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"Poor Ernie"?

I am very pleased with the Measure J debate we were able to offer Wednesday night between Vic Montgomery and Jim Patterson. Both men were articulate, intelligent and considerate to one another. I thought it was a good exchange underscored by mostly excellent comments from the callers. Thank you all for participating.

Still, I was struck by Bob from SLO’s call at the end. Normally I agree with Bob on the issues, but I was struck by his comment congratulating Measure J’s PR team on creating the “Poor Ernie” strategy to sell the vote and there was more than a hint of sarcasm to Bob’s voice.

Poor Ernie? It’s all just a PR strategy??? Sorry, I’m not buying that. The facts speak for themselves: (1) the Dalidio family has been part of the Central Coast for generations and they’ve always been regarded as respectful stewards of the land. These are good people; (2) despite winning a 3-1 vote from the SLO city council to approve the original project, Dalidio was defeated by a special election, FINANCED TOTALLY BY DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS, by around 300 votes; (3) now those same property owners are back, hiding behind an LLC, throwing out of sorts of crappy scare tactics about Ernie, i.e. Wal Mart is coming or he’s going to sell and skip town. Meanwhile (4) Kelly Gearhart and the Madonna family cruise through with their projects.

Ernie Dalidio is being singled out for special treatment. His character has been attacked repeatedly. It is a further insult to suggest his plight is merely a “PR strategy.”

Actually, it’s the “no” folks who need help from Barnett Cox — they have mounted the single worst political campaign I have seen in twenty years on the Central Coast — truly the Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight.

Vote Yes on Measure J.

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  1. Stacie L.
    November 2, 2006 at 12:44 pm

    I can’t help but be peeved about this Measure J. There are pros and cons across the board. What stands out most to me is that the entire lengthy situation is full of hypocrisies. I have always been a huge proponent of slow ‘SLO’ growth. However I do not think it is ethical for voters/tax payers/residents to say yes to some big box stores and national chains and no to others. I understand the history of the SLO downtown vs. the Madonna Plaza as it pertains to battling for the almighty dollar. What I don’t understand are local business owners (mainly in the downtown SLO area) taking on Ernie Dalidio in an all out war. The San Luis Obispo downtown is well established; it’s not the waning downtown of the late 1980’s. Additionally, for those against the project(s) proposed by Ernie Dalidio, over the last 15 years, to continue to point out the traffic congestion and financial burden as only a problem that will result if Measure J is passed is ridiculous. The Prado Road (or any freeway interchange) area has never been funded by the city or county historically because it was an attempt to contain growth beginning back in the 1960’s and 1970’s. While this was a novel idea of civil engineers/planners to think they could assume voters would sustain their vision, those who have not been for containing growth (you know who you are: Costco, Home Depot, The Gap, Victoria’s Secret, A&F shoppers…just to name a few), have brought this upon themselves. We live in a democracy which means if you are going to allow box stores and national chains to open in San Luis Obispo, you can’t use the same reason as a pro for one company and a con for another. It irks me to no end that our tax money has been wasted to protect the interests of downtown retailers who simply put, feel threatened by competitive commerce in a democracy. Ernie Dalidio scaled back original plans for his property to exclude originally planned small retail stores in response to smaller, local business owners concerns for their welfare. Those campaigning against Measure J have never been concerned with the issues they raise now against Measure J: traffic and fiscal impact. If they had been, we wouldn’t have the above mentioned big box stores or national chains in our midst.

    I have no affiliation with either side of Measure J – I am simply someone in my early thirties who has grown up in San Luis Obispo, own a home (amazingly!) and work a 40-hour week job, am trying to finish college and wish SLO was still SLO Town – it is no longer.

  2. JerryDinAZ
    November 2, 2006 at 1:08 pm

    DAVE WELL PUT! BOTTOM LINE IS SLO POLITICS SMELLS BAD AND HAS FOR QUITE A WHILE. MEASURE J SETS A NEW STANDARD AND ERNIE IS THE FLAG BEARER SINCE ALEX IS GONE (GOD REST HIS SOUL)
    THE DOWNTOWN PUFFED SHIRTS ARE COMING TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE SAYING “WHAT YOU RESIST…PERSISTS”. THE SLO DOWNTOWN IS DEAD GUYS! AT THIS POINT THERE IS NO SAVING IT…SO BE IT. THE “OLD MONEY” CRY BABIES WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE, AS WILL THE ENVIRONAZIS AND IT’S ABOUT TIME!
    YA’LL KEEP THIS UP AND I MAY JUST MOVE BACK AND TAKE ON THE AMAZON WOMEN AND GET THAT TOWN SQUARED AWAY!

