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It is just a few minutes before midnight and I doubt that Sean Hannity is getting much sleep tonight on Long Island. His worst nightmare has come true — the Democrats have the House with a comfortable margin and they may seize the Senate, depending upon what happens with Virginia.

Nobody, but nobody, could have predicted this scenario.

Meanwhile, I am thrilled by the news on the local scene: Lois Capps wins. Mike Brennler and Ellen Beraud sweep to victory in Atascadero. Measure J passes overwhelmingly. Andrew Carter finally gets on city council in San Luis.

The guy I feel sorry for the most: John Ewan has got to be disappointed and a little frustrated and even a bit pissed at Christine M. As predicted, John and Christine split the vote and allowed Dave Romero to win re-election. Had Christine stepped aside, John would have won.

So now can Ernie Dalidio finally move ahead with his project? THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!!!!!!

Also, the abortion ban goes down in flames in South Dakota. Rush’s hate-filled attack on Michael J. Fox probably cost the Republicans Missouri.

Come to think of it, President Bush probably isn’t sleeping well tonight.

So what do you think about the election results? We’ll have complete analysis and comments on Wednesday’s show.

  1. JerryDinAZ
    November 8, 2006 at 2:00 pm


    November 8, 2006 at 2:05 pm

    Praise Allah! We have won in America! We won! We won! We won!

    it’s too bad our bombs will also kill those that voted us control of the house. so sorry!

    But as you know…the US must be destroyed.

  3. Brett
    November 8, 2006 at 2:46 pm

    Dave, in 10 to 15 years when folks, even folks like you (unless you’ve moved away), are sitting around wondering what happened to all the qualities that we so much enjoyed about the area that are now gone there will be no one to blame but ourselves.

    Maybe there should be a new license plate frame for SLO. Welcome to anywhere USA. The SLO Town plates will still be usable as folks honk their horns stuck in another traffic jam.

  4. Anonymous
    November 8, 2006 at 3:09 pm

    Hey Jerry

    I think I speak for a lot of people when I say….


  5. Anonymous
    November 8, 2006 at 3:11 pm

    Jerry’s probably pretty depressed right about now – somebody ought to lock up his guns…wait, on second thought, lets see what happens.

  6. Anonymous
    November 8, 2006 at 3:13 pm


    You can stop with the ‘Nambla’ – its now SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE PELOSI
    once again,


  7. JerryDinAZ
    November 8, 2006 at 3:51 pm





  8. Mark
    November 8, 2006 at 4:13 pm

    Congratulations to Mike Brennler and Helen Beraud! Their elections have restored my faith in the voters of Atascadero.

    Let’s hope O’Malley and Clay cooperate with the new leadership in the city and get things back on track.

    I would think there are some nervous city managers, as the gravy train comes to a stop.

    Good luck to the new council.

  9. Conscience of the GOP
    November 8, 2006 at 5:34 pm

    what djheri calls a debacle is a delight to me. I hope we don’t have to wait2 years for the “DEMS TO SCREW THINGS UP” cuz things need fixin’ right now.

    it took 30 years for the neo-republigoons to take control, by adopting an ends-justify-the-means ethic; they had to do it illegally, they continually broke the law while in control, they forgot their principles and betrayed basic human values. good riddance. just watch them consume each other on teevee. they’re fleeing the ship like the rats they are.

    yep, there’ll sure be a bit of fixin’ to do.

  10. Conscience of the GOP
    November 8, 2006 at 5:39 pm

    George Bush
    Richard Cheney
    Nancy Pelosi


  11. Bob from San Luis
    November 8, 2006 at 6:10 pm

    JerryD: Voters wanted a change so much in South Dakota that they voted for a woman who was not a Republican, who they knew had died over voting for the Republican! Link here to the story for your own reading. The main point is that the voters knew she had died, but voted for her anyway 100-64 over the Republican. Can’t even get elected over a dead person?

  12. JerryDinAZ
    November 8, 2006 at 6:41 pm


  13. BRETT
    November 8, 2006 at 7:47 pm






  14. cj
    November 8, 2006 at 9:10 pm

    Looks like the people have spoken, not only locally (atascadero) but nationally as well! NO MORE GOOD OLD BOYS!! Yeah!

  15. Pumcho
    November 8, 2006 at 10:32 pm

    Hey JD time to get your crayons out and redo your map! Remember keep them out of you mounth. On second thought……

  16. Red Neckersniff
    November 8, 2006 at 11:07 pm

    Yes, the people have spoken…but not so fast, folks. Sure, this was a protest vote…a small number of men, comparitively speaking, fell prey to corruption, be it moral or monetary, due to an inability to handle power. Bad news, bad press…just BAD. The majority of the nation has no stomach for the war and has no understanding of it, and our Dem friends have no intention of helping win it. The major media outlets are liberal and have an anti-administration agenda. The GOP overspent their budget time and time again, getting away from their roots and pissing off RR republicans.

