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All 16 U.S. Intelligence Agencies Agree

I know our friend Rich will figure out some way to dismiss this, but once again we are reminded what a debacle Iraq has become. Here, as the opening part of the LA Times article indicates, it is the fact that our invasion of Iraq is fanning radicalism and Iraq has become a training ground for terrorism. Thank you, Mr. President!

“The war in Iraq has made global terrorism worse by fanning Islamic radicalism and providing a training ground for lethal methods that are increasingly being exported to other countries, according to a sweeping assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The classified document, which represents a consensus view of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, paints a considerably bleaker picture of the impact of the Iraq war than Bush administration or U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged publicly, according to officials familiar with the assessment.

“They conclude that the Iraq war has made it worse,” said a government official familiar with the document who spoke on condition of anonymity because of its classified nature.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney repeatedly have described the war in Iraq as the central front in the war on terrorism and argue that Americans are safer as a result of the administration’s policies.

The report, titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,” was completed and described to U.S. government officials in April but not made public. The document is what is known as a National Intelligence Estimate, or NIE, which is designed to represent the U.S. intelligence community’s most comprehensive treatment of a subject.

The 30-page report documents an array of disturbing trends in the war on terrorism and focuses on forces that are contributing to the evolution of Islamic terrorist networks from centralized structures to an increasingly fragmented ideological movement.

“It paints a fairly stark picture of what we all know, and that this is a movement that is spreading and gaining momentum around the world,” said the official familiar with the document. “Things like the Iraq war have given the terrorists recruiting tools and places to ply their trade and a training ground.”

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  1. Chuckman
    September 24, 2006 at 4:40 pm

    This is what the N.Y. Times had to say this morning on the editorial page:

    While Iraq is a central issue in this year’s election campaigns, there is very little clear talk about what to do, beyond vague recommendations for staying the course or long-term timetables for withdrawal. That is because politicians running for election want to deliver good news, and there is nothing about Iraq — including withdrawal scenarios — that is anything but ominous.

    In the real Iraq, armed Shiite and Kurdish parties have divided up the eastern two-thirds of the country, leaving Sunni insurgents and American marines to fight over the rest. Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki and his “national unity cabinet” stretch out their arms to like-thinking allies like Iran and Hezbollah, but barely lift a finger to rein in the sectarian militias and death squads spreading terror across Baghdad and the Shiite south.

    The civilian death toll is now running at roughly 100 a day, with many of the victims gruesomely tortured with power tools or acid. Over the summer, more Iraqi civilians died violent deaths each month than the number of Americans lost to terrorism on Sept. 11. Meanwhile, the electricity remains off, oil production depressed, unemployment pervasive and basic services hard to find.

    Iraq is today a broken, war-torn country. Outside the relatively stable Kurdish northeast, virtually every family — Sunni or Shiite, rich or poor, powerful or powerless — must cope with fear and physical insecurity on an almost daily basis. The courts, when they function at all, are subject to political interference; street-corner justice is filling the vacuum. Religious courts are asserting their power over family life. Women’s rights are in retreat.

    Growing violence, not growing democracy, is the dominant feature of Iraqi life. Every Iraqi knows this. Americans need to know it too.

    Beyond the futility of simply staying the course lies the impossibility of keeping the bulk of American ground forces stationed in Iraq indefinitely. They have already been there for 42 months, longer than it took the United States to defeat Hitler. The strain is undermining the long-term strength of the Army and Marines, threatening to divert the National Guard from homeland security and emboldening Iran and North Korea. Yet with the military situation deteriorating, the Pentagon has had to give up any idea of significant withdrawals this year, or for that matter anytime in the foreseeable future.

    If there is still a constructive way out of this disaster, it has to begin with some truth-telling. Politicians are not going to press for serious solutions when their constituents have not been prepared to understand what the real options are. Republicans will not talk about genuine alternatives as long as their supporters have been primed to believe victory is possible. Few Democrats will advocate anything that might wind up transferring responsibility for this awful mess to them.

    Acknowledging the hard facts of today’s Iraq must be more than a political talking point for the president’s opponents. It is the only possible beginning to a serious national discussion about what kind of American policy has the best chance of retrieving whatever can still be retrieved in Iraq and minimizing the damage to wider American interests.

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  2. Rich from Paso
    September 24, 2006 at 6:02 pm

    I haven’t read the NIE because I don’t have sources leaking it to me. I prefer to raead the actual document instead of accepting the MSM interpretation.

