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The 64 Dollar Question

Alan Thomas was on Hometown Radio last Friday, talking about Measure J and reminding us that although the Dalidio Ranch measure passed overwhelmingly in the county, the city of San Luis Obispo approved it by a mere 64 votes, 7804 to 7740.

I like and respect Alan. He’s a fair and decent guy who just happens to be opposed to the project, but he focuses on the issues and doesn’t throw mud, nor tolerate those who do. He spent Friday discussing what happens now with the controversial shopping project and why he hopes Ernie Dalidio will go back to the city and ask them to annex the property. He also thinks that three of the county supervisors (Ovitt, Lenthall and Katcho) may have violated the Brown Act by conspiring to send out pro Measure J letters just prior to the November election.

Alan is opposed to any kind of further legal challenge on J. He believes the voters have spoken, but he remains hopeful that Dalidio and Vic Montgomery will move forward with the project, but also allow for a further Environmental Impact Report and rethink their notion of Fair Share Costs. Alan wants the project to be consistent with the General Plan.

Who knows what Ernie will do? The 64 vote margin should not be a factor. A win is a win is a win. It’s fair to say that the people of SLO are evenly divided on this project, but Ernie Dalidio is in the driver’s seat at the moment. Let’s see where he goes.

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  1. JerryDinAZ
    December 11, 2006 at 2:03 pm

    IF THE SMALL (AND GETTING SMALLER) CONURBATION OF SLO WANTS TO CONTROL IT’S DESTINY THEY SHOULD ALL COLLECTIVELY GO SEE THE MOVIE “THE VILLAGE” AND MAKE THE CHANGES NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT FOR THE CITY!

    IN THE MEAN TIME…ENVIRONMENT SCHMIREMENT! THESE FOLKS COULDN’T GIVE ONE HOOT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT! THEY WANT TO STOP ALL GROWTH OF ANY KIND PERIOD!

    THE COLLECTIVE RESIDENTS OF SLO COUNTY SEE IT DIFFERENT! SO WHAT’S THE SOLUTION?

    PAY WHAT THE LAND IS WORTH AND THEN RETIRE IT TO WHAT YOU CHOOSE FOR IT…

    OTHERWISE GO SMOKE SOME MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND WATCH SOME GILLIGAN ISLAND RE-RUNS AND LET THE POWERS TO BE GET ON WITH THE WILL OF THE VOTERS!

    YOU TOOK IT TO THE BALLOT AND LOST BADLY! REAL BADLY! ARE YOU THAT MUCH IN DENIAL THAT THE VOTERS THINK YOU ARE WAY OUT OF TOUCH?

    SO ONWARD YOU GIANTS OF VISION! (ALEX MADONNA, ERNIE DALIDIO, ETC) AND BUILD IT! THEY WILL COME!

  2. Guy Murray
    December 11, 2006 at 5:40 pm

    Dave,

    I disagree with you about Alan Thomas throwing mud. That is exactly what he did, at least toward Katcho, with his ludicrous allegations of Brown Act violations and/or colluding to vote a certain way on a specific issue in the future.

    I just reviewed the letter Katcho sent out. There is nothing in that letter to suggest that he got together with the other two supervisors Thomas mentioned.

    The letter makes it clear Katcho is responding to concerns in the Nipomo area that passage of measure J would possibly take funding away from Nipomo area road projects. That was a rumor started by anti J activists in the Nipomo community and was unfortunately perpetuated by our very own NCSD, which you can read about here.

    Anyway, Katcho’s letter was in response to that, and nothing at all related to what Thomas was talking about on your show. I found it extremely distasteful and disturbing that Thomas was allowed to imply, without any apparent credible evidence that three supervisors had violated the Brown Act, and also colluded to vote the same on an upcoming issue.

    I haven’t read the other two letters; but, it is clear from Katcho’s letter that Thomas’ theory is nonsense. Thomas certainly owes Katcho an apology.

    I would also observe that if a guy like Thomas wants to smear a hard working and honest public servant like Katcho, the very least Thomas could do is take the time necessary to learn how pronounce his name correctly.

    As for the remainder of your post here, I agree the election is over. Measure J won with overwhelming county support. It’s time to move on.

    Regards,

    Guy Murray
    Nipomo News

  3. Brett
    December 11, 2006 at 10:24 pm

    I think the issue of Katcho, Ovitt, and Lenthall all sending out letters supporting Measure J is that a County Supervisors they should have opposed the “end run” around a planning process that they are elected to uphold.

    That’s the issue for me.

    What you really see is their “private property rights” philosophy in action. These guys don’t care one bit about planning because their philosophy on development is to let the property owners do what they want.

    I’m wondering if you really pressed them on the issue you’d come away with notion that they don’t believe in zoning at all.

  4. Dave Congalton
    December 12, 2006 at 6:39 am

    I’ve removed a few posts few, consistent with my promise to be more of a “blog cop.”

    I know that these blog postings tend to spin off in all sorts of different directions and that’s fine, but I need to insist that at least the first few try to touch on the issue that I have raised initially.