    Here is a couple points ya’all are missing: 1. How many of the newly elected democrats are blue dog? some are more conservative than their republican counterparts! think about that one, BOB. 2. We will not run out of Iraq. The President and VP are not running for office. No running. 3. The folks who made their protest known at the polls have made their point…now, if Rangel, and Pelosi, and Reid and Waxman upset the apple cart, those same folks will put conservatives right back into office in ’08, even the Prez slot.

    But for now, you guys have your day in the sun. Enjoy. In many respects the losers have nobody to blame – there were some major screw ups on immigration and other hot button topics. We won’t be leaving the arena anytime soon…maybe gridlock will work out for the best, more things will benefit us in the long run. When all the ha ha’s have died down maybe we can discuss some issues.

  17. rob in los osos
    November 9, 2006 at 2:42 am

    red neck

    You make some good points. But when you say ‘ the majority… has no stomach for the war’ I have to disagree. What they have is no tolerance for the debacle this war has become. There is a difference. I’m not going to pretend I was ever for the Iraq war, but I’m not the people that voiced their opinion yesterday. They were people like my father, who has NEVER voted other than republican until 2004; my wife’s parents, who live in Nebraska and are about as red-state as they come; when those people desert the ship, then there is something seriosly wrong with that ship. I

    btw – I like you better without the accent

    Jerry – didn’t you guarantee that the repubes would hold the house and senate? Is your mouth too full of some type of black bird to answer? How’s that tasting?

  18. Red Neckersniff
    November 9, 2006 at 7:29 am

    Rob – don’t make fun of my disguise…I am incognito. Obviously dissatisfaction was not just with dem’s…it was with independants, and with republicans…had the war been successful 2 yrs ago we would not be having this blog conversation. Not even this economy could turn heads! It would be terribly naive to think that other factors caused this defeat. It was mostly Iraq, backed up by immigration (hispanic votes went to democrats because of the fence and all the talk of making some felons, etc – according to polls). Couple this with the fact that cocky republicans did not articulate what they were doing (not good Denny!) The Dems didn’t win this…the Republicans lost!

    The key is this: will the administration execute with a new SECDEF, who is tight with James Baker, who will now have his voice heard, and bring it all together in Iraq? If you start seeing talk of a “new Iraq”, i.e. splitting it up, expediting Hussein’s execution, bringing some troops home for a Christmas early-out, you will know.

    From behind the curtain will emerge non-stained RR Republicans, who will breathe conservative life back into the GOP and leave in the dust the old party memories. Believe me, the last thing Bush or the rest of us wants is more guys like that ball o’ fire Hastert, or that great uniter and statesman, Tom Delay (where are ye, Newt boy?)… Of course nobody will say that out loud. The same goes for the Dem side of the aisle too…you guys have plenty of polarizers to go around that Hollywood can warm up to. Standing across the aisle and birding each other off will not get anything done.

    It was not my intent to insult your integrity or bravery, Los Osos Rob, when I said that this country had not the stomach for war…I have said here more than once that I believe that as a nation, we are isolationists, short-sighted, and most of all, spoiled. We have been given many gifts by a doting generation of wonderful people who gave their all for our freedom and wanted us to have what they never did. So we have taken advantage of that and expect now that the world owes us and we don’t have to defend what we have…there are double mocha’s to be ordered at the mall. Go to any college campus and hang out for a day, or better yet, sit in on a poli sci class – I rest my case.

  19. Red Neckersniff
    November 9, 2006 at 7:57 am

    Is this a great country, or what?!

    Where else can you have the freedom to go onto a blog, and call fellow Americans, real patriots who love their country and work hard for it, Republicans and Democrats, treasonous no-good bastards who just want to f___k all the rest of us over as part of a vast conspiracy, for their own personal gain!

    There are still some countries in the world where you would be shot, or hung or have your nuts cut off, …but not here!

    Nope…here, you can just ramble on even if you don’t know what the hell you are even talkin’ about! Yep, you can just make shit up, and say it, and then call people whatever you want, and get away with it! No wonder the love children of the great republic of France don’t like us…

  20. Brett
    November 9, 2006 at 2:58 pm

    JERRY, JERRY, JERRY WHERE ARE YOU?. I guess you are waiting for your leaders: Rush, Hannity,and O’Reilly to give you direction.

    Or maybe you are trying to find yourself a new place to live after the votes in Arizona on Gay Marriage, Minimum Wage, and Parental Notification.

  21. Mrs Pelosi
    November 9, 2006 at 8:44 pm

    Get the french maid costume on and get over to my office pronto!

  22. Rich from Paso
    November 10, 2006 at 1:19 am

    Okay everyone, I’m back. Got called out of town on buisness for the last two and a half days. Did you miss me?

    Anyhow, I have had these few days since the election to mull over the results and what they mean. Here tis:

    1. This was not so much as an election about Bush or Iraq. Really. Think about it for a second. Who lost? Nancy Johnson, RINO from Connecticutt; DeWine, RINO from Ohio, Curt Weldon, caught in scandal; Chafee, RINO from RI. Republicans let those RINOs fail by not supporting them. Secondly, my hats off to Dean, Schummer and Emmanuel for running a very well executed campaign. They got semi-safe Republicans like Ryan in Kansas and were able to pick off the vulnerable Republicans like Hayworth in AZ.

