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Money Trumps Peace Sometimes

KVEC carried the presidential press conference Wednesday morning. Tom Madsen noted that afternoon that he thought the president seemed particularly strained in his answers. My favorite was the question on whether or not Bush thought Iraq was in a civil war — his answer basically was that “I live in this beautiful White House and I’m not over in Iraq to see firsthand for myself.” At which point I yelled to the radio, “Well, W., if you sent your daughters over to serve, they could tell,” but I know Rich would consider that a personal attack on the president he loves.

But another statement in the press conference by the worst-president-in-modern-U.S.-history is really provoking my left-leaning listeners. I’ve heard from several already about this exchange:

Q: A lot of our allies in Europe do a lot of business with Iran, so I wonder what your thoughts are about how you further tighten the financial pressure on Iran, in particular, if it also means economic pain for a lot of our allies?

THE PRESIDENT: It’s an interesting question. One of the problems — not specifically on this issue, just in general — let’s put it this way, money trumps peace, sometimes. In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world. And part of the issue in convincing people to put sanctions on a specific country is to convince them that it’s in the world’s interest that they forgo their own financial interest.

Money trumps peace? Harmful slip of the tongue? Startling insight? Bush revealed finally? What do you think?

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  1. Rich from Paso
    February 15, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    No more than Bush speaking the truth. Fact is that French, German, an Russian companies did business with Iraq during the embargo. This ensured that Saddam continued to have the weapons of war he needed. Many US businesses illegally did business with Iraq. Many European businesses are doing said buisness with Iran right now and that is helping them build their nuclear program and build the weapons that Iran is exporting to Iraq to kill my friends. So all of these businesses are choosing money over peace right now.

    Now that you seem all rested up, Dave, when are you going to Iraq to see for yourelf? You talk all this noise about Bush needing to send his daughters over there, when are you going to get off the sidelines of the second biggest event in your life and get into the game?

  2. Rich from Paso
    February 15, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    Just to clarify my comment earlier, and based on your post, it appears I need to: To call President Bush the worst president of all time is not a personal attack; it is an assessment of his performance as President. However, when you alledge that he married Laura because he is illiterate based on NOTHING but your own thought processes, that IS a personal attack.

    There. Now that that is cleared up, you can start packing for Iraq so you can hurry up, get over there, get back and post your photos from your trip over there. What are you waiting on?

  3. JerryDinAZ
    February 15, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    SIGH…YAWN

  4. Anonymous
    February 15, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    We get it Dave….you HATE Bush, his policies, & the war. Have you got ANYTHING else to rant about besides that???

  5. Dave Congalton
    February 15, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    Anonymous,

    I am merely posting a controversial part of a presidential press conference for your comment. It’s not about me hating Bush. Front page story in today’s LA Times reports the wave of Republican congresmen deserting Bush on Iraq.

    Wake up, Anonymoous. It’s the beginning of the end for GWB, the worst president in modern history.

  6. Anonymous
    February 15, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    You could be so much MORE than JUST a hate Bush commentator. Your topics and how the usual players each comment are VERY predictable. We all know by now how you feel & how Bob & Brett & Rich & Santa Maria Bill feel. No one’s mind is being changed on this issue…. I guess maybe you can’t think of anything else to BLOG about…& since it’s part of your contract with CLear Channel to have a Blog…..and the Blog goes on & on & on……

  7. Rich from Paso
    February 15, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    svoqiofAnon. asks a good question, but let me rephrase: Why are you purposefully ignoring the debates on the non-binding resolutions on Iraq in the House and Senate (the politcal topic of the day) in favor of a discussion on a self-evident topic, “money over peace” (My first reactions was “Duh!!”). So what gives, Dave? Still suffering from jet lag or snow blindness from the Antarctica trip?

  8. Dave Congalton
    February 15, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    Look at what the BBC is reporting this morning:

    The US invasion plan for Iraq envisaged that only 5,000 US troops would remain in Iraq by December 2006, declassified Central Command documents show.

    The material also shows that the US military projected a stable, pro-US and democratic Iraq by that time.

    The August 2002 material was obtained by the National Security Archive (NSA). Its officials said the plans were based on delusional assumptions.

    The US currently has some 132,000 troops in the violence-torn state.

    The documents – in the form of PowerPoint slides – were prepared by the now-retired Gen Tommy Franks and other top commanders at the time.

  9. Dave Congalton
    February 15, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    Anonymous,

    Nothing prevents you from starting a new topic. But your problem is you attack me out of frustration — Bush has let you down. He was your guy. You believe in him and this silly war.

    Now it’s all blown up in your face, Anonymous. And poor you — you can’t even attach your name to your opinion. How sad. How pathetic. The best you can do is come after me and my postings.

    Fair enough. That’s why I get the big bucks.,

    Rich —

    So what about what is happening in Congress this week? I think it is exciting and dramatic and healthy to have the debate. Even Republicans are crossing over and joining the refusal to support an increase of troops.

    That is all this is about — whether or not we support Bush sending additional troops. The American people, according to the polls, don’t want it. Congress doesn’t want it. Even some top generals don’t want the increase.

    We’re whistling in the dark, Rich and Bush doesn’t have a clue. So attack Congress all you want, but they didn’t start this war. history pins that honor on Dick Cheney who got Puppet Boy to go along.

  10. Dave Congalton
    February 15, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    One last item. I just booked a group of visiting U.S. soldiers, each one an Iraqi veteran, to be on the show next Thursday at 5:30. Each one against the war.

    Let’s hear from them, shall we?

  11. Anonymous
    February 15, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    OF COURSE you have booked a group of anti war U.S. soldiers, veterans of the Iraq war…why not have the Code Pink folks on again and top it off with Santa Maria Bill as well?? As I said before you are SO predictable. This is not an attack Dave, just truth.

