station’s license application had at that time, columns the broadcaster would fill in with the percentages/weekly hours of his program time that would be devoted to music shows, public affairs programs, public service announcements, news time, religious programs(!), etc.

    So, each week, a rock n roll station might have to tape a couple of hours of Public service interviews with someone from the community on a topic of concern.

    News would be programmed for 5 minutes each hour, and :30 public service announcements (PSA’s) would be read once an hour. All of this would be spelled out in the grid based form a station owner filled out when promising to perform these elements.

    By the way, once or more often each year, someone on staff had to schedule interviews with many “community representatives” who would be asked, “what do you think are the most important problems or issues in our town?”

    These “problems and issues” answers provided guidance to develop programming to meet these demonstrated community needs as topics for the public affairs programs and PSA’s.

    Each year, the station would certify that, yes, it had met its “promise of performance” content and public service commitment. (Notice, none of this touches on a political point of view or particular philosophy.)

    If license challengers can prove that the station did NOT live up to its promises, a station could lose it license because it presumably was not operating “in the public interest, convenience or necessity.”

    The reason broadcasting (radio and tv) are held to a stricter public trusteeship standard has everything to do with their limited physical resources. There is a limit to the number of channels and frequency spaces in a geographic area.

    Print media can always add pages and websites can always rustle up some more electrons to view!

    But don’t hold your breath about the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Ask yourself today, what does it mean to have the responsibility to act as a public trustee of a community resource?

    Such that you involve 100% of the community instead of the blue/red 50-50 we have now?

    –Newsstand Greg

  4. the ghost of christmas past
    June 28, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    Greg, your link was less than helpful in defining how the standard of “in the public interest, convienence and necessity” was enforced. Nice history lesson, though.

    You describe the world that you lived in under the Fairness Doctrine. You want Dave to live in that world? What a pain in the ass trying to comply with the Fairness Doctrine had to have been.

    The bottom line is that there is no way to get 100% participation out of the American public. Most of them had no clue that the immigration debate was going on and nor did they care. More people voted for Jordin Sparks “American Idol” than will vote for both candidates in the next election, I guarantee it. Trying to enforce this arbitrary concept of fairness is pointless on the masses that don’t care a wit about what is going on in the world in the first place. Who are you worried about with this? The red/blue people that already have their minds made up? If talk-radio is a conservative echo-chamber, then the fairness doctrine would not instil balance, but it would go along way to destroy a means of entertainment for conservatives, a means of income for many businesses and make satelite radio the booming business of the future. You will effectively kill terrestrial radio because no advertiser and no consumer, other than liberal ideologs, want to go back to the bad-old-days of the Fairness Doctrine.

  5. National Public Radio
    June 28, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    I will listen to whatever Nancy Reid and Harry Pelosi tell me to.

  6. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 1:01 am

    Dave? Are you serious? or is this a blog topic? Do you actually think the question of gov’t involvment in radio is legit?
    This gov’t that screwed up social security. welfare. public education. ilegal immagration, taxes? The same gov’t that buys $400 hammers by the truckload?
    The same gov’t with it’s piggy lil face deep in the trough of hidden spending slipped into all legislation? The same gpov’t that flip floips on every issue every 4 years?
    OMG! Please tell me you are kidding!
    The FCC has rules…based on that business people buy radio stations…then to pay for it they try to sell advertising! To mess with that process is Hillary the socialist idea!
    We have a fairness doctrine…it’s called free enterprize!
    Let the market drive content! It has on MTV…desperate housewives slutness every sunday and the list goes on!
    Conservative talk radio dominates radio because nobody trusts the drive by liberal media anymore!
    So be it!
    If you don’t like it change the channel…but know this…what isn’t talk radio is mexican stations these days! get the hint!
    Leave us alone! This is a nation of the people by the people and for the people…Not just a drama stage for limp writsed liberals to cry and pout till the legislate what they want!

  7. Brett
    June 29, 2007 at 1:32 am

    The Rush Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s, and O’Reilly’s have dumbed down the dumb even more.

    My concern that there are a lot, and I mean a lot of folks, who get their information– or what purports to be information, from right-wing radio. It’s a damn scary thought.

