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The Dalidio Ranch

Well, I don’t know how much money Vic Montgomery is charging the Dalidio family, but he seems to be worth every dime. If you caught Saturday’s Trib, you’ve seen the drawings for the new “Dalidio Ranch” project splashed across A-1.

Montgomery has clearly resdesigned the project — scaling down the commercial space, throwing in a couple organic farming fields, extending the Bob Jones Trail, adding space for housing and even a Farmers’ Market. The name change is a nice touch.

But the killer move was the decision to make a pre-emptive strike and put the issue on the November ballot for the entire county to decide, something I’ve been advocating for months. I believe the people outside San Luis Obispo want this project and will vote for it overwhelmingly if given the chance. I think this ballot move has caught opponents off guard and they’re stumbling to respond.

Of course, the one red flag is traffic. There’s no Prado Road overpass being proposed this time. How on earth is all the traffic supposed to navigate Los Osos Valley Road and Madonna Road? I support the project, but I see traffic as being a nightmare for the local neighborhood.

We’ll take up this issue Monday at 5:05 and see what you think.

Also, Kristin Smart investigator Dennis Mahon joins us Wednesday at 5:05 to update us on the investigation. Tune in. Call in.

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  1. Larry from Santa Margarita
    March 6, 2006 at 9:03 am

    I want my shopping! I will definitely vote for this project if it’s put on the ballot. The people of SLO town do not speak for the county!

  2. Bob from San Luis
    March 6, 2006 at 4:59 pm

    Okay Dave, Larry from Santa Margarita has voiced what apparently many in SLO county feel: Damn those elitist Obispoians; I want to buy my crap! No real discussion about the impacts of traffic, and the included water treatment on site is supposed to mitigate any impacts on the existing SLO water treatment facilities. What about the increase in water demands? There will be at least a 10 fold increase for the water this project will demand; where does that come from? I will be very curious how the planning department rates this “new” version, and if the board of supervisors actually weighs any of the planning recommendations. It seems as if everyone is bending over backwards to somehow make this project a reality with little or no regard for the total overall impacts that cannot be undone once this behemoth is built. But we at least have some trees around the parking lots. Great.

  3. Brett
    March 7, 2006 at 12:52 am

    Dave, you like many others believe you can just develop all over this county without any effect on the character of the area. Hell, maybe you don’t give a damn. For all those folks who think you can have it all without any negatives I suggest you spend a little time in the Sacramento area– Folsom, El Dorado Hills, etc. They have it all, of course they don’t have any sense of place but what does that matter. Instead of moving to Nipomo I’d suggest you’d feel much more at home in Sacramento. Believe me they could use a decent local talk show.

  4. lol the internet ppl are funny
    March 7, 2006 at 10:35 pm

    i would rather have a target then an empty lot or a snail sanctuary or whatever else makes this town have a sense of “place.” lol

    my fellow san luis “obispoians” lend me your ears; we are not all middle aged ex-hippies looking for a walk in a freaking forest. The younger generations have needs that transcend wether or not traffic sucks.

  5. Brett
    March 8, 2006 at 12:51 am

    ” would rather have a target then an empty lot or a snail sanctuary or whatever else makes this town have a sense of “place.” lol”

    I heard this type of statement a couple of times by callers. My question is why would you want to live here if there are so many other communities throughout California that have every store and shopping opportunity available 2x’s over?.

  6. Jim Ragan
    March 8, 2006 at 2:17 am

    I’m a Cambrian. I welcome the vote. I’ll vote NO just because the projected stores are so lame. If Macy’s comes back in, I’ll vote YES.

  7. lol the internet ppl are funny
    March 8, 2006 at 10:17 pm

    “I heard this type of statement a couple of times by callers. My question is why would you want to live here if there are so many other communities throughout California that have every store and shopping opportunity available 2x’s over?.”

    Same reason that people who didnt vote for bush wont move to canada.

    I am a citizen here as much as anyone and so I can mold this place as much as my one vote can. 😉

  8. Anonymous
    March 8, 2006 at 11:14 pm

    I guess it just amazes me that folks would want to turn this community into a concreted, sterile, car filled, heartless place. If folks who think that this development is the panacea of all that is right in the world would spend a week in the Los Angeles area or the Bay Area I think they’d come back with a new sense of what the Central Coast has to offer. Hasn’t anyone heard of the internet?. You can buy anything and have it delivered to your door.