    So if I’m talking about Dalidio and Measure J, I don’t want to get into racism, etc. Not appropriate here.

    Thanks!

  5. JerryDinAZ
    December 12, 2006 at 1:58 pm

    THE COUNTY OF SLO HAS BEEN BROKE FOR YEARS…EVER SINCE THE FIRST EL NINO RUINED HUNDREDS OF MILES OF COUNTY ROADS!
    SINCE THE CHANGES IN PROPERTY TAX REDISTRIBUTION AND THE HUGE CHUNK OF CHANGE THAT THE STATE TOOK AWAY A DECADE AGO (AND PROMISED TO RETURN AND HASN’T) THE COUNTY MUST…I REPEAT MUST LOOK FOR AND DEVELOP NEW SOURCES OF REVENUE. THOSE THREE SUPERVISORS WERE BEING HEADS UP RESPONSIBLE AND DID THEY JOBS THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO REGARDLESS IF YOU DON’T WANT THE PROJECT.
    IT’S A FLIPPIN TARGET STORE! GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!
    THE VOTERS SPOKE…THE MAJORITY OF THEIR ELECTED COUNTY SUPERVISORS AGREED WITH THEM AND SUPPORTED THE PROJECT! YOU’D THINK YOU’D ALL LEARN BY NOW! THIS IS AN EXACT REPEAT OF THE ALEX MADONNA (GOD REST HIS SOUL) AND HOME DEPOT PROJECT!
    IT’S JUST HOW THINGS ARE DONE IN SLO CITY…THE COUNTY HAS IT’S ACT TOGETHER.
    LEARN FROM THEM!

  6. The New Tone of San Luis Obispo
    December 13, 2006 at 5:29 am

    This blog has struggled. I have tried to bring up relevant issues within the blog. Dave seems only willing to put up puff pieces for the liberals, and very critical of the conservatives. How many times has he discussed why in the the world WIlliam Jefferson, Democrat La. is being considered for the powerful house way and means committee by the Nancy Pelosi. How about commentary of the pathetic job Barbara Boxer is doing since that very praising article that was (paid?) in the tribune recently. Thoughtful article dave? May as well been a paid advertisement.

    What about these so called cleaner lawn mowers we are getting here in CA?

    I think I am getting weary of this blog which for me is like talking to myself, and I am getting weary of the whole Dave Congleton Show. I am just going to listen to my nice Z-93 from now on and forget all about Samta Maria Bill, Michelle, and Donna Legg with her pink thankfully.

  7. JerryDinAZ
    December 13, 2006 at 2:40 pm

    DEAR NEW TONE…
    YOU MAYBE ALONE IN YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE BLOG AND DAVE’S SHOW.
    AS OF NOW DAVE’S SHOWS AVAILABLE ADVERTISING FOR THE HOLIDAYS IN 2007 IS 100% SOLD OUT!
    I FOR ONE KNOW THAT MORE READ THIS BLOG AND LISTEN TO THE SHOW THAN ONE MIGHT THINK. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THE MINDS OF THE POSTERS IN THIS BLOG BUT I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT MY OPINIONS ARE APPRECIATED BY MANY WHO CHOSE TO STAY SILENT.
    AS FOR ME…I WILL BLOG ON!

  8. Rich from Paso
    December 13, 2006 at 5:45 pm

    The opposition to Measure J is symptomatic of why California is such an expensive state to live in. Selfish Californians spend so much of their time fighting the market forces of supply and demand. I remember back in 2000 when the SOAR measures were all the rage across SLO county. That stiffled new housing being built in the area which resulted in higher housing costs as people from LA sold their million dollar cracker boxes to buy homes here in SLO county. The same thing is happening in Atascadero and SLO as special interests fight “big box stores” and the Dalidio project. If you keep competition out, prices will go up and people will shop elsewhere, like in Paso or Santa Maria/AG. Small business owners like Bob are scared to death of the competition that the very presence of Wal-Mart brings, even though guys like Bob are niche businesses that do not cross Wal-Mart’s marketing plans at all. SLO county residents and their elected officials need to come forward into the 21st Century and embrace the marketplace as the true force behind supply and demand. Fighting that to “keep the small town feel” of SLO will just suppress wages and suppress the tax base, which will result in higher taxes for basic services and cause people to leave the area. As it stands right now, there are very few skilled labor jobs in this area as it is. Proper zoning laws will do more to keep the “small town feel” than anything else. That said, Ernie Dalidio does have the right to develop his land. Personal protperty rights still mean something. Have yourselves a Merry little Christmas, okay?

  9. Anonymous
    December 13, 2006 at 8:51 pm

    Rich,

    California is expensive because it a nice place to live. The weather, the coast, and the laid back lifestyle. Keeping it that way is what a lot of people want (probably the majority, but that’s hard to say without generalizing the opposition).

    People sold their LALA mini-mansions and moved to a better way of life in SLO county. If they wanted to have big box stores and lots of traffic, they wouldn’t have sold and moved here.