    Limbaugh and his ilk have constantly barraged their audiences with this concept that the news media cannot be trusted to report accurate information and that it only them- El Rushbo, Hannity, O’reilly that can be trusted.

    I just caught a moment of Rush this morning and he was going on about Islamofascism. What is that?. Does he or his listeners even understand Fascism?. Given Facisms tenets is Islamofascism even possible?. Or by using the term Islamofacism a way to generate suspicion and potential hate against Islam and Islamic nations.

    I’d like to see a little time given to countering viewpoints. And that doesn’t include allowing the poorest augumentative listeners on the air to be used for cannon fodder by Rush.— I can guarantee only the uninformed with weak arguments are let on.

  8. Brett
    June 29, 2007 at 1:34 am

    The Rush Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s, and O’Reilly’s have dumbed down the dumb even more.

    My concern that there are a lot, and I mean a lot of folks, who get their information– or what purports to be information, from right-wing radio. It’s a damn scary thought.

    Limbaugh and his ilk have constantly barraged their audiences with this concept that the news media cannot be trusted to report accurate information and that it only them- El Rushbo, Hannity, O’reilly that can be trusted.

    I just caught a moment of Rush this morning and he was going on about Islamofascism. What is that?. Does he or his listeners even understand Fascism?. Given Facisms tenets is Islamofascism even possible?. Or by using the term Islamofacism a way to generate suspicion and potential hate against Islam and Islamic nations.

    I’d like to see a little time given to countering viewpoints. And that doesn’t include allowing the poorest augumentative listeners on the air to be used for cannon fodder by Rush.— I can guarantee only the uninformed with weak arguments are let on.

  9. Bob Sr
    June 29, 2007 at 1:41 am

    If you live in SLO County area this is who you get in congress
    Diane Feinstein
    Barbara Boxer
    Lois Capps
    Nancy Pelosi
    What the hell kind of fairness is that.

  10. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 1:47 am

    America the Beautiful,
    or so you used to be.
    Land of the Pilgrims’ pride;
    I’m glad they’ll never see.

    Babies piled in dumpsters,
    Abortion on demand,
    Oh, sweet land of liberty;
    your house is on the sand.

    Our children wander aimlessly
    poisoned by cocaine
    chosing to indulge their lusts,
    when God has said abstain

    From sea to shining sea,
    our Nation turns away
    From the teaching of God’s love
    and a need to always pray.

    We’ve kept God in our temples,
    how callous we have grown.
    When earth is but His footstool,
    and Heaven is His throne.

    We’ve voted in a government
    that’s rotting at the core,
    Appointing Godless Judges;
    who throw reason out the door,

    Too soft to place a killer
    in a well deserved tomb,
    But brave enough to kill a baby
    before he leaves the womb.

    You think that God’s not angry,
    that our land’s a moral slum?
    How much longer will He wait
    before His judgment comes?

    How are we to face our God,
    from Whom we cannot hide?
    What then is left for us to do,
    but stem this evil tide?

    If we who are His children,
    will humbly turn and pray;
    Seek His holy face
    and mend our evil way:

    Then God will hear from Heaven;
    and forgive us of our sins,
    He’ll heal our sickly land
    and those who live within.

    But, America the Beautiful, if you don’t – then you will see,
    A sad but Holy God
    withdraw His hand from Thee.

  11. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 1:49 am

    brett
    lighten up on that mouse pal! we saw your post…no need for a double post…
    back off, read a good book, call your buddy for special snuggle time…go breath so of that clean air…you’re way to stressed out pal!
    talk radio is here to stay.
    it’s ok…really…realx…
    thats it!

  12. fairness blogger
    June 29, 2007 at 1:49 am

    say Brett,
    see if you can muster up the strength without government aid or laws and switch your friggin radio to Air Americas and get the “truth”.

  13. arroyogrande
    June 29, 2007 at 2:12 am

    “Fairness” to me should be “equal opportunity” NOT “equal outcome”. If there is equal opportunity to run a radio station, then, in my opinion, there is no problem.