  12. Rich from Paso
    February 15, 2007 at 7:58 pm

    Okay, that was a personal attack, just so you know the difference. Here is where you take the specific and expand it to the general, that this unspecified number of veterans are all against the Iraq War ergo all or a majority of soldiers are against the war. You will be using the logical fallacy of confirmation of bias (similar to observational selection): This refers to a form of selective thinking that focuses on evidence that supports what believers already believe while ignoring evidence that refutes their beliefs. Confirmation bias plays a stronger role when people base their beliefs upon faith, tradition and prejudice (against Bush and the Iraq War in your case, Dave). (as seen here at http://www.nobeliefs.com/fallacies.htm)

    Furthermore, the whole non-binding resolution pap is style over substance. I say, so freakin what! The money is still flowing, the troops are still going and Bush ain’t backing down against a “non-binding” resolution. You want to be seen a brave and courageous as you undermine our military and our country vis a vie the terrorists and the other countries of the world, then grab them testicles and have the House put forth a binding resolution cutting off funding for the war. That is brave. Actually, I feel sorry for those poor bastards in Darfur, Sudan. There is all of this clamor from Hollywood to end the genocide in Darfur, but if those people have access to ANY information on current events, they have to know that if the United States were to go over there and try to stop the genocide and if we take a few dozen casualties, the Liberals in Congress will lose their will to fight and leave the Jajaweed and the other islamists to go back to their genocide on the people of Darfur. How can any oppressed group of people in the world expect the US to come to their rescue and stay until they are truely rescued if will dessert the Iraqi people? We did it for the French, the Dutch, Belgians, South Koreans, Bosnians, Kosovars, the starving Somalis, the East Timorans, just to name a few. It is you liberals are the ones that are shitting on the good name of the United States with your weak-kneed caterwalling over the Iraq War, not Bush. Only the tyrannts and pansies of the world lament what Bush is doing in Iraq. You are also emasculating future presidents by lowering the acceptable threashold of casualties to unprecedented lows. Why? Because you hate Bush and you hate the Iraq War, that’s it. We have lost far, far, far, fewer soldiers in the three years of Iraq than we have in any other war in American history, FACT! We have far, far, far, fewer wounded as a result of Iraq than any other war in American history, FACT! Oh, but wait, if we were to go to Darfur, it will be SOOOOO noble and SOOOOO worthwhile, you might just sacrifice 3000+ soldiers on a country that has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on the United States. Iraq, for all of the gnashing of teeth on connections to the War on Terror, has more impact on US national security by its very location alone than Sudan ever will. But feel-good liberalism will see Darfur as more important to the US than a country in the heart of the region of the world with people out to destroy us. With the bloodsport nature of contemporary politics, heaven help the next Democrat president whomever they may be, because every conservative Republican, maybe even a few RINOs, will try to make political hay out of any Democrat use of the military. We have seen it for the last 10 years with Clinton and Bush presidencies and now it will continue to be perpetuated as the Democrats get more and more desparate to rub Bush’s nose in his perceived incompetence.

    The sad part is that the Democrats really missed a golden opportunity to wrest complete political control over Bush away with this Iraq War resolution. How you ask? Let’s assume for the sake of argument that the Democrats were so vitriolically hateful of the Iraq War. Instead, let’s say they took a more pragmatic critical approach that didn’t reach the singular “bring the troops home” message of the Dems. Then the Democrats, with their new majority, would have positioned themselves to where they could voice limited approval over the troop surge. To wit: they could say, “We are opposed to continuing this war, but, in the interests of winning in Iraq for the Iraqi people, we will allow you 6 month, 1 year whatever, to turn the tide or we cut off funding and end this.” That way, the Dems would have been seen as the mature, responsible party if they have to cut off funding (“we gave it a shot and it failed”) or they would be able to claim part of the victory if the surge succeeds. Either way, the Dems would have a win-win going into ’08. Now, if the surge succeeds, the Democrat Party will forever be the McGovern Party of anti-war, bad-for-national-security liberalism. Even if the surge fails, I very much doubt that this Democrat controlled Congress has the balls (or ovaries) to cut off fund for fear of being seen as abandoning the troops in the field.

    Again, I renew my call for you to stop taking the anti-war veterans or my word on what Iraq is like and go see for yourself. It could happen if you want it to happen.

  13. marianne
    February 15, 2007 at 8:08 pm

    Soon to be Oscar winner Al Gore is going promote a giant ‘GLOBAL WARMING’ concert this July. Details to be posted later!!!!

  14. Anonymous
    February 15, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    where am I? is this moveon.org?

  15. JerryDinAZ
    February 15, 2007 at 11:54 pm

    DAVE,
    I CAN GET YOU 1.8 MILLION US SOLDIERS THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF WINNING IN IRAQ.
    LET’S HERE FROM THEM SHALL WE?

  16. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 12:12 am

    Good one Jerry!! How about it DAVE???

  17. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 12:26 am

    Anyone,
    The war was a lie. It was started with false premises. You can try to defend them but you only loose credibility. I feel sorry for people who defend a power structure designed by elitists that benefit the elite. Do you really believe that the richest of the rich care about you? Other than using you, and manipulating you to self select to defend them and self select to ellect the officials that promote their agendas.

  18. america
    February 16, 2007 at 1:40 am

    When you get Congalton and Holegate talking about raising children, I wonder when Clinton will be on hometown radio to give marriage advice.
    Maybe get President Bush next week telling us about the qualities it takes to be a good leader or illegals bitching about their foodstamps being late.

    thanks for keeping it real,
    America

  19. JerryDinAZ
    February 16, 2007 at 3:06 am

    18 POSTS
    22% BY THE BLOG MASTER
    39% BY ANONYMOUS

    TOTAL: 61%

    THIS BLOG IS OUT OF CONTROL

    THAT DEEP BREATH LASTED MAYBE 30 SECONDS

  20. Marilyn
    February 16, 2007 at 4:00 am

    Dave,

    I think your question is pertinent.

    I don’t think Bush had a slip of the tongue. The agenda is still on track: the weakening of all Middle Eastern countries that do not support our policies in the region.