    2. This was NOT the Blue Wave that all the punditry predicted. If that was the case, then Ford would have won in Tennessee and he didn’t. If that was the case, Reynolds in NY would have lost and he didn’t. Furthermore, if this was a Bule Wave, then why didn’t the Dems pick up more seats in the Senate? Can’t blame gerrymandering. There is a one seat advantage to the Dems. They better make nice to Joe Liberman before he changes his affliation to Republican out of spite.

    3. This election served notice that America really is a Centrist country, neither overly left or right leaning. The gains in the House can be easily explained by: 1. Scandal (Foley, Ney, DeLay, Weldon), 2. Republican dissatisfaction (Johnson in CN, Sherwood in PA)and 3. Well targeted campaigning by the DNC (Ryan in KS); The gains in the Senate are easily attributed to: 1. RINO candidates (Chafee in RI, DeWine in OH), 2. Weak candidates (Burns in MT), and 3. A well-targeted campaign strategy that was not afraid to mislead, smear, slander, and even lie to get their candidate elected (Santorum, Allen and Talent in MO). That’s not sour grapes; that’s reality. My brother lives in VA and he told me that the grenades that were being tossed by the candidates would make your grandmother cry. The dirtiest of campaign tactics begets the dirtiest of campaign tactics by their opponent. Again, I’m not crying about it, that’s just reality.

    So what does it mean to me? 1. Next to nothing will get done in terms of policy unless it is truely bipartisan. Bush still holds a veto pen. yeah, he has been underutilizing it of late, but that doen’t mean that if the Dems get combative and aggressively left-wing extreme, that he won’t use it. 2. No one is going to go far away from the center on legislation. With a 51-49 split, as others have mentioned, the Dems start off with no veto-proof majority. As a matter of fact, there are more Conservative Democrats than there are Liberal Republicans now than before. 3. There will be no impeachment of President Bush. Yep, you heard it hear first. The next two years are the only time Democrats will have to prove they can lead the country. They will not achieve that by 1. Going extreme left-wing and 2. impeaching Bush. There aren’t enough votes to convict him and the Dems would set up a Clinton Impeachment debacle redux that would cost them their leadership in 08 and maybe their shot at the White House. No, the Dems must achieve some sort of bipartisan, big picture good for the country to credentialize themselves for continued leadership in 08. 4. We are not pulling out of Iraq. Believe it. Not today or tomorrow, but maybe in 08. Look, President Talibani says he thinks the US should stay in Iraq for 3 or 4 more years. The Congress controls the purse-strings but Bush still controlls the military. Bush could very easily shut down the Dept of Defense by funding the Iraq mission out of the current operating budget if Congress doesn’t continue to fund it, plus I don’t think any such legislation would survive the filibuster by Joe L and the Republicans. 5. Rumsfeld resigned because he didn’t want to have to testify before 58 different committees for the next two years. He hated testifying in front of the carping Armed Services Committees of both houses. The resignation was already on Bush’s desk before the election night was over. Is that going to change the “course of direction” in Iraq. Maybe at a superficial cosmetic level, but it won’t cause us to pull out early. Back to bi-partisanship for a second: I hope that the Democrats don’t bring up Iran-Contra when they start Gates’ hearing. At some point in time everyone has to come forward to the present day and talk about the man’s qualifcations not about whether or not he was involved in an operation 20 years ago.

    That’s it on my thoughts on the election. How did the ballet initiatives do?

  23. Rich from Paso
    November 10, 2006 at 4:49 am

    Two other things:

    1) Dave, you must never listen to your own radio station. NOTHING about what Rush Limbaugh said about Michael J. Fox was hate-filled. You are full of crap if anything Rush said was hate-filled. Here’s a fresh idea! Why don’t you go to Rush Limbaugh’s FREE website and ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH. All of the transcripts are right there on the bottom right hand corner of the website.

    2.) Poop on Michele Dostert for her pre-election conspiracy crap. Wow! It appears that the Diebold machines worked fine. Where the hell is your bullshit conspiracy now, Michele? I guess LOSERS from the DEMOCRAT PARTY are the only people that believe in crazy-ass conspiracy theories, but when you win, it’s all good, right?

  24. Rich from Paso
    November 10, 2006 at 4:59 am

    Correction: Dave COULD have done some research prior to his comments which were based in ignorance, but Rush has updated his website since then.

  25. Bob from San Luis
    November 10, 2006 at 9:18 am

    Rich, JerryD, Redneckersniff: While there may be some merit to the Republicans losing, the reality is the Democrats won. The 50 state strategy executed by Howard Dean worked, but the taint of corruption in some of the races certainly didn’t hurt the Democrats. Rich, it is almost funny to see you say here that President Bush won’t be impeached, because I remember you saying a few threads ago that all the Dems were out for Bush’s scalp and I mentioned that an impeachment hearing wouldn’t happen right away, if at all. As for the pundits or Democratic leaders making claims of a “blue wave” and this not being it because more seats in the Senate weren’t won, most of what I remember reading and hearing was that the Dems might win the Senate. Regardless, change is coming.
    I would like to thank all military veterans for their service to our country since I will be out of town this weekend. Like I said when I called in on Tuesday’s show, anybody who doesn’t vote insults all veterans who served because without them we might not be able to go to the polls and vote for who we want to. Thank you veterans.