    At the very least, Rush and his ilk are a form of entertainment…are we going to force rap stations to air classical music in order to make sure that all types of music are heard by all listeners?

    It also seems like a slippery slope. For instance, the TV show “Boston Legal” seems to mock traditionally conservative views (through the often bumbling character played by Bill Shatner), while elevating traditionally liberal ones (through the eloquent character played by James Spader). Would the fairness doctrine require the writers of the show to write eloquent and thoughtful conservative views for the Shatner character, and write bumbling liberal views for the Spader character at least half the time?

    One last point…where does the fairness doctrine come into effect regarding *lack* of news coverage? If a news agency doesn’t think that a certain story is “important”, but that it’s philisophical conterpart *is*, would they be required to cover both aspects equally? Currently, in my opinion, this does not happen.

    – arroyogrande

  14. rob in los osos
    June 29, 2007 at 2:25 am

    hey jerry, OOPS – I mean anonymous. Keep your crappy poetry and your overblown religious righteousness to yourself. You ain’t foolin’ anybody.

  15. fairness blogger
    June 29, 2007 at 2:32 am

    greg newstands
    “The reason broadcasting (radio and tv) are held to a stricter public trusteeship standard has everything to do with their limited physical resources. There is a limit to the number of channels and frequency spaces in a geographic area.”

    limit to channels was the old days greg,i understand your point. that was the 50’s or 60’s when living in slo a big rooftop antenna was needed to get 1 or 2 tv stations. with the net, satellite tv and cable your point is extremely invalid and useless.

  16. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 3:32 am

    rob your a dork and im not jerry

  17. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 4:09 am

    rob is our blog bafoon! we love to watch him make a fool of himself guessing which anon blogger is this jerry guy!
    Makes me laff every time i see him rant like a 12 yr old girl!
    rob and brett…are they room mates? special friends? soul mates?
    I think i ran out of politically correct was to say “it”…

  18. rob in los osos
    June 29, 2007 at 4:42 am

    o.k. 1st things 1st –

    its “you’re” not “your”;
    “buffoon” not “bafoon”;

    Jerry – your terrible spelling is only outdone by your atrocious poetry

    And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming…

    This is the way I see it. Talk radio is entertainment. Anyone who thinks it is anything else is sadly mistaken. And like anything that is entertainment, the lowest common denominator will always appeal to the greatest number. The reason – the great majority of people don’t want to try and think for themselves, challenge themselves, or make any effort to broaden their horizons. Conservative talk radio is like top 40 pop music – light on content but hey, its got a good beat and you can dance to it. The reason air america didn’t do well is they tried to dumb it down to the conservative level by being by and large bomb throwers, instead of doing what Thom Hartman does, which is to intelligently present reasoned arguments and back them up with facts. Now the problem with that is it simply, for most people, does not make for entertaining radio.

  19. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 4:48 am

    Air America died because it was BORING!!!

  20. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    ha ha ha! The fairness doctrine dies a typical liberal death in the house…Congress kills the amnesty bill!
    Boy! I am sure glad the dems took over the house and senate! we are really getting things done now!
    and how bout that 14% approval rating?? This so funny! Dingey harry & nabla nancy rating far below Bush’s…This is classic!
    Wake up libs! The conservatives are still, and will always be, in control of this country!
    Man! it sucks to be a liberal eh? and in 2 years we will have both houses and white house back…This is historical! The death of democrat party…right in front of your eyes!
    Go Rush! Sean! BillO! Savage! Oh! the list goes on…and it will forever!
    Newspapers are dead! Radio and the net are NOW!

  21. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    The libs are angry at talk radio because 10’s of millions listen to conservative talk radio every day…even more watch Fox news now and Bill O rules cable news…all other combined can’t touch his numbers.
    No wonder the libs want to control it or shut it down.
    Face it…tha vast majority of Americans hate your liberal BS!
    Your own leaders are trailing bush by 10 points in the polls.
    Wake up and smell the coffee…
    Radical liberalism, or shall we call it “Hillary socialism” is dead and 87% of Americans won’t buy that crap anymore.
    We own the airways…we own cable news…and now given the antics of the past few days…we own the nation!
    Go pound sand libs…your day has come and gone.
    so long!