    The end is what is important to the Neo Cons and the human prop we have for a president. All the arguments, “evidence,” and rationales to justify the wars in the region are made up as time goes on to achieve the original goal, control of the Middle East.

    Have you even thought about why we do not see eye to eye with the rest of the world? Could it be that we are warlike because we can be, and that power dictates authority?

    Iran was on the Neo Con agenda from the beginning. They are just getting around to it, and the fragmentation of the Middle East is coming along, one nation at a time with a delusional and emotionally stunted effigy in the most powerful position in the world. If I were him, I would be embarrassed. The fact that he does not get it, the fact that he keeps making a fool of himself every time he opens his mouth, and the fact that despite his lies and high crimes he continues to be president, should tell you what kind of leadership this nation has and how smart we really are.

    The sad part is, we are just as ignorant and impotent as the most backward country in god’s creation; we just live under the illusion that we are somehow better than everybody else (a racist and condescending world view, by the way). I am not saying that everyone thinks that way. What I am saying is that we have been so complacent for so many years, we have made it easy for the criminals to exploit our naiveté and lack of interest to carry out their national and global crimes.

    One of the previous posters got it right. It is all those in power against the rest of us. The reason that such a moron was allowed to stay in power this long should tell all of us how complacent we have become and how enticed we are with world domination through our military and corporate proliferation. We have a lifestyle to support! Just because we can kick ass across the globe does not mean we are right, just, or free. Real power is not exerted with a hard fist because people will resist physical oppression. Real power lies in the ability of those who are controlling us to lead us to their liking while making us think that they have our best interest at heart, while carrying out their crimes.

    We are just as hostage to the people who rule us as the people of Iran are to theirs. The only difference is we have toys to keep us busy and our purchasing ability makes us think we have more freedom.

    Sure, we are free to buy stuff, but are we free to change the world we live in for the better and for the benefit of the poor and dispossessed, for the “average” guy who is trying to raise a family by working very hard, and are we free to bring the real criminals to justice? Those are the questions that should be asked.

    This is not about being a Republican or a Democrat; it is not about being liberal or conservative, Christian or Muslim. It is about the corrupting influence of power and the gullibility of the masses. It is about the “greatest” democracy in the world allowing itself to be hijacked by both parties. This agenda has been in the planning for 2 decades. The rest of the world knew and we are just waking up to it?

    The biggest blunder our elected representatives made was to give this particular president the right to do as he chooses (including the decision to nuke others). Is such a decision to be entrusted to such a warlike goof, or should it be in the hands of calmer heads and more rational spirits?

  21. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 4:50 am

    Money trumps alright!

    Hillary Clinton Buying Black Vote for $200,000

    The press reported on Tuesday that Sen. Hillary Clinton had scored a coup in the presidential race by winning the endorsement of a key black political leader in South Carolina, state Sen. Darrell Jackson.

    Now it has come to light that just days earlier, Clinton’s campaign reached a deal to pay Jackson’s consulting firm $10,000 a month through the 2008 elections – a deal worth more than $200,000.

    “Jackson had also been in talks with Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign about endorsing him and entering into a consulting contract for more than $5,000, sources said – raising questions about whether Jackson’s endorsement was bought by a higher bidder,” the New York Post reported.

  22. Marilyn
    February 16, 2007 at 5:29 am

    Dave,

    Ramsey Clark and Vote to Impeach are planning a march on Washington on March 17th (the 4th anniversary of the War). This mobilization is supported by soldiers, vets, and their families. Check the website out. It would probably be relevant to the interviews you are doing on Thursday.

    veterans, and soldiers’ families issue statement in support of March on the Pentagon

  23. Dave Congalton
    February 16, 2007 at 5:43 am

    Anonymous,

    Why are you so afraid of hearing from Iraqi veterans who are against the war? Rich from Paso has been in studio at least three times to show his support for the war. Why not get a different perspective?

    Check out the headlines for tomorrow – $10 billion wasted in Iraq. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 BILLION DOLLARS.

    And yet to you and Rich and Jerry, those of us who question this war have no credibility. We’re idiots. We’re predictable. We’re unpatriotic. You guys have all the answers.

    Where have we heard that before?

    So now we’re in this mess, this quagmire. people are dying every day. Billions of dollars are being wasted. The world has turned against us. Bin Laden is laughing at us.

    And my crime? I’m predictable because I dare give voice to PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY VIEWPOINT IN THIS COUNTRY.

    DON’T YOU GET IT, GUYS? IF YOU SUPPORT THE WAR, IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH, YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY.

    So why on earth do I have to justify myself to you?

  24. Bob from San Luis
    February 16, 2007 at 10:16 am

    So the tally is so far:

    Rich: No more than Bush speaking the truth.
    and (My first reactions was “Duh!!”)

    Jerry: SIGH…YAWN

    anonymous: We get it Dave….you HATE Bush, his policies, & the war. Have you got ANYTHING else to rant about besides that???

    Marilyn: I don’t think Bush had a slip of the tongue. The agenda is still on track: the weakening of all Middle Eastern countries that do not support our policies in the region.

    Me: This was President Bush showing the world exactly who he is and what he is doing and how he thinks. Money trumps peace, sometimes. I honestly think he threw the sometimes in there to soften what he had just said, somewhat.

    Let the weapons inspectors finish their job; there’s no money to be made in that.

    Diplomacy with Iraq instead of invading; there’s no money to be made in that.

    Adhere to the wording of the Force Authorization vote by Congress (Go back to the UN) and report to Congress on the diplomatic front; there’s no money to be made in that.

    Invade a nation that had never harmed us, had no capacity to harm us; Oh yeah baby, bring it on! Now there’s a way to have my cronies in the defense industry and the energy industries make some serious buck.

    After invading let’s not worry about any plans for keeping the peace; there’s no money to made in that.

    Follow the Geneva Conventions; there’s no money to made in that.

    Have accountability for the pallets of six hundred thousand dollars each; there’s no money to made in that.