    It really saddens me to see this community (which I was born and raised in) turn into every other miserable urban environment found throughout California. We are quite a stupid bunch. Brett

  9. lol the internet ppl are funny
    March 9, 2006 at 12:51 am

    listen Brett you cant deny the amazing deals and unlimited supply of heartfelt holiday cards Target has to offer. Not to mention their great book section for both non fiction and fiction alike. I propose we convert the entirety of the Dalidio Ranch into a Target Fun Land, and itll be just solid concrete, with bunkers. We will make sure no one paints anything, that way itll all be grey. Just like LA.

  10. CHUNK NORRIS
    March 9, 2006 at 12:59 am

    alright… this whole arguement is rediculus. Why don’t we build a shopping centre? because it will turn SLO into LA? why wouldn’t it turn it into San Fransico or Santa Barbara? Both San Fransico and Santa Barbara have a wonderful sence of community and are relativly safe. I For one, I would like to one day own a home here in San Luis, and if this shopping centre lowers the median price of homes, I would gladly vote for it to be built. You are going to have a hard time fighting urban sprawl guys, oh an I’ve lived in Sacramento and North Dakota, so i know what both sides of urban sprawl look like… gimme a break elitists

  11. Anonymous
    March 9, 2006 at 1:02 am

    chuck norris rocks, you are right, and i also agree with that “lol internet” person 🙂

    i can’t wait to vote yes!!!!!

  12. Anonymous
    March 10, 2006 at 1:26 am

    “For one, I would like to one day own a home here in San Luis, and if this shopping centre lowers the median price of homes, I would gladly vote for it to be built.”

    I hope you’re joking?. Right?. Interesting enough economic theory that applies to trade actually also applies to why people move here- and drive up housing prices. Unfortunately economic theory would suggests that people will continue to move to the area until this area becomes just a undesirable as theirs. On a positive note with projects such as the “Dalidio” Ranch we’re well on are way. I’m wondering if the community will start to see urban flight as the negative effects of development began to erode the character of the community and the quality of life. Brett

  13. Bob from San Luis
    March 13, 2006 at 6:44 am

    Okay so now more of the story has unfolded, after listening to Dave Cox on Dave’s show,I understand that the project is being lined up to voted on. Does this mean that any planning department input is meaningless? Is the project to be voted on without any input from anyone in county government? Somehow this doesn’t seem quite right; if there are planning considerations that would merit specific conditions being met before approval, does having the county residents voting on the project mean that there will be absolutely NO input from any regulatory agencies? How does that make good planning? My question for all residents in the unincorporated areas is: If a development is planned for your area and the developer decides that “messing” around with the planning department or even the Board of Supervisors is too much of a “hassle”, they can just have their development put up for a vote of all the residents of the county, and your voice will be drowned out; is that what we really want to set as a precedent for our county?

  14. JerryDinAZ
    March 13, 2006 at 8:21 pm

    Brett said “the character of the area”…well in reality the character of the area is:
    1) Broke
    2) No new sources of sales tax
    3) spending like a spoiled child

    pave it pal! if you dont want to NEED tax money…slow down your county and city governments! I doubt that will go anywhere! lol

  15. Anonymous
    March 14, 2006 at 2:21 am

    Jerry, how is Arizona?. I’ll think about you when it’s like 120 degrees. I thought you reached nirvana in Arizona with the rest of the like minded souls seeking refuge in a Conservative state. You should feel like you are in heaven on Earth.

    Uh, now if there is only Y amount of income available in the County for buying goods and services plus savings how can you generate more per capita sales tax revenue by just building more and more retail projects without taking it from some other community– essentially screwing them out of sales tax. Believe me Jerry other’s will start to figure that out as well and will realize that they are hurting their own community by shopping elsewhere.

    Heck using the Conservative way of convoluted thinking the best way to reduce government would be to reduce the amount of sales taxes they receive. Therefore you should be against all retail development. Brett

  16. Ted in Grover Beach
    March 14, 2006 at 4:07 am

    I just came up from LA. Wall-to-wall malls. Big box stores. Chain restaurants. That’s all you see on the 101 these days.