  22. Anonymous
    June 29, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Dave,

    You are starting to take on the roll of zoo keeper, periodically throwing fresh meat to the savages. I’m sure you already realize that.

    If that is the intent of blogging, you are hitting a home run. If the intent is to provide a forum that compliments your first-class radio show by allowing for deeper discussion than radio time constraints allow, well, this isn’t it.

    When time permits in the show schedule, perhaps you would consider a radio segment about the role of this blog in your overall approach to what you do.

    Thanks

  23. Hoosier21
    June 29, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Sorry about the above.

    Brett, what a ludicrous statement, “dumb down the dumb”. The party that needs the people who can not read or write is calling Rush listeners dumb? Take a chill pill and refrain from the labels. This would serve everyone better. Let loose of the hate. Gore lost.
    As far as Islamofascism is concerned, seeing how this word is in the New Oxford American Dictionary, I can not see your faulting
    Rush for using it. Also, by tying me into this (his ilk), you have made it personal. I realize you don’t see the MSM as liberal. But, 10’s of millions do and it is up to “his ilk” to research and give both sides of the story.

  24. Dave Congalton
    June 29, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Anonymous,

    I think you raise a legitimate question about the purpose of my blog. I see it as a companion piece to my radio show, a chance for people to continue the dialogue after the radio discussion is over. By and large, things I post here have already been discussed on the show.

    But, I can’t control the blog like i do the show. We can’t screen bloggers or limit their comments or keep them on topic or censor tasteless remarks. It’s frustrating and I’m open to suggestions, but this is the blogging world.

    Obviously my priority is on the radio show. That’s where I devote my energy.

  25. Rich from Paso
    June 29, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Dave, I would like a thread on the immigration debate because I would like to continue the dialogue that Michele and I had last night. Thanks

  26. billyd
    June 30, 2007 at 4:47 am

    rich the immigration bill is dead
    IN SEARCH OF FAIRNESS debate is dead if it sells its on the air.
    and yes dave four long hours a day on the radio must be tuff.i feel the sweat on my brows, grab a hammer or shovel do a roof or cook for people 8 hours 5 days a week with no vacations and by the way why do you get so many vacations most people are lucky to get one O ya its that contract with big money. whats that old saying if you cant do then teach but you cant do that eather so you talk talk to funny

  27. Anonymous
    June 30, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    hometown radio is a rare find these days…enjoy it while you can. That the shows leans left is stake in the heart given the sybdicated shows they could throw on that time slot with advertising dollars through the roof.
    Ya don’t know what ya got till it’s gone…but like this blog SLO has it’s head in the sand or up dabutt!
    We are a tiny community with literally no impact on what’s happening on the state or national level. Keep it local as long as we can.
    Once we start to think state and nation we are doomed. Really no one cares what we thing…no growth, liberal, aternative lifestyle, tax supported economy, large liberal college, a dead and dying downtown.
    Like I said enjoy it while ya can. The days are numbered and we all know it.

  28. Anonymous
    July 1, 2007 at 1:09 am

    I can’t wait to see Bob copy-n-paste his way out of the 3 terror attempts in england this weekend…But for those attacks the dems may have had a chance…now that the world see what the real threats are of the world wide war on terror the conservatives will roll right in for another 8 years…
    But make no mistake, in the liberal drive by media tomorrow and all next week this will be blamed on Bush.
    Your shirts are as empty as your “talk points” filled lil pointed heads.
    We need tru guts in the white house! Not a socialist lesbian!

  29. Diane F
    July 1, 2007 at 4:00 am

    Fairness is overated.

  30. Mister F. of Harmony
    July 1, 2007 at 4:20 am

    Dave, I would enjoy a show, a local show mind you on the introspective feelings of out artist community here in San Luis Obispo. We all are aware that art has been and always will be an most important subject to out local common people. I am very glad to contribute to art in this community.

    How about I take over Mr. L’Bimbo’s radio slot and I can read some headlines out of the tribune like The King and Ben do in the morning?