    Ten Billion dollars unaccounted for; oh yeah, that’s someone making some serious cash. Never mind that some of that unaccounted cash could end up in the hands of those who want to do the US troops harm. (Like buying bomb parts in Iran)

    Good plan President Bush. How do you sleep at night?

    Do I hate President Bush? No, I do get angry when I think about how he has led our country so poorly since he has been in office, but I don’t hate him. I just wish that he would go away and not be the President anymore, nor Vice-President Cheney.

  25. Rich from Paso
    February 16, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    Dave, let’s get one thing straight: I did not denegrate your putting the anti-war veterans on the show. I have no idea what they did, who they did it with and where they did while they were there so how could I of all people belittle that? I did say that you will use the handful of veterans (or however many it is) and us that to go “See? There you go. We should pull out now”, confirming what you already believe. I do want you to ask how much social contact they had with the Iraqis. That, more than anything else, normally determines a US soldiers opinion of the job in Iraq. Since I won’t be able to be on the air with them, I will call in and ask that question myself if need be. I’ll tell you that I did renew my call for to stop listening me or anyone else on Iraq and go see for yourself. You have the connections, the background, and the job that would allow you to get the inbed press credentials to go there and see for yourself. You chose to take the medias word about Vietnam and, to date, you have chosen to take the medias word on the events of Iraq. You have the opportunity to choose to see for yourself and tell your Hometown Radio audience first hand information, your thoughts and impressions about what is going on in the area you visit. Look, if you have asked and your wife or KVEC or something else is preventing you from doing this, say so and I will let it go. But until then, Dave, this is something I think you really need to do.

  26. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    So, Jerry can refer to her as “Tokyo Rose” & not get deleted….hmmm or MAYBE it was the “Santa Maria Bill” part….hmmmm

  27. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    Dave if you go to Iraq take a couple ACLU lawyers with you for protection

  28. JerryDinAZ
    February 16, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    RICH,
    NOT ONLY HAS DAVE BOUGHT INTO THE LIBERAL LEFT MEDIA BIAS OF THE WAR…HE IS A PART OF IT!

    YOU ONLY NEED TO WATCH THE VISITS THERE BY SEAN HANNITY, BILL ORIELLY AND HERALDO RIVERA. THEY TELL THE STORY OF THE TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS THERE FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOM AND SAFETY OF THE IRAQI WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

    THESE SCAM ARTISTS DAVE IS HAVING ON WERE HIRED THROUGH CODE PINK…NEED I SAY MORE?

    WE ARE NOT IN THE MINORITY…NOT BY A LONG SHOT! ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS WATCH THE GUTLESS COWARDS THAT HAVE THE MAJORITY OF BOTH HOUSES FLIP & FLOP ON THE WAR TO KNOW THAT ONLY THE EXTREME FAR “SORROS LEFT” IS DEAD SET AGAINST US WINNING THERE.

    DAVE AND HIS CRONIES ARE IN A VERY SMALL MINORITY. JUST WATCH THE REACTION HE GETS FROM THE ADVERTISERS WHEN HE PUTS ON THESE GUTLESS CLOWNS WEDNESDAY.

    DAVE WILL COME TO LEARN THE HARD WAY THAT MONEY DOES TRUMP!

    definition:
    TREASON (noun)
    1. A crime that undermines the offender’s government
    2. Disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
    3. An act of deliberate betrayal
    4. Wednesdays show

  29. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 12:06 am

    Why is it that patriotism is only measured in how viciously we support war? What about the patriotic activities of other citizens who serve their country and sacrifice on the “home front.” Doctors, nurses, firemen/women, cops, disaster volunteers, homeless shelter volunteers? This country would be bust without them, but it will never go bust without a war.

  30. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 12:22 am

    Maybe the great patriots can support this cause for the welfare of our citizens who cannot speak for themselves because of their disability and who need our protection on a daily basis:

    SIMPLE JUSTICE ISSUE ACTION YOU CAN TAKE FROM HOME

    For more info, or to ask questions, contact Joyce Heddleson (congregation member) at this address:

    mhupdate@charter.net

    The Homeless Mentally Ill Program is in grave jeopardy in Gov. Schwarzenegger’s budget!
    Subject: Action Needed on Proposed Homeless Cuts
    This comes as a request from the SLO Co. Mental Health Board

    Dear Friends of Persons with Mental Illness:

    PLEASE get out your “citizen hat”, a pen, envelope and stamp and send an old-fashioned letter.

    Last week the “SLO Co. Mental Health Update” asked you to read the article in “The Tribune” which provided an excellent overview of how the Homeless Outreach Program (HOP) serves many of our residents who have mental illness and are homeless.
    This week we are asking you to 1) write a letter to the governor and 2) ask/encourage at least two other persons to write a letter. (See some talking points below and address.)

    Date your letter

    Address to: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
    1st. Floor, State Capitol
    Sacramento, CA 95814

    Re: Department of Mental Health – Proposed Elimination of Homeless Mentally Ill Program
    Dear Gov. Schwarzenegger:
    Talking Points:

    • Strong opposition to the proposal in your January budget to eliminate funding for the
    Homeless Mentally Ill Program, also known as AB2034.
    • 4,800 persons with mental illness would immediately be homeless.
    • Successful program – 72% reduction in the number of days incarcerated;
    • A person being served by this program costs $12,000/year; it costs $41,000/year to keep a person in prison
    • At least 80 persons are being served in SLO Co. alone

    Please be sure to sign your name and your address.

    Thanks, Joyce R. Heddleson, Chair of Mental Health Board

  31. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 12:27 am

    OPPOSITION TO THE WAR GROWING

    February 15th, 2007 11:20 pm
    UCSB Students Strike in Protest of Iraq War

    Nearly 1,000 students shut down Highway 217 in two-hour standoff with police

    By Matt Cota / KSBY-6

    UCSB students go on strike to protest the war in Iraq. Nearly a thousand refused to work, shop or go to class. And late this afternoon, the protesters shut down a major South Coast highway.