    That said, after talking to friends of mine in the Special Operation community, they tell me that the biggest failure of the current strategy is that our that our troops are doing what the democrats want, that being getting out of the cities and staying in their FOBs. They say what needs to happen is that focus should go from brigade and battalion areas of responsibility (AORs) to company and platoon AORs. When the infantry company commanders and platoon leaders are charged with a certain number of city blocks, they will have to go out and build relationships with the local tribe leaders and will have to live amoung the Iraqis. Then the Iraqis will have more security with the troops right there and will give up the insurgents and terrorists and we will start to run down the death squads. With this approach, the death squads will not have safe havens in the cities. That is the first step to securing the cities. And then we have the motorized armor and field artillery troops on the FOBs as a quick reaction force for those soldiers in the city. They also said that we need to adopt the Marine deployment strategy of rotating troops every 6 months instead of a year. I am also ready to concede that we need about 175K to 200K troops in Iraq. That increase in troops will go to the borders and seal the border against infiltration by outside terrorist influences. With our troops on the border and our soldiers in the cities, the Iraqi troops and police that are trained and deployed, we marry police and Iraqi troops with those platoons in the cities and the battalions on the border. That will increase the numbers of security forces to about 600,000 and triple the amount of security and will deny insurgents and terrorists any room to train and terrorize the Iraqi

    Look, my bottom line on Iraq is this: America, not just Bush or the military, is responsible for the mess in Iraq. To throw in the towel and run home with our tails between our legs would be irresponsible. If you people think it is bad now, just imagine us out of their and the factions in Iraq start vying for power. The levels of bloodshed would surpass Rwanda. I am not against trying different methods of winning in Iraq, but for guys like Dave to say “I told you so” about Iraq is useless and counter-productive. Leaving Iraq is just not an option.

  3. JerryDinAZ
    September 24, 2006 at 7:27 pm

    NEWSFLASH! WASHINGTON DC
    PRESIDENT CLINTON BLOWS A GASKET DURING INTERVIEW ON FOX NEWS stop
    DOCTORS PRESCRIBE BED REST, PROZAC AND NO SEX FOR 8 WEEKS stop
    WOMEN ACROSS AMERICA ARE VERY CONCERNED…NOT ABOUT HIS HEALTH BUT THE LACK OF PRESIDENTIAL POOTANG FOR 8 WEEKS stop
    FOX NEWS MAINTENANCE WORKERS FILE WORKERS COMPENSATION CLAIMS AFTER BEING ORDERED TO CLEAN UP CLINTON’S BS stop

    WOMAN INDICTED FOR KILLING UNBORN BABY…THE NATIONS ABORTION DOCTORS CALL THE ACLU FOR SUPPORT stop

  4. Rich from Paso
    September 24, 2006 at 10:29 pm

    Jerry, a follow up to your newsflash:

    AP NEWSWIRE: Former President Bill Clinton, in a delerium following heavy sedation, ranted that Monica was a plant by Karl Rove in an attempt to ruin Clinton’s legacy and that ClintonCare was actually Rove’s idea.

  5. JerryDinAZ
    September 25, 2006 at 12:15 am

    LA TIMES?? DOES ANYONE STILL READ THAT LIBERAL RAG? IF SO…WHY ARE SUBSCRIPTIONS AND ADVERTISING DOWN BY SUCH A HUGE PERCENTAGE?
    SOMEBODY’S REACHING…DON’T REACH TO FAR, YOU MAY FALL IN IT!

  6. the voice of reason
    September 25, 2006 at 1:23 am

    Rich and Jerry

    You guys are starting to sound PATHETIC!!! Is that the best you can do?
    Rich – so the troops are following the Dems? How and where are you getting this? So, let me get this straight, Bush put us there, screwed everything up royally both by invading a sovereign nation and then not putting the right troop strength there to secure it, and somehow it’s the democrats, and America’s problem? You, sir, are REALLY reaching.

    Jerry – Your obsession with sex is really starting to affect your posting. Do us all a favor. Since you’re obviously not getting it at home, take the short drive to Parump, NV and invest in a little “pootang” (sic). And really, try to check your spelling.

  7. the voice of reason
    September 25, 2006 at 1:30 am

    Oh, by the way;

    have either of you neocons checked out what Clintons’ Global Initiative has accomplished and is in the process of doing? Now that is a President! He could sit on his fat ass and do nothing! But he is actually trying to do some good. Cant wait to see what old dubyah does when he’s out of office. Probably drive a couple more companies into the ground. (thank God only 2 more years – we can mke it, we can make it)

  8. the voice of reason
    September 25, 2006 at 1:34 am

    One more thing

    I guess Richard Branson is as mistaken as all the rest of us liberals – 3 BILLION $ to the Clinton Global Initiative to help combat Global Warming. Yeah, I know, what does he know? One of the most succesful businessmen of our time – what an idiot, huh?