    I am just so sure that we can do better than what we now have in this radio for the dumbest of the dumb bunnies of our communities. It is just so sad and tragic to me that they have been taught by this self proclaimed “Doctor or Democracy” so-called into thinking that the mainstream media is not truthful! Wait, is it or isn’t it. Michelle and Bill says it is not doing it’s job, except when it is against the Bush cronies then it is doing it’s job. I go both ways on it you know.

    Enough of me, what say you?

  31. Bob from San Luis
    July 1, 2007 at 6:23 am

    So you want a cut ‘n paste, hey? Okay then: …”If today’s events at Glasgow prove to be linked to the two non-events yesterday in London, then we should heave a sigh of relief. We may be witnessing the implosion of takfiri jihadists–religious fanatics who are incredibly inept. “….

    That was pulled from this blog from one Larry Johnson who knows a thing or two about terrorism and terrorists tactics.
    anonymouse, what do you make of the “attacks” in London and Glasgow? Are we all doomed, or will President Bush save the day?

    As for the fairness doctrine and Air America; Air America is still broadcasting, still running commercials, still taking calls, still in business! Yes, they are operating under the protection of a chapter 11, but answer me this; how many corporations in the US are currently operating under a chapter 11? How many airlines are in a chapter 11 situation? Here is a link to an article from 2005 about the airline industry. Sure the article is a little old, but the underlying theme remains, a chapter 11 filing does not mean that a business cannot continue to operate, and a high percentage make it out of chapter 11 and flourish afterwards.

    To the fairness doctrine: When the guest on Dave’s show from the Hoover Institute carried on about how unfair it would be to make radio and tv go back to the F.D. and I called him on the notion that the airwaves are part of our “commons”, meaning they are not owned by anyone, but instead they are owned by everyone, he sputtered and stammered about “what do you want to do next, make sure all of the newspapers are ‘fair’?”
    I mentioned to him that I don’t see the need for a full return to the F.D., but we could sure use a little truth in advertising. When Sean Hannity says he has the “most comprehensive news you need”, he is misleading his listeners. He and all other am “personalities” are not “news”; they may have some news during their program, but most of their programs are opinion, and should be labeled as such. There are still a great number of US citizens that believe that Saddam had something to do with 9/11, because they hear it on Fox News, or Rush or Sean or Bill; JUST BECAUSE IT IS ON THE RADIO DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE! If you hear something on Rush or Air America that you think is “off” or plain wrong, research it for yourself before you either embrace it as truth or dismiss it as untrue because it came from someone you don’t like to listen to.
    If broadcasters would give equal time to candidates for the three months prior to an election, I think most would agree that that would be “fair”.

  32. Anonymous
    July 1, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    Wow! Bob! A link from 2005? Man…you’re getting desperate!
    Nice copy-n-paste though! In line with your typical style.
    I have a question! Why are the liberals so concerned about Conservative talk radio? If it’s all bloviating then why so scared lil buckaroo?
    You are scared out of your wits because the major conservative talk show hosts (way too many to list here) are telling the American people the truth. Truth they won’t find in the liberal drive by media.
    And your one claim to fame is in bankruptcy! 1 liberal show…and it’s broke? LOL! I hope you see the humor in all this cuz we sure do!
    1 show against 10? 15? 20? conservative shows raking in the big bucks…and yours is broke?
    Ya know why? Cuz you libs want the gov’t to pay for everything thta’s why!
    Dig into your ockets and put your money (not ours) where your mouth is!
    It will never happen with the radical liberal left…their heads are burried too deep in the public tax trough!
    Pigs!

  33. Bob Sr
    July 1, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Only the twisted logic of a liberal like Bob would make a case for regulating what people say on the radio.

  34. ANONYMOUS
    July 1, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    Hey Bob! CopyNpaste this answer for me…
    Why is “your” congress and senate’s ratings 10% below the worst president in history.