  3. brett
    November 2, 2006 at 3:39 pm

    Dave, give me a fricken break. The developers have made their campaign all about “poor old ernie”. Should I go down the list?.

    You’ve got some strange belief that once your elected representatives make a decision, the electorate, in this case City residents should just sit back and swallow that decision regardless.

    The City Council did not listen to the community and low and behold the citizens actually gathered enough signatures to put a referendum on the ballot and the VOTERS chose not to accept Ernie’s project.

    How is it that a developer who has been working on a project for “15 years”, I put that in quotes because it really is more like 5 years can’t bring a project forward that the community would support?.. (Dalidio likes to say he started “working” on the project since the Land Use Element was adopted in 1994, hence the 15 year timeframe.)

    Even if you believed that 25% of the residents never want to see a development on the farm land that still leaves 75% who wouldn’t be against some kind of development on the property.

    If County voters actually looked at the project and its ramifications they’d vote a resounding NO. The developers know that as well and they’ve gone the “poor old Ernie” route. It’s that simple.

  4. Dave Congalton
    November 2, 2006 at 4:28 pm

    I forgot to mention that if you missed the debate, you can listen or download the podcast posted at http://www.920kvec.com

  5. JerryDinAZ
    November 2, 2006 at 9:16 pm

    BRENT OL BOY! THE VOTERS HAVE LOOKED AT IT…AND IT WILL PASS. WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE? SEEMS YOU LIKE IT THAT WAY, UNLESS ITS NOT GOING YOUR WAY! SWALLOW DEEP, AND CHALK IT UP TO EXPERIANCE. ANNEX AND CONTROL THE LAND OR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE.
    I WONDER WHAT FOUL YOU WILL BE CRYING NEXT WEDNESDAY WHEN ALL YOU DUMMYCANTS LOSE. VOTER FRAUD? JUST LIKE IN 2000? YOU STUPID ASS NANCYCRATS WILL NEVER JUST GET THAT YOU LOST AN ELECTION AND THE SOUL OF YOUR PARTY TO THE FILTHY RICH ELITE LEFTIST RADICALS. BUCK UP LIL BUCKAROO! POLITICS IS NOT FOR THE WEAK OF STOMACH!
    I’LL BET YOU ANOTHER $100 THAT YOU WILL SHOP OR EAT THERE. BET?

  6. Brett
    November 2, 2006 at 9:25 pm

    Jerry what makes you believe I have any affiliation with the Democratic party?.

  7. JerryDinAZ
    November 2, 2006 at 9:33 pm

    LIBERAL ELITEST HYPOCRACY!