    Bringing in low paying jobs will not solve any problems that you mention either – housing costs won’t magically go down because people can’t afford to live in them on lower wages.

    If you had bothered to watch the PBS Frontline show last night about Wal-Mart you would have learned that they are NOT the lowest prices in town – they only lead with the lowest price but actually charge more than most for normal items. They only trade on their slogan of low-prices without actually delivering, and everyone buys into their message without doing any research (check Consumer Reports for their expose on WM prices).

    That small town feel is exactly how E.G. Lewis zoned the town. Big box stores do not fit into that plan – it sounds like you wish to re-zone, i.e. change the current zoning to allow in a Super Wal-Mart. This is not what the was previously agreed to with the current zoning.

    Bringing in a low paying company (WM) will lower the wages in the county, not raise them.

    Overcrowding (second units, rezoning , condo conversion) are part of the real cause of the problem as they cause more strain on services without providing a return to the City.

    I fully agree with you that there’s a shortage of skilled jobs, but you propose no solution to this issue. Again, WM will not provide any help for that issue.

    City tax revenue was certainly suppressed by the voters (Proposition 13), and instead of the City cutting back on expenses to match this lower revenue stream they decided to try destroy the City by homogenizing the area to look exactly like Thousand Oaks and Orange County.

    Personal property rights certainly grant Mr. Dalidio rights to develop his land, but only within the law and zoning rules currently laid out, or am I permitted to change my property into a nuclear waste site and solicit burial of waste material on my property for lotsa $$$$?

  10. Alan Thomas
    December 13, 2006 at 9:37 pm

    For the record, when I was on the show on December 8, I made it absolutely clear that “I was not accusing anyone of anything” (exact quote from the podcast) regarding the 3 letters sent out by County Supervisors Lenthall, Ovitt and Achadjian.

    I also stated several times that “I just want an answer” on how three letters could go out on the same day, two of them identical, all addressing the same basic point about future road funding, without some type of coordination.

    I also said clearly that “this is a potential violation of the Brown Act that someone needs to look into”. (again, exact words) Many people I know have said the same thing based on the perception created by the timing and content of the mailings.

    I take exception to Guy Murray’s comments above, since he mistated what I had said, and also acknowledged that he hasn’t even seen all three letters. I also pointed out on the show Katcho wrote his own letter and sent it on his own stationary. (I do apologize if I mis-pronounced his name)

    My main point is that we should have an open and public process as the Dalidio Ranch project moves forward, not one where private arrangements and agreements are being made between the developers, the city and the county, especially if annexation by the city of SLO becomes part of the discussion.

    Finally, for the record, I have never been paid by anyone to speak about these issues. I simply believe that on a matter this importance involving the future of our county, every citizen should be informed and involved.

  11. Rich from Paso
    December 13, 2006 at 10:17 pm

    No, I am don’t think you should put a nuclear waste dump on your property because that runs totally against “the common good” use of your land. But, Ernie Dalidio being denied the abiltiy to convert a vacant plot of land to parks and businesses that will increase the value of his land and the land values of his neighbors as well as increase the tax base for SLO county and city is put of the common good. Don’t confuse that with Keloe vs New Haven, CN because those ass-clowns were stealing people’s land to develop and increase the tax base. Dalidio wants to do that to his personal property.

    No, Wal-Mart in particular will not increase wages, but when you have a climate that is generally hostile to new businesses, investors and businesses stay out. What if Ernie Dalidio wanted to build a factory of some kind on his property that would create 5,000 new jobs. Would you be in favor or against the use of his land for that? The reason why I didn’t offer any solutions is because the mindset of SLO county and it’s elected officials is generally against any new, big investment source, be it Wal-Mart or anyone else. When SLO joins the 21st century, that may change.

    SLO county is not solely expensive because it is such a nice plae to live. That is folly. There are plenty of nice places to live that are not inherently as expensive as SLO county. The 2000 SOAR initiatives kept the housing supply artificially low, whether they passed or not, which causes their value to go up as the LALA transplants move up here and buy anything with a foundation. If they don’t build in SLO county, where are your lower wage earning employees going to live. Don’t blame Wal-Mart for not paying enough because that is systemic across every job catagory in this part of the state. But beyone that, nothing about SLO makes me think that it should be this expensive. Why is gas 20 cents cheaper in the central valley than SLO? Why is milk $1.50 more expensive at Albertson’s than in the central valley? Why are houses in Paso $250K cheaper and bigger than in SLO? If anyone can explain why there is such a difference between north and south county’s, I’m all ears. I think there should be a one year live in your house law before you can sell unless you are foreclosed on. This would end the practice of house flipping.

  12. Anonymous
    December 13, 2006 at 11:36 pm

    Thanks for the “intelligent” responses, Rich,

    I’m so glad you don’t use caps and prefer to debate the subject(s) rather than just use hyperbole.

    I’m not sure I agree with the “common good” usage that you cite though. I don’t see how having Ernie change his land from Ag to Commercial increases his neighbors property values. I myself would prefer to live next door to farm land rather than commercial, but that’s just my choice. At some point changes will hurt someone. My nuke dumping grounds would certainly have to pay taxes of some form, so wouldn’t that outweigh any negatives?