  26. Rich from Paso
    November 10, 2006 at 5:08 pm

    Bob, thanks.

    But you forget that I was talking about if the Dems only won the House and not the Senate. Since they won both houses and by narrow margins, they have to govern not just try to scalp Bush in an impechment.

  27. everett in los osos
    November 11, 2006 at 3:01 am

    Alec Baldwin, Babs Streisand and the 3rd Best Director In the World; Robert Altman, all said they were going to leave the country when Bush won the last election. Lots of Leftists said the same thing. Some actually left the country for Canada and France.
    Where are the hordes of conservatives swearing to leave?
    Where would they go, anyway?
    For that matter, what happened to all of the human shields who swore to protect Iraqis from coalition depradations? I know it’s been a few years, maybe they’re hitchhiking.
    (Crickets chirping)

  28. everett in los osos
    November 11, 2006 at 3:05 am

    The second best director? Blake Edwards. The Best Director? everyone else, it’s a tie.

  29. Rich from Paso
    November 11, 2006 at 3:29 am

    You’ll never hear a true Conservative say they will leave America if liberals win anything; we actually love our country, whereas the liberals apparently don’t. Furthermore, liberals like Alec, Babs and Altman apparently are not to be trusted and taken at their word because six year into Bush’s presidency and they are still here (damn it! why don’t pull a Depp or Madonna and just leave already; if you don’t want to be here I don’t want you here).

    I say the best director is Martin Scorsese, but that is me.

  30. Conscience of the GOP
    November 11, 2006 at 5:50 am

    conservatives leave america by moving to northern idaho so they can be close to the canadian border when the goons from the fascist police state (think janet reno) come for their guns

    liberals leave america by identifying with remnants of euro-centric liberalism which was inspired by the american example and by making plans to move to canada, sweden, denmark, france, etc to escape the crackdown on liberties and glorification of dogmatic partisanship (think karl rove) in this country

    both hold democratic ideals close to their hearts

    both know see that fascism from within is the biggest threat to our cherished freedoms

    much common ground there is

  31. Conscience of the GOP
    November 11, 2006 at 6:14 am

    nice try at the corruption spin ‘red’ :
    “just a few bad apples” that voters reacted to, and “a little bad press”

    – HAW! that’s a good one! keep sniffin’ that horse manure, you’re on a roll.

    the neo-republigoons worked long and hard and sacrificed much to get total control of our gummint. that they blew it so big is a sign of fundamental character weakness of the whole bunch. weakness in those who crafted the ruthless win-at-all-costs strategy (neo-cons). weakness in those who grabbed onto the coattails and facilitated the power grab (rank & file conservatives). weakness of the opposition party to put aside their egos and careers and challenge the leadership.

    only a few pols challenged the neo-cons, and they were loudly drowned out by the jeers of the right and of the toady left. today they can say they were correct all along, but is anyone handing them praise for standing up for the constitution, for international goodwill, for international arms control treaties from day one? no way. the mob would be too embarassed to have their leadership failures shoved in their faces, as it should be.

  32. Conscience of the GOP
    November 11, 2006 at 6:24 am

    rich, may I direct you to blackboxvoting.org where you can read for yourself the brief and messy history of electronic voting, and see for yourself the evidence of monkeybusiness that gives michelle fuel for her dark predictions.

    If you dismiss outright what bev harris has done, and continues to do to clean up this mess, then pal, you put your life on the line for nothing. bev’s aim is legit. michelle’s fears were legit. get a life.

  33. Rich from Paso
    November 11, 2006 at 5:08 pm

    You all live in a fantasy world if you think that a little slip of paper that reaffirms who you thought you voted for will make electronic voting a panacea. Consider: If I am so smart as to be able to hack into Diebold electronic voting machinesand make 250,000 Kerry votes suddenly become Bush votes, then don’t you think I’m smart enough to make your little, conscious soothing piece of paper that says “Conscious of the GOP – Kerry” bogus too? I think yes. So, that leads us right back to paper balloting, the same method all you Dems said was obsolete and needed to be replaced by the Diebold voting machines that you are up in arms about now. The Circle of Illogic is astounding. Next thing you will tell us is that a 51-49 majority somehow equals a mandate for all of your kooky, left-wing radical liberal policies. You’re the one that needs a life

  34. Anonymous
    November 11, 2006 at 6:06 pm


    Electronic voting should print out a piece of paper that list your votes. This piece of paper is then turned in and counted. It is for your verification only – you are not allowed to leave a voting location with a record of your vote. Simple.

    Let the computer count the votes then and you have a paper backup for a recount scenario. Currently, there is zero back-up proceedure. Just ask “Macaca” Allen.