    FILMMAKER MICHAEL MOORE INSISTS THAT CORPORATIONS ARE EVIL AND CLAIMS HE DOESN’T INVEST IN THE STOCK MARKET DUE TO MORAL PRINCIPLE. BUT MOORE’S IRS FORMS SHOW THAT OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HE HAS OWNED SHARES IN SUCH CORPORATE GIANTS AS HALLIBURTON, MERCK, PFIZER, SUNOCO, TENET HEALTHCARE, FORD, GENERAL ELECTRIC AND MCDONALD’S.
    REP. NANCY PELOSI (CALIF.) HAS RECEIVED THE CESAR CHAVEZ AWARD FROM THE UNITED FARM WORKERS UNION. BUT THE $25 MILLION NORTHERN CALIFORNIA VINEYARD SHE AND HER HUSBAND OWN IS A NON-UNION SHOP.
    THE HYPOCRISY DOESN’T END THERE. PELOSI HAS RECEIVED MORE MONEY FROM THE HOTEL EMPLOYEES AND RESTAURANT EMPLOYEES UNION THAN ANY OTHER MEMBER OF CONGRESS IN RECENT ELECTION CYCLES.
    BUT THE PELOSIS OWN A LARGE STAKE IN AN EXCLUSIVE HOTEL IN RUTHERFORD, CALIF. IT HAS MORE THAN 250 EMPLOYEES. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE IN A UNION.
    THE PELOSIS ARE ALSO PARTNERS IN A RESTAURANT CHAIN CALLED PIATTI, WHICH HAS 900 EMPLOYEES. THE CHAIN IS – THAT’S RIGHT, A NON-UNION SHOP.
    RALPH NADER IS ANOTHER LIBERAL WHO CLAIMS THAT UNIONS ARE ESSENTIAL TO PROTECT WORKER RIGHTS. BUT WHEN AN EDITOR OF ONE OF HIS PUBLICATIONS TRIED TO FORM A UNION TO AMELIORATE MISERABLE WORKING CONDITIONS, THE EDITOR WAS FIRED AND THE LOCKS CHANGED ON THE OFFICE DOOR.
    NOAM CHOMSKY HAS DESCRIBED THE PENTAGON AS “THE MOST VILE INSTITUTION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH” AND LASHED OUT AGAINST TAX HAVENS AND TRUSTS THAT BENEFIT ONLY THE RICH.
    BUT CHOMSKY HAS BEEN PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY THE PENTAGON OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS, AND HE USED A VENERABLE LAW FIRM TO SET UP HIS IRREVOCABLE TRUST TO SHIELD HIS ASSETS FROM THE IRS.
    AL FRANKEN SAYS CONSERVATIVES ARE RACIST BECAUSE THEY LACK DIVERSITY AND OPPOSE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. BUT FEWER THAN 1 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE HE HAS HIRED OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS HAVE BEEN AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
    TED KENNEDY HAS FOUGHT FOR THE ESTATE TAX AND SPOKEN OUT AGAINST TAX SHELTERS. BUT HE HAS REPEATEDLY BENEFITED FROM AN INTRICATE WEB OF TRUSTS AND PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS THAT HAVE SHIELDED MOST OF HIS FAMILY’S FORTUNE FROM THE IRS.
    ONE KENNEDY FAMILY TRUST WASN’T EVEN SET UP IN THE U.S., BUT IN FIJI.
    ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER, ENVIRONMENTALIST
    ROBERT KENNEDY JR. , HAS SAID THAT IT IS NOT MORAL TO PROFIT FROM NATURAL RESOURCES. BUT HE RECEIVES AN ANNUAL CHECK FROM THE FAMILY’S LARGE HOLDINGS IN THE OIL INDUSTRY.
    BARBRA STREISAND HAS TALKED ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF UNIONS TO PROTECT A “LIVING WAGE.” BUT SHE PREFERS TO DO HER FILMING AND POSTPRODUCTION WORK IN CANADA, WHERE SHE CAN PAY LESS THAN AMERICAN UNION WAGES.
    BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON HAVE SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF THE ESTATE TAX, AND IN 2000 BILL VETOED A BILL SEEKING TO END IT. BUT THE CLINTONS HAVE SET UP A CONTRACT TRUST THAT ALLOWS THEM TO SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF INHERITANCE TAX THEIR ESTATE WILL PAY WHEN THEY DIE.
    HILLARY, FOR HER PART, HAS WRITTEN AND SPOKEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE RIGHT OF CHILDREN TO MAKE MAJOR DECISIONS REGARDING THEIR OWN LIVES, INCLUDING HAVING ABORTIONS WITHOUT PARENTAL NOTIFICATION.
    BUT SHE BARRED 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER CHELSEA FROM GETTING HER EARS PIERCED AND FORBID THE TEEN FROM WATCHING MTV OR HBO.
    GEORGE SOROS SAYS THE WEALTHY SHOULD PAY HIGHER, MORE PROGRESSIVE TAX RATES. BUT HE HOLDS THE BULK OF HIS MONEY IN TAX-FREE OVERSEAS ACCOUNTS IN CURACAO, BERMUDA AND THE CAYMAN ISLANDS.
    “LIBERALS CLAIM TO SUPPORT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BUT DON’T PRACTICE IT. THEY SUPPORT HIGHER TAXES BUT SET UP COMPLICATED TAX SHELTERS TO AVOID PAYING THEM. THEY CLAIM TO BE ARDENT ENVIRONMENTALISTS BUT ABANDON THEIR CAUSE WHEN IT IMPINGES ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY RIGHTS.
    “THE REALITY IS THAT LIBERALS LIKE TO PREACH IN MORAL PLATITUDES. THEY LIKE TO CONDEMN ORDINARY AMERICANS AND REPUBLICANS FOR A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS – RACISM, LACK OF CONCERN FOR THE POOR, POLLUTING THE ENVIRONMENT, AND GREED.