    I don’t think there’s a hostility to businesses and investors, provided they play by the rules and work with what is already planned for them. WM wants to change a neighborhood, which is what I’m opposed to. There’s certainly enough commercial land in the area ripe for development, it’s just that they want a bigger piece than is available. It’s like playing Monopoly and wanting to build houses and hotels on all the railroads. They should have read the rules before purchasing the land.

    Back to Ernie – if your hypothetical 5K factory jobs were an environmentally friendly place I don’t think I’d be too harsh on that request. Ernie has my blessing on his current changes, but I was fully against the way he HAD to go about it. Also, his $4M offer for the overpass is a bit on the low side IMHO.

    I’m still lost on how WM would be a plus to the job base and City folk though (rather than the City Government). They’d lower the average wages in the area and also lower the quality of life for the residents who had to put up with the extra traffic and noise/pollution.

    I certainly don’t see a shortage of housing though. Affordable housing yes, houses, no. Unfortunately there’s been a rash of construction without an underlying foundation of good jobs to afford them. Now these houses are turning into retirement/speculative homes for the rich. Let’s try and encourage better industries to the county, that’d be a good investment for the people.

    When Bush claims he’s created 1M new jobs, remember the lady that cried out to him “Yes you did! I have 3 of them!” Please don’t exchange quantity with quality.

    I think that costs in this part of the state are higher simply due to the fact that the rents are higher. There’s more to do here (the coast, the arts, vineyards, etc.) than in the central valley, so these attractions increase the desirability of the area. Likewise, transportation costs to/from the depots are further here. The 5 is the backbone of California these days, and not the 101/El Camino.

    P.S. I like your idea about house flipping. Likewise, speculative building should be discouraged too. The number of “For Sale” signs in Atascadero is staggering, but they’re all for $500K+ houses. That means an income of at least $120K/year to afford them. There’s no jobs (except the City Manager’s) that pay over $100K here.

  13. Guy Murray
    December 14, 2006 at 5:48 am

    Alan Thomas wrote:

    I also said clearly that “this is a potential violation of the Brown Act that someone needs to look into”. (again, exact words) Many people I know have said the same thing based on the perception created by the timing and content of the mailings.

    Alan, that is an accusation. End of story. You are accusing Katcho and the other two supervisors of possible violations of the Brown Act. And, you have absolutely no evidence other than three letters that appear to have been mailed out on or about the same date. I have already clearly explained the reason for Katcho’s letter. You can read that letter here. .

    I did not misstate your comments. You made essentially the same ones here on the blog. I find your accusation, (quoted above) that Katcho and the others colluded to violate the Brown Act nothing short of preposterous! That is a serious accusation. You have no credible evidence to support such an allegation. And, I have called you on it. You may not like it–but, it is what it is.

    You also claimed on Dave’s show that you had contacted Katcho’s office and they never responded to you. Now, I don’t know the time frame that you contacted his office, in relation to your appearance on
    Dave’s show. I can tell you from years of personal experience in working with Katcho and his office that they are very responsive to all inquiries.

    So, if you are claiming that an hour before Dave’s show you contacted Katcho’s office and didn’t hear back before you took to the airwaves with your ridiculous claims of Brown Act violations–well that’s possible.

    But, if you are saying that to this day Katcho’s office has never contacted you in response to an inquiry you made: I will tell you flat out that I don’t believe you. Perhaps you can update us on the specifics on when exactly you contacted Katcho’s office, including date, time, and manner of contact. I’d be very curious to hear about that.

    In short, Mr. Thomas, I think the county citizens were informed when they cast their ballots to have Measure J go forward. Dave, and other callers were correct in their assessment that Mr. Dalidio’s position won in the election. They don’t need to consult you or any of the anti-J zealots. They only need to comply with the laws, ordinances and regulations that will now govern his project. I wish him all the best.

    Regards,

    Guy Murray
    Nipomo News

  14. Rich from Paso
    December 14, 2006 at 6:09 am

    Anon: Why the quotes around intellegent when everything else you said was complementary? Makes me think you are less than sincere (you probably are, I believe) Just a question.

    You bring up a good point on transprotation conduits. I have advocated and even went so far as to write Capps and Thomas that 46 need to widened to four lanes all the way to the 5 to create a tranportation corridor from the central valley I-5 artery to 101. I think this would actually lower transportation costs and save dozens of lives every year.

  15. Anonymous
    December 14, 2006 at 7:43 am

    Rich,

    My quoting around “intelligent” was completely meant as a compliment. I was implying that others didn’t attempt such and was thanking you for the engaging conversation.

    SLO County is a discovered place. I work in LA and SF most of the time, but make the Central Coast my home. Most of the rest of the state doesn’t know about it, and is a last haven refuge from the “homogonization” of the states. It doesn’t know what it’s got, and it’s a shame when it wants to be like the others, but rarely sees what those others have become.