  35. Rich from Paso
    November 11, 2006 at 7:07 pm

    Anon: Why do you want to create an electronic hammer? That’s all you are talking about. You want an electronic way of butterfly balloting. To me that’s dumb. I still think that a paper ballot that is idiot proof is what we need; it’s cheap, low-tech and single layered. But what we really need is a Constitutional amendment that codifies the Voting Rights Act and a standard national voting and recount method across the 50 states, the territories and DC. It has to be an amendment so as to prevent a court challenge based on violating the seldom spoke about 10th Amendment. If we had a uniform national voting and recount system, then we could fire the 50,000 lawyers that were standing by to issue court challenges this election cycle. What do you think about that?

  36. Anonymous
    November 11, 2006 at 10:30 pm


    I’m not a fan of electronic voting in the slightest – in fact, I worked at writing code for them for Sequioa Pacific/Siemens back in the 80’s and am very familiar with all of the issues of EV. If (big IF) they are going to be placed in elections (due to costs), then the best system/methodology should be used.
    Corrections to your claims: The Butterfly ballot was a punch card ballot – not electronic.
    The computer printout IS a paper ballot. It’s just a convenient way to data enter via the machine, rather than a Black Box device. And since it’s a hardcopy output, it’s verifiable and recountable – just like the chads used in Florida, but without the wishy-washy “was it punched out or not” problem.
    The Democratic stance is not in favor of electronic voting – look up Blackwell and Harris in your Wikipedia for more info.
    Most of the “gaming” of the system in 2000/2004 involved elimination of people from the voting rolls themselves through lists generated by Right-Wing agencies and no recourse for removal.
    It’s funny how the exit polls in this last election were within 1% of every single vote, except for VA & MT, the two hotly contested states, which varied by 6%!!.

    Finally, my vote: Kuberick

  37. Rich from Paso
    November 11, 2006 at 10:49 pm

    I stand by my statement about “electronic” voting. I agree that paper balloting is better than the black box method, but if you are going to have paper ballots punched, marked, whatever by a machine, couldn’t we just create a low-tech paper ballot that people vote on and recount as necessary? Mark my words: there will be a black out an polling site and one side or the other will claim a conspiracy to deny voters a voting opportunity in order to sway the voting (unless a freak storm knocks out the power).

    Don’t even start on “Right-wing people eliminating people from the voter rolls” nonsense. ACORN, a George Soros funded group, has several of its members up for felony charges for submitting ~45,000 fraudulent voter registration forms in Kansas City alone. ACORN was in places like Ohio and Virginia with “voter registration” drives in places like Alzheimer’s wards and old-folks homes. Plus I still contend, as I did in an earlier thread, that our brave soldiers in harm’s way around the word are being disenfranchised as we speak when we declare elections within a 1% difference over before those ballots are counted. It happened in 2000 and 2004 and it is happening now.

  38. Anonymous
    November 11, 2006 at 11:55 pm



    ACORN submitted less than 3,000 (not 45K as you suggest) voter registration cards with “missing or inaccurate” information. They were trying to register people, not disenfranchise them ala Ken Blackwell & Katherine Harris and Database Technologies (I can post many a link if you wish).

    Guilt by association (Soros) means nothing when Soros has not done anything wrong. Just because he’s spending his money on causes you dislike doesn’t make him a bad man. Check all the Abramoff connections for true guilt by association.

    You drag the soldiers in Iraq into your specious argument as though counting votes would change the safety of their position. “Let’s just stop all elections during a war like we have done in every other war ever fought.” Then we can have Shrub for President for Life!!! Blah!

  39. Rich from Paso
    November 12, 2006 at 12:18 am

    Here is a link detailing all of ACORN’s voter fraud.

    Here is the link that supports my charge in the Kansas City are (it was 35,000, not 45,000 as I said).

    So Soros is not a bad man for supporting bad groups? Talk about specious arguements. He should do better research on who he gives his money.

    Harris and Blackwell? Katherine Harris obeys the letter of the law and certifies the election even though the Brouard and Dade counties chose to ignore the law and continue their illegal vote recount, contaminating the ballots as they handled them and Harris is to blame? Buddy, you need to get your facts straight. Harris wasn’t creating law when she did her job unlike the Florida Supreme Court that invented a non-existant law to provide the Dade and Brouard voter boards (Democrats one and all) cover so they could continue to subjectively decide which vote went for Gore and which went for Bush. Yeah, that’s responsible and legal; in a pig’s eye. I don’t know what beef you have with Blackwell. I have noticed that Democrats only complain when they lose. Republicans have the good grace to lose with dignity.

  40. Anonymous
    November 12, 2006 at 1:45 am


    Thank you for the links. Now, let’s pull the facts from them:
    The Faux News report says that “election officials say 40% of the 35K are bogus”. This brings your 35K down to 14K. ACORN also is quoted as saying “ACORN says it’s happy the indictments were handed up — they say they provided the names of three of the four indicted individuals, who, they say, no longer work for ACORN.”
    So, what really happened was ACORN was paying people to canvas registrations. They hired some bad apples that sent in duplicate forms, and they got rid of them. Hardly a conspiracy TO SUPPRESS VOTING. Just some canvassers trying to earn more money by turning in more registrations.