    Yet these places would not be successful if people didn’t support them. There are larger cultural issues at stake here. Our habits have changed. Our priorities are different. “Brett” seems to want us to stay trapped in the past.

    I say move forward slowly, cautiously, and try to learn from the mistakes of other cities. Don’t overdevelop. Keep shopping centralized. Provide infrastructure.

  17. Anonymous
    March 16, 2006 at 6:31 am

    You people are full of crap to say the least! You all live in your stuipid tract home here in SLO or wherever. Did you know that you changed the character of the area by supporting the developer? How many can say they are Chumash? WHat about 2, 3 4, ot 5th generation? Yet, you all want to tell the people behind you to not develop. The Copelands bankrolled the puppet Save SLO so they could sell they cruddy SLO builings to trashy companies that blast rock and roll music as young people shop and but $100 dollar jeans in Ambercrombie and Fitch or Banana Republic.

    My advice is, Save SLO, to buy the fing property or shut the f up! Sell your fing houses, buy the property, and grow pot on the land until the liberal government takes the land from you to increase it’s tax base, as your precious Ruth Ginsberg recently supported back east.

    They you can have your pot and smoke it too.

  18. Bob from San Luis
    March 19, 2006 at 4:08 am

    anonymous: You don’t have to be so rude. If you have a valid point, make it without emotion, back it with some facts, and be respectful. This is a community blog, you shouldn’t be nasty; it does not add to the conversation, and your manner of writing makes you seem uncouth and immature. Oh, have a nice day, too.

  19. REDLEG
    October 19, 2006 at 9:43 am

    After listening to arguments put forward by both sides I ahve decided to vote in favor of Prop. J. It is apparent to me that the anti J proponents are nothing more than paid shills of local developers who own this town (you know who I mean), protectionist downtown merchants(I guess you got yours and to hell with everyone else). They propagate misinformation, they play on citizens fears (WAL-MART?! Yeah, right! When pigs fly!), and all the while make you believe that they have your best interest at heart(Gee, kind of like the current administration).
    And for those who believe that the people of SLO county don’t a say in this matter…horse bicuits! The land is county land, hence it is a county matter. You argument is akin to California telling Alaska not to vote in the national election because the votes of the citizens of Alaska may swing election in a direction that is not in the self interest of California.
    In the matter of the Prado overpass. Those individuals who say the overpass is not needed is proof that SLO does have a serious drug problem. That, and the fact that without it you ensure that there is plenty of traffic guaranteed to flow into the downtown area. You had better get now while it’s still cheap. If not you’re going tobe paying for it out the nose. Bonds or tax increase. Which will it be? Or do you expect the county to foot the bill? I figure that if you say I can’t, shouldn’t,or don’t have the right to vote on this county matter; then don’t even think about asking us (the county) to fund the overpass.
    Speaking of county. I hear the AG city counsel has decided to get involved in this matter and has taken an anti Prop. J position (I guess as long as you’re against Prop. J you can have an opinion; otherwise, shut up.). Personally I think either AG doesn’t want the competition or WAL-MART greased their palms (I believe the latter is the case.).
    SLO you wailed, nashed your teeth, and cried bloody murder when HOME DEPOT and COSTCO came to town. It was going to be the end of SLO as we know it. Guess what. The world hasn’t come to an end and SLO is making a tidy sum in sales tax revenue fromthese two businesses.
    How about that PRIME farmland that is being buried under asphalt and concrete. Oh, yeah! An auto dealership. Now that is going to add to the beauty and charm that is SLO. Then there is that city approved vertical growth of downtown. While your at it why don’t you wall it off, put a roof on it, and call it the SAN LUIS OBISPO MILLS MALL (or some hokey name like that). Which raises another issue. I understand the the further development of downtown will include some sort of housing. I believe it is hoped that it would encourage people who work downtown to live downtown. Yeah, right! With real estate prices being what they are I think that idea is laughable. If anything, I bet investors will come in buy them and rent them out like time shares. Oh, won’t that be wonderful!
    SLO, contrary to what your mommy tells you, your not special. Your just like any other town going through its growth pains.

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