    “BUT WHEN IT COMES TO APPLYING THOSE SAME STANDARDS TO THEMSELVES, LIBERALS ARE FOUND TO BE SHOCKINGLY GUILTY OF HYPOCRISY.

    REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE ON TUESDAY!

  8. JerryDinAZ
    November 2, 2006 at 9:34 pm

    DUH…BRENT! I READ WHAT YOU SAY, AND THEY DON’T COME ANY LEFTER THAN YOU!

  9. adam hill
    November 2, 2006 at 9:57 pm

    I guess you haven’t read the initiative nor any of the impartial reports, which is too bad.

    I cold care less about “Ernie.” I do not think living here a long time, bring rich, and cultivating powerful friends (via campaign donations and such) entitles someone to build a mega mall. But I guess you do.

    Your arguments FOR J have NOTHING to do with the initiative or the impacts, you simply don’t like the opposition and how they’ve handled their campaign, and think Ernie is worthier of your bully pulpit.

    Had you actually addressed the initiative and the impartial reports and THEN came to your conclusion, I would have respect for it. But you’ve been sandbagged by a slick PR campaign, Dave.

    That is too bad, my friend.

  10. Brett
    November 3, 2006 at 1:40 am

    “DUH…BRENT! I READ WHAT YOU SAY, AND THEY DON’T COME ANY LEFTER THAN YOU!”

    Ok Jerry,you’ve made a statement now support your argument. Show examples of what I’ve written that makes me more left than anyone else there is.

    You’ve got a big mouth Jerry so back up your blather.

  11. Mrs. Pelosi
    November 3, 2006 at 2:57 am

    I’m going to make Jerryd love me come Tuesday

  12. Anonymous
    November 3, 2006 at 5:00 am

    It seems to me that most Pro J folks, including Dave Congalton, are still hung up about losing the referendum in 2005. Instead of getting over that and coming back with a smaller project that met the city general plan and would gain communtiy consensus, they used this very divisive initiative process. Even it it wins, it will be a hollow victory. They have simply set the stage for a battle with the city, whose cooperation is absolutely needed to make this project work. The bottom Line: win or lose, there will be no project on that property for many years. That didn’t have to happen. But as they say, before you seek revenge, dig two graves.

  13. Bob from San Luis
    November 3, 2006 at 5:57 am

    The part that I did not do a good job of explaining when I called in to Dave’s show that this posting is about, is my contention that when the rich and powerful come up against a rule, an ordinance or law that does not allow them to something that they want to do, they will portray themselves as being “victimized” by “the system” or “the government” or in this case, “the people” of San Luis. Yes, I know the initiative measure was voted on with the most slim measure that it could be decided on, but I do agree with anonymous commentator about Mr. Dalidio scaling back his project and/or implementing changes that would make it more desirable and then bringing it back to the city. I also agree that the city will have some very strong influence on this project’s outcome. The voters in San Luis Obispo county that vote for measure J will have many reasons to vote as they do, I just wonder how many will voting for the measure simply as a F.U. to the citizens of San Luis Obispo city.

  14. JerryDinAZ
    November 3, 2006 at 4:54 pm

    YA KNOW BOB… THE GOOD OL LIBERAL NO GROWTHERS TAX SUPPORTED, DOWNTOWN GOOD OL BOYS OF SLO CITY NEED A GOOD “FU” TO WAKE EM UP!

    GREAT POINT! AT LAST WE AGREE!

    BEND OVER SLO! WE ARE DOING THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!

    PS: DOWNTOWN SLO…YOU DONT NEED TO BEND OVER, THAT WOULD BE NECROPHILIA!

  15. Marianne
    November 4, 2006 at 5:24 am

    Jerry

    You have got to be the most obnoxious human being that I’ve ever heard or experienced.

  16. The New Tone of San Luis Obispo
    November 4, 2006 at 7:01 pm

    Dave, well put. Mr. Dalidio has been working on this project. As a native SLO Residence for over 5 generations, I believe I am going to vote Yes on J. Not because I want the stores there, but because it is fair to allow stores to be built in an area surrounded by stores and the sewer farm.

    All of the LAites can take their crappy ideas with them on their long bus ride back to where they came from. Many areas of SLO used to be open space, but this is a nice place to live and all of SLO is build on good farming ground. That is the way it is. Sad, but a fact of life.