  16. JerryDinAZ
    December 14, 2006 at 2:54 pm

    WELL LET’S LOOK AT THE FACTS, SHALL WE?

    1) THE HIGH COST OF HOUSING AND LOW LOCAL WAGES HAVE CREATED A TREND THAT THOSE WHO BUY HOMES ARE EITHER WEALTHY OUT OF AREA FOLKS OR RICH CAL-POLY PARENTS. (CAL-POLY STUDENTS COME FROM THE UPPER 10% INCOME EARNING PARENTS IN CALIFORNIA)

    2) WITH THE SLO POPULATION AT ONLY 6% RETIREES THEY HAVE BECOME LESS OF A CONCERN, (EXCEPT FOR THE ALLEN SETTLES OF THE AREA THAT GET PAID BY YOUR TAXES AND THEN BUY 6-9 HOMES AND THEN VOTE FOR NO GROWTH SO THEY CAN RETIRE ON THE HIGH RENTS AT AROUND $20,000 A MONTH!)

    3) YOU LIVE IN AN ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED AREA WHERE OVER THE LAST DECADE ALMOST ALL OF THE DECENT PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANIES AND THEIR JOBS HAVE LEFT THE AREA

    4) YOU LIVE 8 MILES (CROW FLY) FROM A CONTROVERSIAL NUCLEAR POWER PLANT WITH A MERE 26’ WIDE ROAD LEADING OUT OF THE AREA. IN AN EMERGENCY GRID LOCK WOULD HAPPEN WITHIN MINUTES THUS SHUTTING OFF ANY CHANCE OF ESCAPING

    5) THAT SAME NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IS ALSO AN IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL SITE FOR A TERRORIST ATTACK, AND WE KNOW THEY WILL ATTACK AGAIN.

    6) ALL CITIES AND THE COUNTY ARE BROKE AND GETTING BROKER, WITH NO RELIEF IN SITE FROM A STATE THAT IS TECHNICALLY BANKRUPT. SINCE THE BUREAUCRATIC STRUCTURE OF TAX SUPPORTED POWERS TO BE WILL NOT TRIM THEIR BUDGETS TO MEET THEIR INCOME THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO CONTINUALLY CUT VITAL SERVICES.

    7) IN SLO CITY YOU ARE LOSING ALMOST ONE SCHOOL PER YEAR AS IT BECOMES ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR PARENTS TO AFFORD HOUSING THERE AND THE SCHOOLS CUT PROGRAMS RATHER THAN ADMINISTRATION TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM

    8) SLO COUNTY IS THE SECOND MOST UNFRIENDLY COUNTY IN THE STATE IN WHICH TO DO BUSINESS (SANTA BARBARA IS FIRST) SO THE LONG TERM PROGNOSES IN BRINGING IN NEW JOBS IS DEAD IN THE WATER.

    9) CALIFORNIA’S EXTREMELY LIBERAL AND UNAFFORDABLE WORKERS COMPENSATION LAWS HAVE CAUSED A MASS EXODUS OF BUSINESSES FROM THE STATE.

    10) WHEN A BUSINESS CONSIDERS A MOVE THEY LOOK FOR AN AREA THAT HAS THREE MAIN THINGS: 1) AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKERS 2) A STABLE WORK FORCE, AND SHOPPING TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES (4TH IS QUALITY OF SCHOOLS) NONE OF THE CITIES OF NORTHERN SAN LUIS COUNTY HAVE ANY OF THOSE CRITERIA.

    11) THE EXTREME LEFT LEANING POLITICS AND ENVIRONMENTAL STRANGLEHOLD IN THE COUNTY SCARES AWAY MOST POTENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSPLANTS.

    12) THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IN SLO HAS CHANGED RADICALLY OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS. IT HAS GONE FROM A YEAR ROUND MARKET TO A 4 MONTH WINDOW MARKET WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ARE SOLD BETWEEN APRIL AND JULY…THUS STUDENT HOUSING DRIVES EVEN THAT MARKET. PRICES TODAY ARE OFF 20% FROM 2 YEARS AGO WITH NO END IN SITE AS POLY PARENTS BUYING FRENZY HAS WANED.

    13) WITH DIABLO CANYON ON A SHORT FUSE TO IT’S SHUT DOWN THE COUNTY IS DESPERATE TO REPLACE THAT SOURCE OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUES ONLY TO HIT ROAD BLOCKS AT EVERY TURN WITH THE RADICAL ENVIRONMENT MOVEMENT AND “GOOD OL’ BOY OLD MONEY” THAT WANTS TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.

    14) DUE TO HIGHER GAS PRICES AND BED TAXES TOURISM IS DOWN IN SLO COUNTY. MORE PEOPLE VISIT ANY OF THE CABELA’S SPORTING GOODS STORES THAN WILL VISIT HEARST CASTLE EVERY YEAR.

    15) THE US CENSUS OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS SHOW THE SLO CITY POPULATION SHRINKING FOR 3 CENSUSES IN A ROW.