    It started as a student strike — the simple act of not going to class to protest the war in Iraq. But after an hour of speeches at an Isla Vista rally, the crowd grew restless.

    The students — nearly a thousand strong — marched through campus and began walking on Highway 217, which is the main thoroughfare to the UCSB campus and to the Santa Barbara Airport. It was immediately shut down by the Highway Patrol. More than two dozen law enforcement officers, some dressed in riot gear, met the students on the highway. (More…)

    UCSB Students Strike in Opposition to the War

  32. Patty in Nipomo
    February 17, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Nancy Pelosi kicked Bush in the balls so hard today it was beautiful. If Mrs Pelosi keeps up this current pace ,Bush could be in prison by the end of the year.
    WAY TO GO NANCY!!!

  33. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 12:36 am

    Patty in Nipomo said…

    Nancy Pelosi kicked Bush in the balls so hard today it was beautiful. If Mrs Pelosi keeps up this current pace ,Bush could be in prison by the end of the year.
    ————————-

    And hopefully for life, at least for the sake of the hundreds of thousands killed all over the world, including our own.

  34. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Rep.Jack Murtha,a Vietnam hero with two Purple Hearts will end the Bush disaster in the coming weeks. Murtha has legislation ready that would effectively end Bush’s plans. “The votes are there”, said Murtha on Friday.
    Bush better stay out of the way if he wants finish his term.
    The people are finally being heard.

  35. JerryDinAZ
    February 17, 2007 at 2:07 am

    LOLOLOL
    NICE TRY! YOUR DEMOCRATS HAVE NO SOUL AND HAVE NOT USED THEIR MAJORITY TO DO ANYTHING!
    WE ARE AT WAR! CANADA IS THE NORTH UNLESS YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE TO DIVIDE!
    BUSH IS PRESIDENT, AND WILL STAY PRESIDENT UNTIL JANUARY OF 09…
    GET COMFY, CUZ YOU CUT-N-RUN CODE PINK SORROITES ARE POWERLESS!
    DOUBT ME? JUST WATCH.
    POST APOLOGIES HERE.

  36. Rich from Paso
    February 17, 2007 at 2:35 am

    Pelosi may have kicked Bush in the balls, but it was a “non-binding” kick in the balls, which is like it never happened, more style over substance. Status quo remains unchanged: money is flowing and the troops are still going. When the Democrats are ready to do something real, you know, like actually put the Iraq funding to a floor vote, then we will see who wants to be seen as desserting the troops. But the Democrats are so chickenshit that they do sneaky backdoor ricks like increasing the standards by which troops can deploy. The Democrats are the worst kind of chickenshit cowardly politicians possible.

    Pelosi may have kicked Bush in the balls, but it is the Democrats that are the ones that lack any testicles.

  37. pk
    February 17, 2007 at 3:21 am

    Bush’s only option now is to resign before the impeachment wheels begin to roll.

  38. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 3:31 am

    Call the DEA, PK is SOOO STONED.

  39. JerryDinAZ
    February 17, 2007 at 3:36 am

    WE ARE AT WAR IN IRAQ AND “WE” WILL INSURE A WIN AND YOUR SAFETY.
    THE REAL WAR HAOWVER IS THE CULTURE WAR WAGING IN AMERICA TODAY. YOU SECULAR PROGRESSIVES (SP’s) DON’T STAND A CHANCE…WHY? BECAUSE YOU AHVE NO SOUL!
    DOUBT ME? JUST WATCH!

    AS FOR PRESIDENT BUSH…YOU DEFEATOCRATS ARE DROOLING TO GET “OUR” GUY IMPEACHED BECAUSE YA CAN’T STAND YOUR GUY GOT HIS CLOCK CLEANED AND IMPEACHED!
    HISTORY WILL APPLUAD BUSH AND SNICKER AND SLICK WILLY! AND YOU HATE THAT AS MUCH AS YOU HATE BUSH!

    OH IT’S A GREAT DAY TO BE A REPUBLICAN! THIS NEXT 2 YEARS WILL BE SO FUN TO WATCH YOU LIBS SELF DESTRUCT!

  40. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 3:37 am

    santa maria bill = KING HARRIS

    Do any of you listen to the morning news???

    VOICE= highly secretive anonymous & devisive Santa Maria Bill…….

    no more mystery here……

  41. JerryDinAZ
    February 17, 2007 at 3:38 am

    BOB,
    PLEASE SEE MY RESPONSE TO YOU UNDER THE “$50 QUESTION” POST.

  42. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 3:49 am

    Dave,

    I found this article on the “Counterpunch” Website. It is very sobering. Marc Levy, Vietnam vet, has a raw perspective one does not normally talk about.

    Veterans’ Voices Trigger Response
    Turning Point

    My best friend was an Army Ranger with the First Cavalry Division. We likely crossed paths in Vietnam. I was an ordinary grunt. He was elite. These days he heads a construction company; way back he married a rock star, carried on in jet set circles, learned the music business, worked like a demon, played like the devil. Divorced, he entered into the time honored trade of drug smuggling. At first he grew the stuff in camouflaged fields, then mastered the art of hydroponics, the logistics of secret transport. My war pal, a fan of the film “Whose Afraid of Virginia Woolf,” set tiny speakers in a clandestine green house. His crew harvested pot to the clinking ice cubes in glasses held by tipsy Liz Taylor and soused George Segal. “You’re all crazy,” says George to Liz. ‘Clink–clink.’

    Some one ratted my buddy out, or the feds were hip, or he screwed up. I don’t know. He’s evasive on that. Busted big in Reagan time the Feds gave him twenty years. First day in Leavenworth, two inmates demanded his money. Said they were coming to his cell to fuck him up. But my pal was ready. With a lead pipe beat them to a pulp. He got two months in solitary. (Continue…)

  43. Al Neill
    February 17, 2007 at 4:43 am

    Dave —

    You mentioned several times that President Bush is the worst president in modern times. You look like you are probably years younger than I so perhaps modern times are more recent for you and you don’t remember President Johnson. I do. He’s the one who drafted me out of Cal Poly and sent me to Vietnam and then called a bombing halt on the North. That was no fun while it lasted.