    Harris: Florida Supreme Court ordered Harris to accept the results of any manual recount. Bush appealed to SCOTUS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

    Blackwell: mis-allocated voting machines to reduce Democratic turnout. Repub districts recieved far more voting machines per capita than Democratic districts.
    He also replaced all the optical machines with Diebold machines.

    Just because the Dems “won” this time doesn’t mean they;ll rest on their laurels and leave voting suppression alone. Hopefully, HAVA will be redressed and true representative voting will return.

    Rich, you want paper ballots, yet you ignore who has benefitted from the lack of them, and who has been behind the move to replace them with Diebold machines.

  41. Conscience of the GOP
    November 12, 2006 at 3:25 am

    rich: naughty, bad, bad boy

    you know better than to post a link to a site that in turn posts no links to confirm it’s “facts”

    so we should take your word for it? -or we should take your linked site’s word for it?

  42. Conscience of the GOP
    November 12, 2006 at 3:29 am

    if republicans lose, the electrons win.

  43. Rich from Paso
    November 12, 2006 at 5:02 am

    Hell, we’ve been taken every one of Dave’s NYT unsupported posts as fact for the last year or so; why not take mine? Actually, I am more trustworthy than most, just so you know.

  44. Rich from Paso
    November 12, 2006 at 5:08 am

    The Florida Supreme Court totally ignored the Florida election law and ordered her to accept a manual recount when the Florida law did not mandate a manual hand recount. Furthermore, why only three counties? That was the basis of Buswh’s supreme court challenge, that he was not being given equal protection under the law. If they had recounted all of the ballots of all of the counties, Bush would not have had a case to go to the SCOTUS.

    Wikipedia is notorious for being innaccurate in its posts. Any knucklehead can put whatever they want on that website and there is very little if any fact checking going on.

    Who is the one that benefits from the lack of paper ballots and the move to Diebold machines? If yo usay Republicans you are a whackjob and need to be ignored. Need I remind you the Republicans LOST this time WITH the Diebold machines?

  45. Conscience of the GOP
    November 12, 2006 at 7:05 am

    since, as you say, “the republicans LOST this time WITH the diebold machines,” are you implyng that their loss would have been significantly larger had paper ballots been used?

    or that electoral loss implies innocence of voting machine rigging?

  46. Rich from Paso
    November 12, 2006 at 7:18 am

    His point was that there was some power grab behind instituting the use of the Diebold machines. I was stating that it can’t be the Republicans behind the power grab since they lost. It would be stupid to not use the very devices you were going to use to take over the U.S. with if that was the case, right? Thought that was pretty evident by my comments.

  47. Red Neckersniff
    November 12, 2006 at 10:05 am

    It is interesting to note that the overwhelming majority of those polled by Newsweek not only were unsatisfied with the Bush administration, and had written off the next two years, but also did not think that the Democrats won because they had better candidates. So, WTF exactly does the American wimp want? ahhh..a perfect world…that’s it. A perfect America!

    If this all sounds familiar, it is because it is. I hope all noticed last week that most people being interviewed didn’t even know who Pelosi was. But those same wimps who want the perfect world…they know they don’t want anyone to go to Iraq and kill, or get killed! People are pissed off and are being fueled daily by our friends in the America-bashing media, and nothing will make them happy short of all troops arriving in New York city next week and life returning to normal. Frappucinos for everyone!..they don’t give a damn about the GDP or the price of oil or Israel and the Palestineans or this blog. Take a stroll through Barnes and Noble and go over to the hate America table, if you don’t believe me. You won’t find much motivational material. Hating your country sells.

    Frankly, people are torn, and don’t know whether to shit or wind their watch…or to shit on their watch…and they don’t trust their President – but they don’t trust their Democrat politicians either! And, sad to say, they have forgotton 9/11 – when the hammer falls on their heads (and it will), then maybe they will wake up. Our country will not unite until the hammer hits hard enough to make everyone fight our common enemy…everyone.

    So now we have a time of testing in government…the crooks and sheisters and pervs have headed for the hills, replaced by the idealists who have screamed bloody murder that they can do better…and what is left of the battered GOP are the ol’ guard dogs, ready for another round, and a not-so-stupid as he may seem (Congalton) CINC who might just have an ace left.

    Cheney, now emasculated, will be gonesky due to poor health, replaced by possibly the next candidate for a GOP pres. nomination…the new SECDEF will team with Condi, the CIA, and Mr. Baker to put a big toothy grin on the face of Iraq, and our guys will start getting some early outs for Christmas…Red’s prediction. Red out on a limb – Saddam will swing, help will arrive from other areas of the M. East, and before 2008 rolls around, youza! the fat lady’s warmin’ up.

  48. Rich from Paso
    November 12, 2006 at 3:44 pm

    Redneck, I have a better one: Since Pelosi is the first woman Speake of the House, the GOP will out do that one by making Condi the first black woman to be the Vice Prez. Hillary would soil herself if that happens. Right now, though, Speaker Nambla Pelosi will be a footnote in history. No! Better yet she will be a Jeopardy! question like “Who was Sally Ride?” only it will be “In 2006, she became th first woman Speaker of the House.” and the Question will be “Who was Nancy Pelosi?”