    16) MANY DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ARE STRUGGLING BUT IT HAS BECOME POLITICALLY INCORRECT TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT! MIX THAT WITH THE FACTS THAT A DECENT EARTHQUAKE COULD FLATTEN DOWNTOWN AND IF THE NECESSARY REPAIRS ARE MADE THE BUILDING RENTS COULD REACH $4-5 PER SQUARE FOOT…DOWNTOWN IS OFFICIALLY IN CRITICAL CONDITION AND THE DOCTORS ARE VERY VERY CONCERNED!

    17) LOCAL CITY BUDGETS ARE STRAINED BEYOND DESCRIPTION! WITH NO REAL HELP IN SIGHT! THE NEW OUT OF TOWN HOME OWNERS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SCHOOLS, OR ROADS ETC AND WILL NOT PAY ANYMORE PROPERTY TAXES. WITH THE AVERAGE TAX ON A LOW END PRICED HOME IN SLO CITY APPROACHING $500-$700 PER MONTH, THE BURDEN IS TOO HIGH AS IT IS.

    18) THE ABILITY TO DELIVER REASONABLE HEALTH CARE HAS SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL. HOW MANY TIMES TO YOUR BANKRUPT HOSPITALS NEED TO BE SOLD FOR YOU TO SEE THE WRITING ON WALL?

    19) THE AVERAGE HOME COST REQUIRES THAT THE AVERAGE FAMILY INCOME WOULD NEED TO QUADRUPLE IN ORDER FOR NEW HOME BUYERS TO QUALIFY FOR A FIRST HOME…GRIM AT BEST!

    SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT AG LAND AND GREENBELT AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND WHAT A SPECIAL PLACE YOU HAVE ALL DAY LONG…WHOM ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVINCE? YOURSELVES? THOSE BUYING HOUSES TODAY ARE THERE FOR THE SKYROCKETING HOME COSTS, SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL AND HAVE THAT HOME PAY FOR HALF WHEN THEY SELL! THEY ARE THERE FOR THE MONEY! NOT THE QUALITY OF LIFE! OR THEY ARE THERE FOR THE HUGE HOME RENTAL COSTS! C’MON SLO! A 3 BEDROOM HOME RENTS FOR $2000-$2500 PER MONTH! GET REAL!
    THE SLO AREA IS BEING MINED BY INVESTORS THAT ARE STRIP MINING THE TOWN FOR BIG BUCKS THEN THEY TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.
    SO WHAT’S THE SOLUTION? SORRY GANG…YOU’RE 20 YEARS TOO LATE! THE NEXT 20 YEARS WILL LEAVE YOUR TOWN IN RUINS AS THE BEST OF SLO IS RAPED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WEALTHY FEW.
    IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG…WHERE IS THE MONEY TO BUY AG LAND AND KEEP IT AG? WHERE IS THE MONEY TO HELP THE SCHOOLS…OR THE CITY? WHERE ARE THE SMART DEVELOPERS THAT CAN BUILD LOW COST HOUSING? WHERE ARE THE BUSINESSES MOVING IN TO HELP? IT JUST ISN’T THERE! AND IT’S NOT GONNA BE…EVER.

    YOU MADE YOUR BED, NOW WALLOW IN IT.

  17. Alan Thomas
    December 14, 2006 at 10:40 pm

    Mr. Murray – I suggest you listen to the podcast of my actual comments on the show and look at the three actual letters before embarrassing yourself any further. End of story.

  18. Bob from San Luis
    December 15, 2006 at 3:49 am

    Rich: I can only speak for myself as a downtown business owner, but Wal-Mart doesn’t leave me “scared to death of the competition that the very presence of Wal-Mart brings…”; Wal-Mart is a singularly destructive force in the world of retail because of both illegal and unethical business practices. I have talked about them here on Dave’s blog before so I won’t repeat it all. The very culture that Wal-Mart fosters is unhealthy because the driving motivation is “buy more, cheaper!” without regard to quality of product, or more importantly, quality of life. More people buying more cheap stuff does not improve a community, especially when that community is forced to pay more and more in government support services or they are forced to choose where to cut back on services because the higher paying jobs have left when a Wal-Mart moves in.
    Getting back to topic of this post by Dave, I thought Mr. Thomas did a good job of laying out what Mr. Dalidio should do as a way of moving his project though so that it will fit into the community at large, and the city of San Luis Obispo in particular. A note to Guy Murray, mentioning a potential violation of the Brown Act is not the same as accusing some body of actually violating the law. Parsing for sure, but I would think that all three Supervisors be most willing to help clear up any question as whether or not there was a Brown Act violation. I do think the allegation is serious, but the very question of if the Supervisors did or did not violate is equally serious, and I look forward to each individual’s reply. Mr. Dalidio will be better served by setting up his project to be annexed into the city as a means to providing better fire and police protection, providing a cheaper resource for his water and sewer needs, and in helping the city try and help solve the certain traffic disaster that will ensue if the city planners are not involved.

  19. Rich from Paso
    December 15, 2006 at 10:46 pm

    Bob, I find it humorous that you refer to Wal-Mart using the same lexicon that Sean Hannity uses to talk about al Qaeda. “Single most destructive force”? Come on! Isn’t that just a little on the hyperbole side?