  9. JerryDinAZ
    September 25, 2006 at 3:46 am

    GLOBAL INITIATIVE IS FOR CURING AIDS SO CLINTON’S FRIENDS WONT DIE…

  10. Rich from Paso
    September 25, 2006 at 5:09 am

    Look, Voice, I am the military guy here and I know what I am talking about. I didn’t say that it was the Democrats fault except that they said we should leave the cities. If you look back at what Kerry, Murtha and the Dems said, it was “we are creating terrorists by walking the streets inciting violence.” So we left the cities. I say we go not only back to the cities, but into the neighborhoods and we stay until the bad guys are all dead or the Iraqis got it without us. Just asking here, but how many people in the military do you know? I’m guessing the answer to that is ZERO just like you don’t know the names of any cops, bug exterminators, mailcarriers or trash collectors; all the people beneath your station, Mr Pompous liberal. Furthermore, if your Democrats felt so strongly about getting out of Iraq, they wouldn’t have authorized more money to be spent there.

    By the way it is EX President. Too bad Clinton could do any good while he was the most powerful man in the world. Hell, he just had 8 freaking years to exercise that kind of power. Guess he needed to leave office to do some good. Just like another worthless Democrat, Carter.

  11. Red Neckersniff
    September 25, 2006 at 5:44 am

    You ol’ boys git pretty excited here! I think I’m gonna enjoy visitin’ here from time to time, for a spirited exchange or two…

    seems to me that ya’ll gotta consider that ol Bill, when he was talkin’ to that reporter feller, well, he

  12. Red Neckersniff
    September 25, 2006 at 6:10 am

    Hey, you ol’ boys git pretty spirited here! I might enjoy tossin’ in with ya, if ya don’t mind, I’m kinda new around these parts, and there ain’t too many friendly campfires…

    Seems to me that when ol’ Bill was spoutin’ off to that reporter about goin’ after that Been Laden, he got a little ouchey, just like when he was a-talkin’ about gittin a little hooty-hoo-hoo from you know who-who…which turned out to be tru-tru…Ya know, sometimes folks get a little heated up when they are guilty as hell ’bout somethin, and the quickest way to fend off the gators is to git to pointin a finger somwhere’s else!! Been there, done that. Mighta been married to a Hillary too, once or twice. Survived. Thank ya Lord. Anyways, even that reporter fella says he was kinda shocked at how ol’ Bill just got his panties all up in a wad, like right now. Tell ya one thing, those liberals on the chat were more than a little p.o.’ed at Fox this time! Well, what the hell…I think Fox otta just buy the LA Times and call it good. Some folks would bust their doo-doo vein and have to be CPR’ed.

    Now as for the rest of it, I can only say this. Those “anonymous official” reports hold as much weight as my Aunt Maudie when she’s drunk. No credibility, fellers. Besides, wasn’t it the entire “Intelligence Community” (now that’s a phrase I wouldn’t throw around the barn too much) that supposedly gave ol’ W and company the wrong info for goin’ in anyway? Least that’s what ya’ll kept shovin’ up our asses, wasn’t it? So why are ya so fired up to supposedly believe ’em now? Why, maybe because they has themselves a little agenda that matches your’n. Far as I’m concerned, any one of ’em who gave one document, just one, to that bed wettin’ left handed rag NY Times, otta be shot.

    That said, maybe ya’ll otta pay attention to ol Rich, seein as how he is the only one who has some in-the-dirt knowledge. I’ll kick a door with you any day of the week Rich. I aint so sure ’bout these other fellers.

  13. Red Neckersniff
    September 25, 2006 at 6:29 am

    Oh before I forget, Voice, the reason ol’ Bill is workin’ his ass off on all this humanitarian stuff is so’s he can change his legacy! I would say that with help of all the damn liberals out there he would git ‘er done, but there are enough of fellers like me who will tell our grandkids the truth. That said, I will say man to man, job well done for raisin’ the dough. I like it when little Jimmy builds those habitat houses, too, but I don’t respect his dumb ass politics that got us into such a world o’ hurt way back then.