  49. craig
    November 13, 2006 at 12:43 am

    Wow! The terrorists are glad that the Democrats have won. What does that tell you??? They also said that they will not quit until the White House is crushed. If Pelosi and her gang get us out of Iraq early, our terror will be right here. Also, Lois Capps couldn’t lose in that district no matter how ineffective she is. Oh, and she will not serve more than one term – remember??? Liar

  50. Red Neckersniff
    November 13, 2006 at 1:48 am

    Rich, wouldn’t that be so cool if Condi were veep?…She is a brilliant woman, well spoken, experienced, calm in a crisis, willing to go the distance, and best of all, she has this cool stare at people that piss her off…the Rice mind meld. You just know she freaks the Arabs out. A black woman Christian who will roll your ass up!

    Craig, surely you don’t mean that they are serious, do you? It is only because nobody has truly given real diplomacy a chance! HA! And, don’t you DARE try to listen in on an American phone call without a warrant, either, mister! I don’t care if it IS Osama on the other end!! The next few years are going to be a real interesting ride…

    Did anybody catch the Opus strip in the Sunday funnies? all Republicans need to do yourself a favor and give it a read…you will do as I did and cut it out! It epitomizes what the other side of the aisle has been steamed about for YEARS!

  51. craig
    November 13, 2006 at 2:05 am

    Hey Red, while you worry about out government monitoring foreign phone calls from suspected terrorists, and truly believe that you can use diplomacy with people who hate us so deeply that they are willing to kill themselves to hurt us – and as they say – nothing will stop them. What could possibly make us believe that we could ever negotiate with them?

  52. Anonymous
    November 13, 2006 at 2:19 am

    ok red neck, craig and rich
    one question:

    why do they hate us?

  53. Rich from Paso
    November 13, 2006 at 3:12 am

    Anon: Who exactly are you talking about? Liberals or terrorists or both?

  54. JerryDinAZ
    November 13, 2006 at 5:18 am


  55. hodinr
    November 13, 2006 at 5:45 am

    BTW, Rich, how did that crow go down?

  56. Rich from Paso
    November 13, 2006 at 6:07 am

    I’ll tell you what I told Dave: Crow tastes like chicken with an aftertaste of asphault.

  57. Red Neckersniff
    November 13, 2006 at 6:27 am

    Craig…I guess I was just tooooo dry. I was being, like, sarcastic. JUST KIDDING, CRAIG!!!!

    Know this:

    I am a redneck, Ronald Reagan, rip-roarin’ conservative Republican. W.W. and Betty’s baby boy, conceived in a quonset hut in Okinawa and hatched in Sanger, CA. I love my country and spent my time as a volunteer in U. Sam’s finest defending it, as did W.W.. I have no time for those who would destroy us, except to destroy them first with superior firepower. I have learned that everything in life doesn’t go as planned, and everyone must adapt and improvise to overcome and to survive and to do well, which is how we won WW II over incredible enemy forces. I believe that to kick ass is the American way. There are those among us who would give our milk money to the playground bully…because that opens the door to solid and positive communications, and anything else would be problematic…I say screw all that, let’s kick his ass and take his milk money AND his lunch money, and then all of his friends’ too. I can hear ’em now, pounding on their keyboards, calling me an imperialist mongrel, the likes of Genghis!

    Well tough shit. We didn’t start this, get it? Go backwards in time, flower children…drift back. Who attacked who back in the 80’s? who is burning whose flag and shouting “death to America!”? who blew up our sailors, Marines, even our tourists? Hint – It wasn’t the Swedes…tic toc tic toc…If I am still the “hawk” redneck, then so be it, but I don’t think I stand alone, in spite of all the political b.s. that played out at the polls! These people are not going to give up because you voted liberals in, even if you are having a hissy fit about Republican misbehavior! get a clue!
    While you are busy cutting off your nose, someone might slip up behind you, and it won’t be your own countrymen, gents.

    ….I know that was kind of a long explanation, Craig…sorry. Get kinda wound up around my bed time.

  58. Red Neckersniff
    November 13, 2006 at 6:34 am

    my favorite recipe for crow is beer butt crow… You know, like the chicken recipe. I use the extra wide mouth Foster’s lager..just shove ‘er right on up there and let ‘er get all steamed up until it starts to get flakey, which doesn’t take long. Then when nothing comes out but just hot air, it’s ready to choke down. A little hard to swallow at first, sometimes bitter too, but ya get used to it after a while and it isn’t so bad…not like you eat it all the time, right? I even had some left overs, so I can share next time around, with all my friends here in the land of the free. Adios.

  59. Red Neckersniff
    November 13, 2006 at 6:39 am

    Why do the terrorists hate us? or liberals?