    We all need to get over it, manage what we have well, and let the individual freedoms reign. I am not willing to give up all my rights so that Mr. Copeland or Mr. Gearhart can make more profit.

  17. molly in los osos
    November 4, 2006 at 11:13 pm

    Jerry,

    You seem to have volumes of hate for anyone who does not think like you.I’ll admit I could might be mad too if I was banished from slo county to the desert but…..Did they teach you that hate talk in Arizona?….What happened to peace,love and understanding?

  18. Anonymous
    November 5, 2006 at 7:00 pm

    With one to two days before the election, other means of getting-out the message to oppose MEASURE J are crucial; as many people ignore messages both ‘FOR’ and ‘AGAINST’ MEASURE J e.g., all of those MEASURE J signs.

    Since only a tiny percentage of voters are actually swayed by blogs, now is the time for “old fashioned word of mouth” to collectively sway voters to oppose MEASURE J; as again, many people have become indifferent to all of the ‘FOR’ and ‘AGAINST’ messages.

    * Word of mouth is what’s worth repeating, again and again for the first time!

    * Two points needing discussion:

    — The Dalidio development won’t produce living wage jobs.

    — MEASURE J IS JUST ANOTHER ELEPHANT DEVELOPMENT!

    Yes, this can generate laughs, but is also frames the message as “the elephant” is a metaphor of a large, disorganized, unpredictable beast; which obviously describes the Dalidio development proposals!

  19. Guy Murray
    November 5, 2006 at 7:30 pm

    Dave, Thanks for the information on Measure J, and for hosting the debates. I wasn’t going to go public with my opinion, until the Nipomo Community Services District decided they should weigh in on a matter so obviously out of their jurisdiction, that it made my head spin. I support Measure J for the very reasons you outline in your post. Mr. Dalidio deserves to be able to develop his property. I am supporting measure J. This project is a well planned, thought out project. It will be a great contribution to San Luis Obispo County.

    Regards,

    Guy Murray
    Nipomo News

  20. The New Tone of San Luis Obispo
    November 5, 2006 at 10:40 pm

    I can’t believe I agree with GUY MURRAY! THis has got to be a first!

    Congratulation!

  21. Anonymous
    November 5, 2006 at 11:55 pm

    The New Tone of San Luis Obispo said…
    I can’t believe I agree with GUY MURRAY! THis has got to be a first!

    Congratulation!

    That only shows both of you are making a poor decision along with Dave.

  22. Anonymous
    November 6, 2006 at 4:07 am

    The Nipomo CSD voting on something out of their jurisdiction? Really. Then I’d guess you’d have to agree that everyone else who lives in Nipomo is doing the same thing. Of course, that would be logical. And most people who support Meaure J don’t want to go there.

  23. The New Tone of San Luis Obispo
    November 6, 2006 at 6:01 am

    I guess since it is in the county, that the whole county has the right to vote on it.

    Since the funds for the overpass will not effect Nipomo, or any other city like Arroyo Grande for that matter, it is not right for them to have a position on it either as a City. As individual that is fine, but I think it wrong to take an official position.

  24. JerryDinAZ
    November 6, 2006 at 3:13 pm

    MOLLY & MARIANNE…
    TAKE A TRIP TO THE NEW TARGET AND GET A NICE THERAPUTIC RELAXING BATH GEL (CHEAP!)…THEN BATHE AWAY ALL THOSE JUDGEMENTS AND FRUSTRATIONS.
    IF MY SPEECH IS HATE SPEECH YOU HAVE MORE TO DEAL WITH THAN ME! YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN SLO COUNTY THAT WILL PASS MEASURE J.
    CALL BRENT AND YOU 3 CAN HUG THE NEW TREE I AM SENDING HIM…IT’S SMALL BUT NEEDS YOUR LOVE!
    AS FOR ME…I’M GOING SHOPPING!
    WEEEEEEEEEEE!

  25. Anonymous
    November 7, 2006 at 5:13 am

    It’s okay jerry, you can have your stores…stores are good…we all love stores and we love you….now just put down the weapon and we can go to Target and buy a giant tub of cheap caramel corn. Won’t that be nice?

  26. mrs. pelosi
    November 8, 2006 at 4:30 am

    jerry it is time for me to make you love me

  27. JerryDinAZ
    November 8, 2006 at 5:55 am

    WAY TO GO ERNIE!
    YAHOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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