    At least Bill doesn’t go around demeaning his country and the sitting President like some others. Ya expect it comin’ from Sean Penn and George Looney, an’ all the rest o’them dinks. They aint got the brains God gave a goose. But when a former President does it, it definitely gives UBL and the Taliban a shot in the arm and confirms in their eyes that we are weak…and this from a guy who got the Nobel…but then again so did Yassir Arafat.

    Good Lord, even ol’ Charlie Rangel, who leans so far left he walks with a support staff, denounced that nut from Venezuela, Chavez, for badmouthing our President and our country while he was a guest on our turf! Right on Charlie…

  14. the voice of reason
    September 25, 2006 at 1:33 pm

    Rich

    I know four people in the military – two on active duty in Iraq. One is a friend, the other the son of a friend. I support them doing there job. I don’t support their boss. What does me knowing someone in the military have to do with anything? I work a blue collar job (in construction); I mountain bike with my mail carrier. I know one female SLO cop; sorry, don’t know any exterminators or trash collectors – they all make way more $$ than me! What is your point?

    You guys are just pissed because Clinton had the balls to stand up to your precious FAUX news and set the record straight. I’ve watched the interview 3 times and read the transcript. What can I say, he answered the questions well, and stuck to his guns. READ Clarkes book – its all there like Clinton says.

    Redneck – maybe Clinton is trying to do some GOOD? Ever think of that?

    Jerry – that ‘AIDS’ crack was low even for you.

  15. JerryDinAZ
    September 25, 2006 at 2:09 pm

    LIBERAL NEWS RAGS ONCE AGAIN COMMIT TREASON AS THEY IRRESPONSIBLY PUBLISH “CHERRY PICKED” SECTIONS OF A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT AND THE SMALL ROOKIE FISH BOUGHT IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER…
    SAD ISN’T IT? FAILING NEWSPAPERS AND DESPERATE DEMO CANTS JOINING FORCES TO TRY AND TURN THE REPUBLICAN TIDE!
    LET’S ALL HOPE IN NOVEMBER WHEN THEY GET THEIR DOSE OF REPUBLICAN REALITY THEY WILL SHUT UP AND LET US RUN THIS GREAT COUNTRY!

  16. JerryDinAZ
    September 25, 2006 at 4:17 pm

    TOP TEN CHAPTER TITLES IN BILL CLINTON’S MEMOIRS

    10. “I’M WRITING THIS CHAPTER NAKED”
    9. “I PRAY HILLARY DOESN’T READ PAGES 6, 18, 41-49, 76 AND EVERYTHING PAST 200”
    8. “PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION: HOW TO GET GRAVY STAINS OUT OF THE PARCHMENT”
    7. “A FEW OF MY FAVORITE SUBPOENAS”
    6. “FROM GENNIFER TO PAULA TO MONICA: WHY IT PAYS TO KEEP LOWERING YOUR STANDARDS”
    5. “1995-1998: THE EXTRA-PASTY YEARS”
    4. “KNEEL TO THE CHIEF”
    3. “WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH THAT MORON YOU GUYS REPLACED ME WITH?”
    2. “NAFTA — BRINGING AMERICA INTO… AH SCREW THAT, WHO WANTS TO READ SOME MORE ABOUT BUBBA GETTIN’ DOWN?”
    1. “THE NIGHT I ACCIDENTALLY SLEPT WITH HILLARY”

  17. Rich from Paso
    September 25, 2006 at 5:26 pm

    Okay, Voice, so you are the .01% of the Central California poulace that at least knows someone in the military. Still, the fact is that I am giving you analysis on how “a new direction in Iraq” should be executed and you want to give me shit over the fact that Democrats wanted us out of the cities. Ask your friends that have been or have children in Iraq and they will agree with me.

    Clinton was an abject failure as a president. HE is pissed that all anyone will remember about William Jefferson Blythe Clinton is that he got caught with his Jimmy Carter getting Hillary’d by Monica resulting in some of Bill’s CSI contaiminating the evidence.

    Answer my charge: why is it thaat now that Bill Clinton is out of office he is suddenly doing some good but when he was the most powerful man in the world he couldn’t get anything done and what he claims he did were planks of the Contract FOR America? And done give me that lame ass “Republicans were in control” shit.

  18. Monica Lewinski
    September 25, 2006 at 9:05 pm

    Please please please leave my billy bubba alone! He is a dear sweet man, and I still love him! It hurts me to see him attacked! If anyone will attack him it will be me! (no pun intended) So please leave Billy Bubba alone! He has a bad heart and needs his rest! maybe a glass of red wine and a cigar! (no pun intended)
    If you see him…tell him I still love him, and that I bought a new blue dress!