    It was my good fortune that President Nixon was elected and resumed the bombing. That may not have been real popular with those in Canada and lounging around college campuses across the nation, but as a GI, I was glad to see someone trying to stop the flow of weapons from the North and destined to shorten my life.

    As with most things in life, they appear different depending on where you are standing. Your wartime experience may have been substantially different from mine. If you were in Canada, you may have loved President Johnson; if you were in Vietnam with me, I doubt that you did.

    A minor note: This is the first time I’ve checked your blog and did so after hearing you mention it several times recently. Sadly, I’m not impressed with most of your respondents and believe that you should delete more of the comments that are simply aimed at being insulting. Any child can do that. The “Hometown Radio” that you praise can certainly do better; I was expecting quality and am disappointed.

    Sincerely —

    Al

  44. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 5:38 am

    Al,

    There are many who see the advantages of war as they relate to their own experiences only.

    I lived in war for many years, as a civilian. I had no say as the bombs and bullets were flying around us, especially for those of us who were under age. We had nowhere to go and we were at the mercy of every faction and every country that financed every one of those factions. My experiences are similar to the experiences of millions of people around the world whose opinions are never valued in their abhorrence of violence that seems to serve the same psychopaths everywhere and every time. I think that should be the motivating factor to try and stop any war.

    I do not think we should minimize the efforts of the peace activists; were it not for them, this world would be a sorry state indeed. The challenge is to look at war and peace as they impact all the people involved in them, not just American soldiers.

    I was at a vigil the other day for the Iraq War soldiers and an older gentleman driving by shouted “WHAT ABOUT D-DAY?” Unfortunately, he is typical of many older veterans who support this war and who feel left out.

    Firstly, that gentleman neglected to remember that D-Day is commemorated every year among the nations that took part it.

    Secondly, he completely sidestepped the plight of the current soldiers in Iraq. Ultimately, it was all about how HE felt and not the whole picture. But that is part of reliving the trauma, where the survivors are reminded of their own suffering and current struggles every time another war erupts in the world.

    The experience, no matter how hated, is an awesome one and raises the level of awareness of the people going through it and they gain more meaning in their lives from having participated in it. It sets them apart from others whom they perceive as unworthy because they never got to experience the earth shattering events they did. Isn’t it funny how the other “heroes” of society (the people who help the poor and who donate freely for the freedom of others at great personal hardship, like the ACLU lawyers) are relegated to a “treasonous” position or ridiculed?

    The question I always ask, why should violence be the defining act that gives us worth in life? Is physical courage more important than moral courage? What about the people who spend years in prison because they CHOOSE to hold on to their beliefs? Are they cowards?

    Most people in the world ARE afraid of dying violent deaths. One would have to be twisted to seek that kind of a profession for the thrill of it. There is something noble about not wanting to die and not wanting to kill others. Isn’t that what all religions teach us, that ALL life is sacred? Did you know that many soldiers choose to remain in the military in this illegal war because of the pressure they feel to conform? It has nothing to do with what they think is right or moral. It is all about fitting in with many of them. But that is human nature too and those who push for wars realize that. That is why most recruits are young; they are easily brainwashed and enamored with the thrill of the whole military culture. I can see it in my son’s friends who have gone through training and whose views have changed in a matter of weeks. The military coerces people through conformity, the “band of brothers” idea that people who kill and die together have to protect that bond.

    Are those the ideals we want our children to bond with each other around?

    Veterans sometimes have a love-hate relationship with their past. Not just veterans, though. Those of us who did go through war, whether military or civilian, and I mean REAL war; not the kind of deployment where you watch as thing happen to others on television or in a briefing report, but the blood and guts, and the smells of it all, the screams of the women and children and the sobbing of the men, tough men. Most people I know who have been there really do not wish that fate even on their worst enemy, for as people lie bleeding to death and dismembered with their guts hanging out and as they are lying there with the sniper’s bullets picking at them once piece at a time, I do not think that they really give a damn about why the war continues and who benefits from it. The point is, there are no winners in wars, only losers and they are usually you and I, not those who give the orders.

  45. Dave Congalton
    February 17, 2007 at 5:54 am

    Shout out to Al Neill —

    Al, thanks for at least checking out the blog. sorry that we’re too juvenile for you. If you want something more somber, check out the Tribune blog. They don’t have any fun over there.

    But on a serious note, do you really want to compare LBJ to W? I grant you that LBJ was terrible in terms of foreign policy, but he gave us the Great Society, including Medicare, Medicaid, OEO Health Services, plus the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    In contrast, what has W. done domestically? Cutting taxes during a war? No Child Left Behind? Tampering with Social Security? The Patriot Act and domestic surveillance? suspension of civil liberties?

    Sorry, Al, there’s no contest. George W. Bush is our worst president since Hoover.

    Good luck wherever you end up blogging.

  46. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 6:00 am

    Yep Al…that’s typical Dave these days…His agenda is HIS AGENDA….

  47. JerryDinAZ
    February 17, 2007 at 6:30 am

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST AL. IT MADE REAL SENSE…BUT AS YOU SEE LOGIC, SENSE AND REALITY DON’T LIVE HERE. JUST THE HATE OF THE EXTREME LEFT AND TERRORIST PLANTS.

    COME BACK OFTER 2008. THEY MAY WISE UP BY THEN.

    THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY! GOD BLESS YOU AND THANK GOD THAT YOU ARE STILL ALIVE TO BRING A WHISPER OF TRUTH HERE.

    BE WELL.

  48. Dave Congalton
    February 17, 2007 at 7:08 am

    Yeah, Anonymous, you’ve got me pegged. It’s all about MY agenda.

    But at least I’m willing to put my name to my opinion.

    And all you can do is attack without analyzing.

    Ho-Hum.