    Provide a source, not the Wakeupwalmart crowd, that supports your wal-mart = Welfare allegation.

    Even if you are right about people still needing social services while being a Wal-mart employee, and you’re not, that still keeps the percentage of subsistance on welfare to less than 100%, which is what those employees would be without Wal-Mart: 100% welfare recipients. Wal-Mart may not pay a fortune for the work but that obviously has not prevented them from filling their roles with employees, turning away tens of thousands every time a new stor opens. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage will not change that either. Wal-Mart already pays above the minimum wage. Realistically, the unions, yeah the ones that hate Wal-Mart so much, are the only ones that really profit since their union contracts are pegged to be so many percentage points above minimum wage. Who does an increase in the minimum wage hurt? Raising the minimum wage will cost jobs, (jobs of the very people the rise in the minimum wage is supposed to help), it will make our cars more expensive, and it will make our goods and services more expensive. This is the same reason why Wal-Mart’s wages help the economy: they provide jobs to people that would be welfare recipients otherwise without causing and increase in prices (inflation). As for yoru quality arguement: it’s an old one. I still have the hammer I bought at Wal-Mart 7 years ago: it still works, the handle hasn’t broken or anything. The HD TV I bought this year has the same “Panasonic” logo that Best Buy or any other business has. You really need to stop with the anti-big capitalist and anti-corporation nonsense because you sound simply ridiculous.

  20. Rich from Paso
    December 15, 2006 at 10:47 pm

    Bob, I find it humorous that you refer to Wal-Mart using the same lexicon that Sean Hannity uses to talk about al Qaeda. “Single most destructive force”? Come on! Isn’t that just a little on the hyperbole side?

    Provide a source, not the Wakeupwalmart crowd, that supports your wal-mart = Welfare allegation.

    Even if you are right about people still needing social services while being a Wal-mart employee, and you’re not, that still keeps the percentage of subsistance on welfare to less than 100%, which is what those employees would be without Wal-Mart: 100% welfare recipients. Wal-Mart may not pay a fortune for the work but that obviously has not prevented them from filling their roles with employees, turning away tens of thousands every time a new stor opens. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage will not change that either. Wal-Mart already pays above the minimum wage. Realistically, the unions, yeah the ones that hate Wal-Mart so much, are the only ones that really profit since their union contracts are pegged to be so many percentage points above minimum wage. Who does an increase in the minimum wage hurt? Raising the minimum wage will cost jobs, (jobs of the very people the rise in the minimum wage is supposed to help), it will make our cars more expensive, and it will make our goods and services more expensive. This is the same reason why Wal-Mart’s wages help the economy: they provide jobs to people that would be welfare recipients otherwise without causing and increase in prices (inflation). As for yoru quality arguement: it’s an old one. I still have the hammer I bought at Wal-Mart 7 years ago: it still works, the handle hasn’t broken or anything. The HD TV I bought this year has the same “Panasonic” logo that Best Buy or any other business has. You really need to stop with the anti-big capitalist and anti-corporation nonsense because you sound simply ridiculous.

  21. Rich from Paso
    December 15, 2006 at 10:48 pm

    Bob, I find it humorous that you refer to Wal-Mart using the same lexicon that Sean Hannity uses to talk about al Qaeda. “Single most destructive force”? Come on! Isn’t that just a little on the hyperbole side?

    Provide a source, not the Wakeupwalmart crowd, that supports your wal-mart = Welfare allegation.

    Even if you are right about people still needing social services while being a Wal-mart employee, and you’re not, that still keeps the percentage of subsistance on welfare to less than 100%, which is what those employees would be without Wal-Mart: 100% welfare recipients. Wal-Mart may not pay a fortune for the work but that obviously has not prevented them from filling their roles with employees, turning away tens of thousands every time a new stor opens. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage will not change that either. Wal-Mart already pays above the minimum wage. Realistically, the unions, yeah the ones that hate Wal-Mart so much, are the only ones that really profit since their union contracts are pegged to be so many percentage points above minimum wage. Who does an increase in the minimum wage hurt? Raising the minimum wage will cost jobs, (jobs of the very people the rise in the minimum wage is supposed to help), it will make our cars more expensive, and it will make our goods and services more expensive. This is the same reason why Wal-Mart’s wages help the economy: they provide jobs to people that would be welfare recipients otherwise without causing and increase in prices (inflation). As for yoru quality arguement: it’s an old one. I still have the hammer I bought at Wal-Mart 7 years ago: it still works, the handle hasn’t broken or anything. The HD TV I bought this year has the same “Panasonic” logo that Best Buy or any other business has. You really need to stop with the anti-big capitalist and anti-corporation nonsense because you sound simply ridiculous.

  22. Rich from Paso
    December 15, 2006 at 10:51 pm

    Bob, I find it humorous that you refer to Wal-Mart using the same lexicon that Sean Hannity uses to talk about al Qaeda. “Single most destructive force”? Come on! Isn’t that just a little on the hyperbole side?