    In fact it the lowest rating in the history of the house and senate

    pssst! this should be good! LOL

  35. Paul
    July 1, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Let me tell you how the fairness doctrine works in real life- you get a speaker from your side of the issue who is intelligent and likeable then for the opposition you find a raving, sweaty, jerkoff. Give them equal time and you’ve complied with the law and given the public a fair and balanced look at the issue. You can sleep peacefully at night knowing you are a Great American.
    Most people know that when Sean says he has the only news you need, or Rush says that he is right 90% of the time it’s just hyperbole, they don’t view it as canon. As for the rest who are so easily led; the country is much better off if they believe in as little government as possible. I think the audience cons. talk radio has is more a matter of filling a void than of creating a fan base anyway.
    We don’t need your babysitting, leave us alone, it’s none of your business what we listen to, or why.

    Doom Bob? Come on back to us brother, it’s ok. You’ll get dust bunnies in your nose hiding under the bed like that.
    Hey I know! How ’bout if every time a car bomb goes off in the States, we take out a mosque in Syria or Iran?!
    Sweeeet!!

  36. Bob from San Luis
    July 1, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    No cut ‘n paste this time, just a short answer about Air America. Air America is not one program, it is an entire network. Rush is one program, Sean is one program, as are all of the other “Conservative” talkers; Rush does have an impressive number of stations that carry his program, but that does not make it a network. Air America started from the ground up as a network of several programs, and had to connivence stations to carry their programing. Where Air America really dropped the ball is in the business end of things; not having a viable business plan, not lining up enough financial backers, not having enough salespeople to sell advertising. They have not “failed” in the sense of no longer operating, they have reorganized with a new owner and have also shaken up the programming; I do not believe that they will ultimately “fail”, but we will see.

  37. the ghost of christmas past
    July 1, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    So what you are saying is that Air America were stupid for starting a network instead of just creating and syndicating a bunch of liberal programs. That make Al Franken and everyone that lost money on Air America twice as stupid as I thought they were. Those knuckleheads didn’t even know who their real competition was.

  38. Anonymous
    July 1, 2007 at 10:12 pm

    LOL Bob!
    If you were a dinosaur you’d be in the Labrea tar pits in LA defending walking into it with the others…
    You don’t have an original thought in your “talking points” twisted little brain!
    Air america is DOA pal! Wake up and smell the coffee!
    What will you say when KVEC closes it’s doors to a satalite?
    The business plan was wrong? sales people lazy? Bob…do actually understand how what you say sounds??
    we do!
    Dumb!

  39. brett
    July 2, 2007 at 12:13 am

    ” Also, by tying me into this (his ilk), you have made it personal. I realize you don’t see the MSM as liberal. But, 10’s of millions do and it is up to “his ilk” to research and give both sides of the story.”

    You’ve proved my point.

    Research–Yeah right. You think Rush does research?. Your concept of both sides of the the story and my concept of both sides of the story are about a light year away from each other.

    Your concept is seems to be that since Rush said it must be true. Don’t worry about any facts or any justification, El Rushbo said it so I will take him at his word. That’s what I mean about scary.

    My concept is that if you have a counter argument you make that argument based on facts and sound reasoning.

    By the way the only AA (that’s for you EIB junkies) program I consistently listen to is Stephanie Miller and I think her show is syndicated. Also, I think the Randi Rhodes’ show is as offensive (from a critical thinking standpoint) as Rush and his ilk are.

    One last thing, show me some actual news articles (in major newspapers) or specific news segments (TV) that justify your belief that the MSM (Main Stream Media)is liberal. And I’m not talking about opinion pieces.

  40. Anonymous
    July 2, 2007 at 1:10 am

    btreett,
    you are so lost & hopeless.
    so sad.
    so you liberal dribe by media! Really pal…open a newspaper and read!
    Stop down loading your talking points from George sorros!
    THINK!

  41. EIB
    July 7, 2007 at 4:11 am

    Bob once again with another bizarre angle on reality says

    “Rush does have an impressive number of stations that carry his program, but that does not make it a network.”

    not a network of 600+stations?

  42. gail
    July 26, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    Hi Dave,
    You know we Libertarians would love to have equal time with the DemRep but since most media is privately owned we don’t get to demand they give us equal time and since we sign a pledge not to use force for political gain we cannot ask the gov’t to force you to give me equal time. As much as I think it would be good for America to hear from me and many other Libertarians, we cannot use force via gov’t decree.
    gail lightfoot

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