  49. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    Very sad that we finally get a new blogger and the blog master busts him in his chops because he has a conservative opinion.
    The regular 6-9 bloggers get boring after awhile. Why scare off new bloggers just because they don’t agree with you Dave?

    We need new blood here, and that will never happen if you keep attacking new bloggers, or, do you just want your extreme lefty friends to be here? Sad if you do. Boring and sad, yet so typical of the left.

    Given how new bloggers are attacked it’s no wonder most of the posts are anonymous. I know I don’t want the lot of you cut-n-run cowards jumping down my throat.

    Please come back Al!

  50. Marilyn
    February 17, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    Anonymous,

    The new blood that is needed on this blog has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. What are needed are compassionate people who do not insult others on a personal level and who do not waste time bullying. I was on this blog for a month last year and left it because of the sexist and racist barrage of insults. I finally made the decision that I have as much right as anyone to be here and after Dave said he was to clean it up a bit.

    The fact that I am a vocal woman who was born in the Middle East and raised a Muslim and have a different take on the events than the war supporters should not excuse the racists to attack. There is a difference between disagreement and hate. I see a lot of hate. There are many “cold” threats leveled on this board (look it up if you don’t know what it means).

    This is my town and my home and has been for 20 years. I work hard and pay taxes. Here is where I vote. If people want to change things for the better, they have to participate. I would just hate for ANYONE to be alienated because some ignorant racist calls them TOKYO ROSE or some angry patriot who is mad at the world asks them to leave and go back to Lebanon every time they opened their mouth. There is a lot of that going around, but the people who dish it out, and the people who support and encourage them, cannot seem to take it and they start complaining when they are called on it.

    Al has a point. This blog is childish, but it is childish because of the people on it. I guess Dave could clean it up further, but maybe he is doing it on purpose to show people how childish they can be. I have made a decision to ignore the childish points and I have not responded in a while. I don’t even read most of them any more, but I would be damned if I am going to let anyone prevent me from saying what I WANT to say because I do not fit in their world view or because I am “afraid” or put off by the insults. Trust me, I have been around bigger and tougher people than the guys behind their computer screens.

    And yes, I do not care if people know who I am despite the “googling” that went on to try to “expose” me, expose what, I don’t know. But, maybe if more people were transparent and showed their true identities, none of that drivel would be taking place. The threats against me, Bob, Rob, Brett, and now Dave are very apparent. The constant jabbing is really creepy and is a sign of a personality dysfunction. We have to stay focused on the issues, not the posters. Poking fun at politicians and the events are part of process of understanding what is going on. That is very different from poking fun and insulting posters to try and SHUT THEM UP or MAKE THEM FEEL BAD. No comparison.

    People who are secure in their beliefs and themselves do not have to remain anonymous while, at the same time, being offensive to those who aren’t. People who insult others and complain about it are hypocrites.

  51. Jerrydogma
    February 17, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    “THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST AL. IT MADE REAL SENSE…BUT AS YOU SEE LOGIC, SENSE AND REALITY DON’T LIVE HERE.”

    Hmmm, quite ironic coming from Jerry now isn’t it.

  52. Anonymous
    February 18, 2007 at 12:42 am

    Marilyn..get your skirt out of it’s twist! We ALL take the heat…

    YOU are as bad as anyone else on this blog with your whining & ranting…so look in the mirror madam!

    And calling you Tokoyo Rose is NOT a racist comment….perhaps you’d like to look up the history of Tokoyo Rose and her part in demoralizing the American Troops during World War II….

    Would you rather be called Jane Fonda? Same thing!!

    This talk & behavior from the left only emboldens the enemy & endangers our Troops!!

    You & Dave whine about the anonymous posts….but what does it matter what the NAME of someone is….if all you are interested in is various opinions? There are various reasons why folks post anonymously…and afterall….aren’t you just interested in hearing all opinions?? I don’t hear you complaining to Dave about the fact that Santa Maria Bill uses a fake name. I suppose that’s because you agree with Santa Maria Bill…so knowing his name is not important to you.

    Bottom line…if someone agrees with YOU…then no holds barred….but if they don’t agree with your stance…then you complain. Get over it….just state your opinion & don’t take others comments personally. We won’t either.

  53. Rich from Paso
    February 19, 2007 at 12:16 am

    God, Dave, you are so full of crap! LBJ personally ruined our chances to win the Vietnam War with all of his meddling in the bombing target selection et al. His “Great Society” now absorbs fully 4/7ths of the budget every year, has resulted in $9 trillion to be spent, and on what? We still have exactly the same amount of poverty and people without mdical insurance as we did before he started. The Civil Rights Act was a Kennedy-legacy that was passed because of overwhelming Republican support. LBJ exiled Eartha Kitt from the US for making his wife cry, which hadn’t happened since the Civil War. LBJ used the “Gulf of Tonkin incident” to get the US ass-deep into the Vietnam War. Bad intelligence, lying to Congress, misleading America into war…you’d think I was a liberal talking about Bush, but that is exactly what Johnson did to get us into Vietnam.

    As for Bush, let’s go down your list of greivances:

    Cutting Taxes during war: We have the Dow Jones in record territory and staying there plus oodles and oodles of tax revenues pouring into the treasury because of the Bush tax cuts. If you were in charge of taxation, I’m sure that you’d raise taxes for your bogus “shared sacrifice” nonsense and it would plung our economy into a deep recession.

    No Child Left behind: Accountability for teachers, standards for graduation, yeah those things are all bad… if you happen to be a teacher’s union.

    The Patriot Act: If you had actually read the document, it is mostly just a comma change here, a happy/glad change there. What is different is only the stuff that is well known. Library records: terrorists were communicating via taxpayer provided computers. Roving Wire-taps: Law enforcement wanted the ability to tap the terrorists phones regardless of whatever phone the terrorist was on…just like they use when they bust mobsters.