  19. Vince Foster
    September 25, 2006 at 9:08 pm

    Bill,
    You wont get away with it! You & I both know what happened! So fess up pal, and tell them all you pulled the trigger or I will haunt you!

  20. Ron Brown
    September 25, 2006 at 9:10 pm

    Hey Vince!
    What about me? How do you get a gunshot wound to the head in a plane crash…Bill, fess up pal! Set the record straight!

  21. Mary Mahoney
    September 25, 2006 at 9:13 pm

    Hey Bill!
    I bet you thinks it’s funny I was shot in a coffee shop just days before I was going public with my story about you sexually harassing me. Well I dont think it’s funny at all! You Pervert!

  22. Russian and Chinese military
    September 25, 2006 at 9:17 pm

    Hey Bill!
    Thanks for the compuerts! Hope it doesn’t bite ya in the butt! If so we have your back…but leave hillary at home!

  23. Bill O'Reilly
    September 25, 2006 at 9:25 pm

    Hey gang! be sure to get my new book at:

    http://www.newsmax.com/a/oreilly

    Join the winning side before its too late!

    see ya on TV & radio!

  24. Rich from Paso
    September 25, 2006 at 10:04 pm

    Someone is having lots of fun by making blogspot accounts. Very funny 🙂

  25. moquiti
    September 25, 2006 at 11:30 pm

    Dave, you have control over who can post on your blog.

    May I suggest you ban selfish little prix like Jerry, who neither have lives, nor the ability to contribute to the thread in any meaningful way, without twisting it to appease his pet psychosis: the blue dress.

  26. the voice of reason
    September 26, 2006 at 12:27 am

    Rich

    Bill Clinton was “an abject failure as a President”
    -Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History
    -Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus
    -Paying Off the National Debt
    -Lowest Crime Rates in a Generation
    -Lowest Percentage of Americans on Welfare in 35 Years
    -Teen Births Down to the Lowest Rate on Record

    I could go on and on but you get the point. You may not like Clinton, but there’s no way you can call him an abject failure. Rich, before you start hammering me about his terrorism record – READ CLARKES BOOK. Its all there.

  27. Rich from Paso
    September 26, 2006 at 4:34 pm

    Voce,

    Have you read CLARKE’S BOOK? I’m thinking that you haven’t. Prove me wrong. I will read the book, and Buzz Paterson’s book as well, then I will commence to beat you over the head with it as I dispell your pathetic arguements.

    Have you read Gary Aldrich’s “Unlimited Access”? It was all in there back in 1994 on how Clinton didn’t care at all about security of classified information or who had it or what they did with it.

    All of your points were brought about by Republicans in Congress. Clinton doesn’t get credit for it because he put his scribble on hte bill.

  28. Dave Congalton
    September 26, 2006 at 7:48 pm

    We’re all adults here, some more than others obviously, so it’s my preference not to censor or delete items. When certain bloggers go on a silly streak, it just undermines the credibility of their arguments.

    one more reason why I respect S.M. Bill.

  29. Anonymous
    September 26, 2006 at 8:17 pm

    THIS IS NOT TO BE MISSED…WANT TO SEE SOME LIES?? CONNECT TO THIS URL AND WATCH!

    http://newsbusters.org/media/2004-11-18-ABCPrimetime.wmv

  30. Rich from Paso
    September 26, 2006 at 9:26 pm

    Here are the differences between Clinton and Bush.

    Clinton: Self-absorbed. Takes credit for the work of others. Blames other people for his failure (“No president had to suffer what I had to with Ken Starr). When it comes to him taking blame for his failures, he says “I failed” but then proceeds to take other down with him (“I tried and failed; they had eight months to try and they did nothing”). Rarely praises in public. Very sensitive to his image. Takes his poll numbrs very serious because he feels that approval polls are a reflection of him as a person. Identifies his self-worth through his poll numbers and his “legacy” as a president and as a person.

    Bush: Uses his MBA trained management style. Praises in public (Giving Tenant the Freedom Award even though he botched Iraq WMD data and 9-11; “Brownie is doing a good job”), quietly punishes people in private. Believes in deligating authority, but does try to deligate his responsibility. That is why he does not throw Rumsfeld or Rice under the bus over Iraq and let Powell go without any big media circus. Accepts criticism because even he knows that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer; a humble man. Does not take personal credit for the work of others. Says “we” in successes and failures. Does not feel the need to say “I” in terms of failures because he knows that execution is a team effort, but takes responsibiltiy for failures of policies he creates (social security reform was all Bush). Able to ward off taking criticism personally because he knows who he is and why he does what he does. That is also the reason why poll numbers do not personally affect him. He is concerned about his low poll numbers in terms of how it affects the Republican “team”. Also why he rarely vetoes bills because he doesn’t want to hurt the team but vetoing a bill over one provision of 20, unless it is something that goes to his core beliefs (stem-cell research).