  60. Rich from Paso
    November 13, 2006 at 7:43 am

    redneck: I think he was asking about the terrorists. I will attempt to answer… The terrorists hate the UNited States because we do not follow the edicts of Islam pure and simple. We are decadent and follow almost none of the teachings of Mohammed. Even though a huge majority of Americans worship the exact same God the Muslim Islamofascists do, because do not submit to the will of God (the very definition of the word “muslim”) we are infidels. The Koran teaches that those who live the edicts of Islam are in a world at peace; those who do not live in a world of war. According to the Koran (as I understand it), it is okay to kill infidels, unless they repent and convert, because they live in a world of war. What Islam lacks is the Reformation that created the schism be Pretestants and Catholisms taht forced both sects of Christianity to modernize their ways of thinking. Islam has not had that Reformation and is being practiced exactly as it was written by Mohammed in the 7th Century AD. The imams across the muslim world are giving edicts handed down 1600 years ago. So back to why they hate us… the Islamofascists hate America because we represent 1) a modernizing force that undermines the imams ability to control the masses as they believe Mohammed and God wants it (remember the word Muslim means to submit to God), 2) we are decadent and infidels and therefore must be destroyed to preserve Islam, 3) since we do not worship Allah and we are an “evil” influence on the Muslim world, we are not human, even our children, and we all mut be killed.

    If he meant “why do liberals hate conservative”, I don’t know, that’s harder to figure out since we are all Americans, we jsut have different philosphies. I do know that the hearts of liberals are filled with hatred even though they refuse to acknowledge that hatred. Think I’m off my rocker? Consider: why is Bill Maher trying to “out” Ken Mehlman as gay? If liberals were as tolerant as they claim, Mehlman’s sexual orientation should be irrelavant, right? But since he is the campaign chairman for the RNC, he is siding with the enemy. To borrow language from the black civil rights movement – guys like Mehlman (if he is gay, I don’t know if he is), Foley, and Rev. Haggard are the enemy because they are not out and liberal. Since they are “in the closet” and Republicans they are “Uncle Toms” to the Gay, Lesbian movement and they must be outed and destroyed for not being out and liberal. That is the type of hatred that exists in the hearts of liberals for those who are not like them. Why is Chucky Schummer’s staff stealing Michael Steele’s Social Security Number? Because he is black and Republican and must be destroyed. Why was Janine Perrot’s divorce made public? Because she is Republican, a woman running against Hillary and she must be destroyed. Why did liberals side with Hezbollah (the terrorists) over Israel (a democracy)? Because they are strong, militarily active, Jews, and very conservative when it comes to national security and they are “oppressing” the palestinians and must be destroyed. yes, that’s right. Liberals want Israel destroyed for the exact same reason George W. Bush must be destroyed: they are illegal, immoral and unethical according to liberal orthodoxy. Why did Joe Lieberman, a pro-war liberal, have to face Ned Lamont, an anti-war liberal, for the Senate seat in CN? Because Joe betrayed the liberal establishment for siding with the illegal, immoral, and unethical President Bush and Joe had to be destroyed. Since they failed, they have to reign him in and paper over the wounds, but believe me, they tried to destroy him.

    For me the bottom line is: Liberals are nowhere near as tolerant and enightened as the wish us to believe and Republicans, if Bill Maher is to be believed, really is the “Big Tent” party that we claim to be.

    I use the word “destroy” a lot here, but it is a personal destruction of these people’s public persona, not actually killing them. Just so we understand each other.

  61. Rich from Paso
    November 13, 2006 at 7:51 am

    BTW, Donald Rumsfeld was a Navy pilot back in the 1950’s and retired with the rank of Captain (O-6) in the Navy Reserves in 1989. So jam that up your asses all you pissants that call Rumsfeld a “chickenhawk”. He has served more than all of you yellow-bellied, spineless, liberals combined because you all were too busy getting busy or getting an education (like Cheney) or too “sophisticated” to serve your country but feel entitled to bitch and moan about the military because it’s your God given right (if you actually believe in God). The dirty little secret is: Donald Rumsfeld’s military service, like mine, and civil service in both of his stints as the SecDef is what gives you the right and freedom to bitch about his performance.

  62. Conscience of the GOP
    November 14, 2006 at 2:15 am

    getting a little touchy there, are we now, rich?

  63. Rich from Paso
    November 14, 2006 at 2:30 am

    No, not really.

  64. Conscience of the GOP
    November 14, 2006 at 7:59 am

    the neo-con chickenhawks (excuse me, I mean the republican leadership) are eating don rumsfeld for breakfast. makes maher look rather milquetoast in comparison:

    Ken Adelman, quoted in the New Yorker:

    “He was in deep denial—deep, deep denial. And then he did a strange thing. He did fifteen or twenty minutes of posing questions to himself, and then answering them. He made the statement that we can only lose the war in America, that we can’t lose it in Iraq. And I tried to interrupt this interrogatory soliloquy to say, ‘Yes, we are actually losing the war in Iraq.’ He got upset and cut me off. He said, ‘Excuse me,’ and went right on with it.”

  65. Anonymous
    November 28, 2006 at 6:27 pm


  66. JerryDinAZ
    February 22, 2007 at 6:37 pm


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