    Tampering with Social Security: Bush proposes to allow you, me and everyone else with a job the option to put TWO FREAKING PER CENT of our Social Security witholdings into privately managed accounts. That 2% is worth your demagoguery on ths subject? I don’t think so. All you third-rail social security demagogs will ensure that Social Security will absorb half of future budgets and will require draconian tax increases just to pay for all of you selfish short-sightd baby boomer retirements.

    Domestic survailance and suspension of civil rights: Who’s civil rights? The rights of terrorists? I can live with that. Demostic survailance? Show me ONE, just one person that can actually say that they were spied upon. You can’t, no one can. Some shithead in Detroit sues on his feelings of paranoia and finds a Clinton-appointee to give judical credence to that paranoia. But beyond all that, the biggest issue is that these were international calls originating outside the United States from known terrorists to parties inside the United States. But because the Atheists and Criminals Lawyer Union lawyers were araid that the government might hear about them talk about smearing themselves with honey and dog manure and masterbating during Iron Chef America, they fight against the program, which once again has harmed NO ONE.

    LBJ was a far worse president in his one term than Bush has been in his two.

    Look, I’ll make you this deal: I will agree that the Iraq War has been lost if these two conditions are met: 1) the US casualties in Iraq meet or surpass the number of Americans killed on our highways in a three month time span and 2) an organized insurgent battalion defeats a US battalion (regardless of type) in a head to head confrontation. I know for fact that there is NO WAY your closed mind will ever even CONSIDER the possiblilty that you have been wrong on this war and come around to support it, Dave. Your closed mindedness about this war is truely sad.

  54. Rich from Paso
    February 19, 2007 at 4:00 am

    Okay, let’s put our cards on the table.

    My list of the Presidents of the last 100 years from first to worst:

    1. FDR: Hey, even I have to admit that the guy did get us out of the Great Depression (with a war), did fix the problem of our elderly dying abandoned on the streets with the Social Security program and did lead us during WWII for all but a few months. Elected to four terms; got to be doing something right.

    2. Ronald Reagan: Rebuilt American prestidge with his optimism and hope and vision. Restored the American economy after it suffered under the abyssmal Carter Administration with his tax cuts. The Reagan tax cuts lead to 88 consecutive months of economic expansion. What was lacking was his budget cuts the Democrat controlled congress refused to pass. Miltary build-up and posturing forced the decline and eventual collapse of the Soviet Union. Liberals may have been worried with his confrontation of the “Evil Empire” but there were never in better hands.

    3. Harry Truman: Man had the balls to nuke Japan to keep another 30 million people from dying (American and Japanese), defended S. Korea from the Communists, integrated the military, rebuilt Europe, fired MacArthur. I say all of this despite the fact that he is from Missouri and I find little redeaming in Missouri outside KC and St Louis.

    4. Teddy Roosevelt: Busted trusts bringing parameters and acceptable behaivor to buisness, started the National Park System, sailed the Navy around the world, stated building the Panama Canal, started the FDA.

    5. JFK: Again, credit where credit is due. Kennedy started the mission to the moon, proposed cutting taxes from 70% to 40% (LBJ passed them ), started the civil rights movement, made the Russians blink over Cuba and he bagged Marilyn Monroe. Not bad.

    6. Dwight D. Eisenhower: Interstate Highway system, started the space race, built on the racial progress under Truman, continued to fight Communism.

    7. Woodrow Wilson: Led America during WWI but got his ass handed to him by isolationist Republicans over the League of Nations.

    8. George W. Bush: Face it, guys: Dow over 12,000 and staying there because of his tax cuts, his leadership after 9-11, kicked al Qaida and the Taliban’s ass in Afghanistan, No Child Left Behind, the prescription drug plan (both have a ton of supporters)> The Iraq War is a serious drag on what is otherwise a succesful presidency. This will change for the negative if the Democrats talk this nation into quiting in defeat (screw you guys, this is my list; don’t like it, make your own)

    9. Gerald Ford: Restored Presidential prestidge after Nixon and Watergate. Showed courage in pardoning Nixon. A class act.

    10. W. H. Taft: Trust buster that kept the real “Progressive” movement going after Teddy Roosevelt. Didn’t get impeached for lying under oath.

    11. Bill Clinton: Impeached for lying under oath. To his credit, kept the Reagan expansion going after the Bush 41 mini-ressession, signed Newt’s welfare reform into law.

    12. George H.W. Bush: With nothing going on domestically, Bush 41 squandered a 92% approval rating to lose to Bill Clinton of all people. Biggest sin? Broke his “no new taxes pledge”.

    13. Richard Nixon: You can talk about how bad Nixon was just by mentioning his wage and price controls, the oil embargoes and failures in Vietnam before you ever get to Watergate. But once you get to Watergate, you have to talk about the only president ever to resign from office and that is all you need to be #6. Foreign policy? Big damn deal when you quit office because you got caught

    14. Calvin Coolidge: “Silent Cal” stood by and watched America slide deeper and deeper into the Great Depression.

    15. Jimmy Carter: Let our citizens languish in the US embassy in Tehran for 444 days only the lamest attempts at gaining their freedom. Presided over “Stagflation” and long gas lines across the country. Gave away the Panama Canal. Props for the Israel-Egypt peace accord… that costs the US $3 billion annuially to keep.

    16. Herbert Hoover: Worsened the effects of the Depression with his approval of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff bill.

    17. LBJ: Gulf of Tonkin resolution got us in Vietnam deeper, then he hamstrings the military by personally approving tagets for bombing, the stops the bombing. His “Great Society” has cost the US tax payer $9 trillion, destroyed the nuclear family of black Americans, led to the “entitlement” mentality that helped make Katrina worse and did NOTHING to stop, slow or even affect poverty… except to make our poor the richest in the world. Only gets partial credit for the Civil Rights Act because it was Kennedy’s idea and he needed Republicans to help him pass it over the objections of the MAJORITY Democrats in Congress.

    18. Last and least– Warren Harding: Dismantled our military folowing WWI. Several corruption scandals rose to his office. Theories have Harding assassinated instead of just dying in office for all of the womanizing he did.

    There’s my list. Feel free to comment or make your own.

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