    Provide a source, not the Wakeupwalmart crowd, that supports your wal-mart = Welfare allegation.

    Even if you are right about people still needing social services while being a Wal-mart employee, and you’re not, that still keeps the percentage of subsistance on welfare to less than 100%, which is what those employees would be without Wal-Mart: 100% welfare recipients. Wal-Mart may not pay a fortune for the work but that obviously has not prevented them from filling their roles with employees, turning away tens of thousands every time a new stor opens. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage will not change that either. Wal-Mart already pays above the minimum wage. Realistically, the unions, yeah the ones that hate Wal-Mart so much, are the only ones that really profit since their union contracts are pegged to be so many percentage points above minimum wage. Who does an increase in the minimum wage hurt? Raising the minimum wage will cost jobs, (jobs of the very people the rise in the minimum wage is supposed to help), it will make our cars more expensive, and it will make our goods and services more expensive. This is the same reason why Wal-Mart’s wages help the economy: they provide jobs to people that would be welfare recipients otherwise without causing and increase in prices (inflation). As for yoru quality arguement: it’s an old one. I still have the hammer I bought at Wal-Mart 7 years ago: it still works, the handle hasn’t broken or anything. The HD TV I bought this year has the same “Panasonic” logo that Best Buy or any other business has. You really need to stop with the anti-big capitalist and anti-corporation nonsense because you sound simply ridiculous.

  23. Guy Murray
    December 16, 2006 at 1:21 am

    Alan Thomas,

    I’m not embarrassed. Are you embarrassed? I heard the radio show live. I read your comments on this blog, which are the ones I used to quote you. I don’t need to listen to the pod cast.

    You accused Katcho and the other supervisors of a possible Brown Act violation. You have nothing of substance on which to base such a serious allegation other than your own biased and weak interpretation of the three letters.

    I’ve read and posted Katcho’s letter before. It is available for the whole world to see that there is nothing in there that would support your baseless and preposterous allegations of a Brown Act violation.

    I don’t know what more I can say. As I said before–it is what it is.

    Bob from San Luis wrote:

    A note to Guy Murray, mentioning a potential violation of the Brown Act is not the same as accusing some body of actually violating the law. Parsing for sure, but I would think that all three Supervisors be most willing to help clear up any question as whether or not there was a Brown Act violation. I do think the allegation is serious, but the very question of if the Supervisors did or did not violate is equally serious, and I look forward to each individual’s reply.

    Again, Bob, it is an accusation. Parse it all you want; but, it is what it is. It is an accusation or an allegation that three county board of supervisors not only violated the Brown Act–but, that they conspired to do so by sending out these letters. \

    Mr. Thomas implied on the radio show that somehow they were supporting the Dalidio project (which Katcho expressly denied in his letter). He also alleges or accuses them of conspiring to vote a certain way on a separate issue in the future–also a false allegation.

    To think that three seasoned supervisors such as these would be stupid enough to so conspire as Mr. Thomas alleges or accuses–well, frankly it makes reason stare.

    Regards,

    Guy Murray
    Nipomo News

  24. Guy Murray
    December 16, 2006 at 3:23 am

    Alan Thomas:

    Let’s cut to the chase here. Please provide us with the exact provisions of the Brown Act, Kactho and the other supervisors allegedly violated. And, please identify with specificity the actions taken by these three supervisors that violated those provisions.

    Regards,

    Guy Murray
    Nipomo News

  25. Jose in Santa Maria
    December 16, 2006 at 5:08 am

    Katcho is lucky not be in jail. He should be charged, convicted and sentenced to the full extent of the law.

  26. Anonymous
    December 16, 2006 at 5:05 pm

    just read a new post on a blog site that has a whole different take on Barack Obama’s potential presidential run – check out the link:

    Obama and the M word…

    http://rightspeak.blogspot.com/

  27. greg in slo
    December 17, 2006 at 5:19 am

    Katcho needs should looked into by the grand jury. This thing has a stench to it.

  28. JerryDinAZ
    December 17, 2006 at 8:37 pm

    AS A FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER I CAN TELL YOU THIS. THE BROWN ACT SEEMS CRYSTAL CLEAR UNTIL YOU TRY TO APPLY IT! IT’S FULL OF AMBIGUITIES AND ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE UNLESS THERE IS AN AIRTIGHT EYEWITNESS TO A MEETING OF 3, AND THAT THE MEETING WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CIRCUMVENTING POLITICAL PROCESS FOR A SPECIFIC IDENTIFIABLE GOAL.
    STOP TRYING TO USE THIS KIND OF STUFF WHEN YOU THINK THE PREVAILING WIND IS NOT IN YOUR DIRECTION.
    TAX SUPPORTED AGENCIES LAWYERS ARE ALL OVER THE BROWN ACT…THERE IS NOT A CHANCE IN HELL THAT’S IT’S GOING TO BE BROKEN THESE DAYS! IT’S OFTEN TESTED BUT LEGAL CHALLENGES RARELY SUCCEED.

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