  31. JerryDinAZ
    September 27, 2006 at 2:42 pm

    PSSST? HEY! YOU LIBERALS! JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ITS OK TO LAUGH…EVEN SMILE FROM TIME TO TIME!
    IF YOU TAKE YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY YOU WILL BECOME A VERY DREARY AND NEGATIVE GROUP OF OLD HIPPIES!
    SMILE A LIL…BELLY LAUGH! IT RELEASES ENDORPHINS AND MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD…YOU MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO PUT DOWN THE BONG FOR A WHILE.

  32. Anonymous
    September 27, 2006 at 10:39 pm

    Hey Jerry, did a palet of paper fall and your head when you where a paper salesman. Something sure has askew up there.

  33. the voice of reason
    September 28, 2006 at 1:34 pm

    psst, hey, jerry. Its ok not to be such a narrowminded jerk all the time. Look at the beauty of the world. Walk on the beach, it feeds you negative ions. You may even be able to put down your bible and prozac for a while.

  34. JerryDinAZ
    September 28, 2006 at 2:57 pm

    AS THE LIBERAL LEFTIST DEMOCANTS SLIP MORE AND MORE IN THE POLLS, AND BUSH AND THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES CONTINUE TO GROW , THE TYPICAL SPOILED BRAT DEMOCANT WILL UP THE ATTACKS ON THE VOICES OF REASON. ATTACK AWAY KIDS! IT ONLY SHOWS JUST HOW DESPERATE YOU ARE…LIKE THE LIBERAL LEFTIST RAGS THAT PUBLISH NATIONAL SECURITY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AND THEN INVITES 3 RETIRED MILITARY OFFICERS AND ONLY PUBLICIZE THE POINTS THAT FEED THE “MOVEON” AGENDA.
    THIS IS GONNA GET REALLY GOOD AS WE GET CLOSER TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
    I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER 9TH, AND THE EXCUSES THE DEMOCANTS WILL SPEW ON THE ROAD TO 2008. SO TYPICAL, SO FUNNY! IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE NATION WILL NEVER SUPPORT A DEMOCANT AGAIN! WITNESSING THE DEATH OF A PARTY IS AN HONOR.
    BTW RICH…AS FOR THE BIRD…SUSHI CROW WOULD BE BEST FOR THE LIBS!

  35. Anonymous
    September 28, 2006 at 3:03 pm

    It seems that the excuses are all ready gearing up with all this election machine baloney! Once again, Jerry is right, and Jerry is correct!

  36. Rich from Paso
    September 28, 2006 at 7:45 pm

    Jerry, I heard that Tom Daschle enjoyed Pidgeon Tar Tar after he got his ass kicked in ’02.

  37. slo travis
    October 1, 2006 at 4:47 am

    Dave, why exactly do you repect Santa Maria Bill? The dude is a liar. And the dude thinks that buildings may have been blown up by our government. Dude yells at people on the radio. No one listens or calls in when Santa Maria Bill is on, because I called, got right in, and was the first caller taken.

    I love how everyone belives Bill Clinton that has never told a truth. He can’t even be truthful to a grand jury, under oath. He was to answer 1/2 of the questions about current news, 1/2 about his global legacy writing campaign. Do you think he is not lying about OBL?

    Do you believe him when in his book, My Lie, he did not mention OBL until the 400th boring page? I thought he was obsessed?

    Does it bother you that Sandy Burger was “Sloppy” when he stuffed documents down his pants and left the building? DO you do that when you go to the library? What happens when they catch you? You go to jail. What would you say if Rice or Rove did it?

    Does it bother you that he claims to not be critical of Bush, when he has been very critical of this administration here and abroad?

    Does it bother you that Bush is asked these types of questions all of the time by David Gregory and others, and he is able to keep his cool and answer the questions that are really political statements written for these dumbassed reporters by some DNC official?

    Does it bother you that they drive by media always reports things exactly the same way, wording and everything? Gravitas? Sloppy? No handshake?

    Really, there are so many things I could write, but I have a life and do not have time to write a book for you Dave. Take care.

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